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post #1531 of 5242
11/17/08 at 4:32pm
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Originally Posted by baddgsx View Post

Kevins Controlcal software was being buggy when doing my Calibration. With the PS3 as my bluray player , using the software it showed that i was clipping white at any contrast setting. But not using the software we can easily see that my PS3 did not clip white. Very weird!!!


I have a copy of controlcal and still am waiting for my usb to serial adapter. Once i get that ill check out what changes he exactly made. I might turn the sharpness up since i didnt notice edge enhancement by my eye until it was at -8 , and Kevin likes it at -13.

I would tend to agree with Kevin, about his setting for sharpness in non ISF mode. I will check ISF mode tonight and see if I can raise sharpness from -15 to -13.

As far as "clipping the white" . I am sure Turbe can explain what is happening better than I can. However my take on this is, when you enter ISF mode everything changes. And yes I can understand why Kevin would have problems with luminance in ISF mode. But I have never seen a problem because of using controlcal software. Also the problem with closing ISF mode (closing controlcal), you would not be able to use the ISF modes to calibrate for these modes. Unless Kevin has found a different way to access ISF modes.

So the question is, do you have a good calibration in ISF mode. How did Kevin over come the problem in ISF mode, using your PS3 ?
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post #1532 of 5242
11/17/08 at 4:54pm
It seems that there is a problem with the Harmony remotes and the 141.
What the problem is, is that if you use any other HDMI port than port 5 in your 141 your Harmony probably will freeze up. i.e, if you have one input device going to your 141 using HDMI input port 5, and a different device going to HDMI input port 6, and have your Harmony remote programed to switch your 141 to port 6 (or higher) the Harmony locks up.
There is a work around for this problem. Open Harmony's web page for your account, Add new command , type in HDMI 6 (or what ever HDMI port you are using), when you have your Harmony remote plugged into your USB on your computer, point your 141 remote at your Harmony remote and push the button 6 under input section (or whatever port you are using) then just follow Harmony's instructions from your Harmony web update page.
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post #1533 of 5242
11/17/08 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by baddgsx View Post

Kevins Controlcal software was being buggy when doing my Calibration. With the PS3 as my bluray player , using the software it showed that i was clipping white at any contrast setting. But not using the software we can easily see that my PS3 did not clip white. Very weird!!!

Did you mean to post Controlcal? ControlCAL is used to set the Controls and doesn't communicate with meters. Do you mean the calibration software he uses that works with his Minolta CS-200?

On your PS3, was Super White On or Off?
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post #1534 of 5242
11/17/08 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by av.pallino View Post

Are these software differences enhancements to core processing algorithms or what is exposed through the GUI.

If it's a GUI enhancement, getting into the service menu should allow you to get the exact results.

As for video processing. These are usually programmed into the chip and unless the video processing chips are different we'll get the same results. I doubt Pioneer used a different video processing chip on the 141. It's more likely the 141 is their higher margin product (i.e. less cost same to higher price) with some marketing to make it more palatable. The slightly thinner profile is also a nice feature.

I also like the downward facing connectors on the 141.

Two question, how do you get into service mode on a 141? And once in service mode what settings would you change?
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post #1535 of 5242
11/17/08 at 7:59pm
Finally got my 141 to replace a string of buzzing 151's. Well, it buzzes too, but it's not as bad and I decided I can live with it since this is really the set I needed (no speakers or stand).

Now, a couple of questions (I tried searching this thread but didn't find much).

First of all, I tried entering my serial number at the special website http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/portal/site/EC/ but it keeps telling me my serial is invalid. I'm definitely entering it correctly. I noticed some were having trouble with this a couple of months ago, but no mention of the problem since. Do I just need to call Pioneer tomorrow?

Secondly, I understand that the D-Nice settings I was using on my 151 are not valid for this set. Can anyone point me towards some good settings to use until I can arrange for UMR to calibrate the set? I'm willing to purchase ControlCAL if I need to, I already have an RS-232 cable hooked up to it.

Anything else I need to know about this set coming from having a 151 for several months?

Thanks.
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post #1536 of 5242
11/17/08 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

Can anyone point me towards some good settings to use until I can arrange for UMR to calibrate the set?

Click HERE

Congratulations on your purchase..
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post #1537 of 5242
11/17/08 at 8:38pm
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

vancouver, I'm working on getting Vancouver, BC covered by another Calibrator.. he just contacted me in regards to ControlCAL... Now, I need to find that other Vancouver, BC 9G owner...

You still want a Professional Calibration, correct?

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Originally Posted by HiDef Bob View Post

I also talked face to face to a Professional ISF Calibrator ...

For anyone interested in having a professional ISF calibration done in the Greater Vancouver area I can give you the name of a highly qualified calibrator who has many years of experience. He spent many years doing calibrations for a couple of high end video dealers before forming his own company. His pro equipment has ControlCal built in. He explained to me what exactly what he does and showed me the equipment he uses. He is a true professional calibrator who comes with the highest recommendation from dealers he has worked with. Send me a PM.

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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

The last sentence is incorrect. However, I just spoke to him on the telephone (even talked about your conversation) and I will be adding him to the list of ControlCAL Calibrators..


Richard Stokes at Finely Tuned (Vancouver BC Canada) now has ControlCAL and all the Pioneer Display Profiles..

See this LIST for his Contact Info....

Lee Gallagher at Advanced Audio Visual (Phoenix Arizona) and Frank Kondrot at Day 1 Services (Laguna Hills California) were also recently added.
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post #1538 of 5242
11/17/08 at 9:29pm
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

Finally got my 141 to replace a string of buzzing 151's. Well, it buzzes too, but it's not as bad and I decided I can live with it since this is really the set I needed (no speakers or stand).

Now, a couple of questions (I tried searching this thread but didn't find much).

First of all, I tried entering my serial number at the special website http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/portal/site/EC/ but it keeps telling me my serial is invalid. I'm definitely entering it correctly. I noticed some were having trouble with this a couple of months ago, but no mention of the problem since. Do I just need to call Pioneer tomorrow?

Secondly, I understand that the D-Nice settings I was using on my 151 are not valid for this set. Can anyone point me towards some good settings to use until I can arrange for UMR to calibrate the set? I'm willing to purchase ControlCAL if I need to, I already have an RS-232 cable hooked up to it.

Anything else I need to know about this set coming from having a 151 for several months?

Thanks.

With your serial #, look for it in the black box that came with your 141. Its a white sticker on the bottom of the black plaque. 12 numbers and letters long.

Also I will be updating my ISF night settings for mt 141 by weekend, and they will be posted on the link that Turbe gave you.
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post #1539 of 5242
11/17/08 at 9:33pm
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Richard Stokes at Finely Tuned (Vancouver BC Canada) now has ControlCAL and all the Pioneer Display Profiles..

See this LIST for his Contact Info....

Lee Gallagher at Advanced Audio Visual (Phoenix Arizona) and Frank Kondrot at Day 1 Services (Laguna Hills California) were also recently added.

Hay turbe, I see Doug Weil is on your list, he used to do my calibrations before I started down the calibration road. Hes a good guy.
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post #1540 of 5242
11/17/08 at 9:39pm
What was the last display he calibrated for you (and how long ago)?

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post #1541 of 5242
11/17/08 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

With your serial #, look for it in the black box that came with your 141. Its a white sticker on the bottom of the black plaque. 12 numbers and letters long.

Yes I checked and double checked it several times, it just wouldn't take it. The S/N is listed without spaces, do I need to put spaces or dashes in for it to accept it? I have a Sep 2008 manufacture date, btw.
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post #1542 of 5242
11/18/08 at 12:49am
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

Finally got my 141 to replace a string of buzzing 151's. Well, it buzzes too, but it's not as bad and I decided I can live with it since this is really the set I needed (no speakers or stand).

Now, a couple of questions (I tried searching this thread but didn't find much).

First of all, I tried entering my serial number at the special website http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/portal/site/EC/ but it keeps telling me my serial is invalid. I'm definitely entering it correctly. I noticed some were having trouble with this a couple of months ago, but no mention of the problem since. Do I just need to call Pioneer tomorrow?

Secondly, I understand that the D-Nice settings I was using on my 151 are not valid for this set. Can anyone point me towards some good settings to use until I can arrange for UMR to calibrate the set? I'm willing to purchase ControlCAL if I need to, I already have an RS-232 cable hooked up to it.

Anything else I need to know about this set coming from having a 151 for several months?

Thanks.

Good luck with any complaint made to Pioneer about this problem.I called them and just got some BS about the website being very new and to be patient.I also emailed them and got a reply that "They were having their engineers looking into the problem and would advise me when they have a solution".
That was about 2 months ago..what a joke
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post #1543 of 5242
11/18/08 at 3:17am
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Originally Posted by turbe View Post

Did you mean to post Controlcal? ControlCAL is used to set the Controls and doesn't communicate with meters. Do you mean the calibration software he uses that works with his Minolta CS-200?

On your PS3, was Super White On or Off?

Yes , Super White was On. When using the controlcal software to change the settings in the TV the whites were clipped. As soon as u saved ur settings and got out of controlcal completely u can clearly see that with the same settings white was not being clipped.
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post #1544 of 5242
11/18/08 at 5:51am
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

First of all, I tried entering my serial number at the special website http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/portal/site/EC/ but it keeps telling me my serial is invalid. I'm definitely entering it correctly. I noticed some were having trouble with this a couple of months ago, but no mention of the problem since. Do I just need to call Pioneer tomorrow?

Thanks.

Just double-checked, and it worked for me. However, make sure you enter the letters in uppercase... Letters in lowercase give me the invalid serial number message.

Dan.
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post #1545 of 5242
11/18/08 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by baddgsx View Post

Yes , Super White was On. When using the controlcal software to change the settings in the TV the whites were clipped. As soon as u saved ur settings and got out of controlcal completely u can clearly see that with the same settings white was not being clipped.

After the initial setup of your ISF modes (after you hit save and the program closes), your panel will switch back to whatever A/V mode you were in prior to calibration.
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post #1546 of 5242
11/18/08 at 6:42am
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Originally Posted by info_dan View Post

Just double-checked, and it worked for me. However, make sure you enter the letters in uppercase... Letters in lowercase give me the invalid serial number message.

Dan.

I've tried both. So basically it sounds like I just don't get access to this site? What a crock. My Serial number is formatted (L is for Letter) LLLL######LL.
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post #1547 of 5242
11/18/08 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

After the initial setup of your ISF modes (after you hit save and the program closes), your panel will switch back to whatever A/V mode you were in prior to calibration.

Yup, that's what I was thinking too.

ControlCal should have zero impact on white crush since it serves as nothing more than a means to enter picture quality values.
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post #1548 of 5242
11/18/08 at 7:31am
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Two question, how do you get into service mode on a 141? And once in service mode what settings would you change?

Exactly! You would get into service mode on the 151. The 141 has a different GUI implementation. Makes it possible to do via the GUI what you would need to enter service mode otherwise for. Service menu is 'non GUI' user menu is 'GUI'. What you expose through the user menu is what is different. The core products are the same if they use the same processing in the end.

Example: I can manually write SQL to get data from a database or use a graphical tool that allows me to create a query in a more user friendly way. Either way, if the database is the same I will end up with the same results. Of course, you'll need a more skilled person to go the manual route....
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post #1549 of 5242
11/18/08 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

I've tried both. So basically it sounds like I just don't get access to this site? What a crock. My Serial number is formatted (L is for Letter) LLLL######LL.

You need to remove the last two letters of your serial number.
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post #1550 of 5242
11/18/08 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

You need to remove the last two letters of your serial number.

Didn't work...
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post #1551 of 5242
11/18/08 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

Didn't work...

Then you need to call Pioneer. Others have accessed the site without issues.
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post #1552 of 5242
11/18/08 at 9:01am
Just got new 141 it worked fine for one day. Then it just went dead and the power light flashes red. Have others had this problem and what did they do. Do i need a another 141.
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post #1553 of 5242
11/18/08 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Then you need to call Pioneer. Others have accessed the site without issues.

Just called them, said they're still having issues with the site, no ETA on a fix.

Brilliant.

Anyone want to tell me what I'm missing out on? Important? Not?
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post #1554 of 5242
11/18/08 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Then you need to call Pioneer. Others have accessed the site without issues.

Pioneer is no help...I called them several times and all they were able to tell me was that my serial number was valid.
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post #1555 of 5242
11/18/08 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by MrRobusto View Post

Pioneer is no help...I called them several times and all they were able to tell me was that my serial number was valid.

I assume you're also still unable to access the site?
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post #1556 of 5242
11/18/08 at 10:15am
That's correct...I tried when my set was delivered in September, and have received nothing but BS from Pioneer whenever I called or emailed their support.
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post #1557 of 5242
11/18/08 at 10:29am
I guess it's safe to assume that I will not be able to access it any time soon, if ever, then. I'd feel better about it if it's just fluff and not something that has value.
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post #1558 of 5242
11/18/08 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

Just called them, said they're still having issues with the site, no ETA on a fix.

Brilliant.

Anyone want to tell me what I'm missing out on? Important? Not?

Would you like an oar? I'm in the same boat! +1...I would like to know what we're missing out on also. If anything.
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post #1559 of 5242
11/18/08 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

I guess it's safe to assume that I will not be able to access it any time soon, if ever, then. I'd feel better about it if it's just fluff and not something that has value.

Could the problems have anything to do with browser being used or particular browser settings? There are still web sites out there that don't work well with some browsers; is Pioneer's one of them?
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post #1560 of 5242
11/18/08 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by JazzGuyy View Post

Could the problems have anything to do with browser being used or particular browser settings? There are still web sites out there that don't work well with some browsers; is Pioneer's one of them?

Good idea, but nope. Just tried IE, I had been using Firefox. Still no dice, either with the last two letters or not (all uppercase otherwise). Tried on two different computers as well, although I haven't tried it on a different network/router. I'll have to try it at work tomorrow (but not holding my breath).
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