Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 54

Mark, 141's are aged as part of the QC process. Some say 200 hrs, but I was told 100 hrs.

-Robert

Some say this, but then why did my plasma unit work for about 3hours before getting the blank screen with a flashing red power light and never be able to turn on again? I think this is a bit of lore that sellers are saying but is not put in writing any where by pioneer.

100 hours is correct

Unless the PANEL itself is aged and not the rest of the system. With some automobiles the engine is broken-in, but not the transmission.

But you do have a very good point. It would be nice if the WHOLE SYSTEM is aged for sure.

I'll bet she never went all the way to the "needed" level.

There seem to be many Fujitsu owners that have switched to Kuroor are still thinking about it. As I'm still in the thinking stage, I look forward to hearing your comments on the comparison.

Ken, maybe because I have really gone off the deep end with my ISF calibrations, and getting all the numbers for everything to come out to 99% I have forgotten that yes the numbers are a good thing, but are Eyes only see really world.
I used to set my sharpness at about -9, however I now set my sharpness to -15, and as you say I am looking at my test patterns. Also I use 3DYC: 2, and maybe that is why my test patterns tell me to use -15.

I believe I have found the sweet spot for my H/L RGB, gray scale, luminance and gamma. However the problem now comes down to real world viewing and getting the CMS right for my Eyes and also getting the numbers right. The funny thing is that when you start moving the CMS settings, by just a small amount and you get the numbers right, but for really world and my Eyes the picture is off. Maybe a very small amount in 80%IRE with the very slightest pink tone but still its off for my eyes.

Peter.

Congrats. You will be having a lot of fun.

Now I will really have to make sure of my ISF calibrations are right when I post them, and maybe you will not give me a "double secret probation" for some time to come.

Peter.

Quick question since I surprisingly couldn't find it here, what does the FULL2 mode do differently than FULL1 (seems to only appear for 1080i/p signals)? I only had FULL on the 151FD the 141FD replaced.

What is the best port to use to connect a computer to the 141.

The Canadian Pioneer rep I talked to directly here in Canada told me 200 hours.

I ran the break-in disc over a period of a month for 150 hours anyway. So I have 250 or 350 hours break-in time on my set.

Regarding ringing of test patterns, could it be because they have dense hard edges where real world material usually are softer?

Depends a lot on your computer, your setup and your needs....

1) Do you want the audio of the computer as well, or just the picture?
2) If you want audio, what is your receiver?
3) What are the outputs available on your computer?
4) Are we talking a desktop permanently connected, or a laptop you will plug/unplug?
5) Do you have a blu-ray drive in your computer and want to use it as a blu-ray player?

In my case, my preferences for connection would be as follows:
Best for me: HDMI connection to my SC-07 receiver, then single HDMI connection from receiver to 141 for all my sources.
Second best: Digital audio to receiver, DVI to display
Third best: Digital audio to receiver, VGA to monitor.
Worst: Composite connection

I have a computer permanently connected to the display, but since it does not have an HDMI out and the DVI out seems too old to be compatible with the 141 in the high resolution, I had to connect it through VGA.

I also just got a new laptop with an HDMI out, so I tried the HDMI to my receiver, I see a VERY nice picture, but no sound! It's an HP Pavilion (dv7-1123ca) with an IDT audio solution, and I see a lot of people had this problem, but none of the solutions worked for me, so I'll probably be trying HP support today .

Dan.

Top of my head says it works out to around $15 per day

I'm drooling as we speak

Aside from the buzzing I really love my 141. Even my wife is getting into the numerous adjustments available. It is amazing how picture quality varies on broadcast TV. My wife actually plays with the gamma and color temp alot depending on what show is on. I noticed yesterday while watching hockey that the color temp changed mid telecast. It suddenly became to yellow so I just upped the color temp of the display to compensate and it worked great

A few quirks that I noticed with the 141 (possibly all Pioneer models). Note that I have extremely sensitive eyes and OCD

1 - The blue LED actually causes a mini flashlight effect in the bottom left corner of the glass. Obviously the edge of the glass is exposed to stray light from the LED inside the panel. It can only be seen well when the panel shuts all pixels off after 30sec. Pioneer might want to fix that when they come out with ECC.

2 - Residual charge type image retention happens fairly easy with this panel. I only ever see it when there is zero ambient light.

3 - Phosphoresence is very strong and long lasting with this panel. It is pretty cool IMO.

Nod, and Nod.

I thought I was sick, with all of the things that I notice. You've got me beat, cuz I don't see number 1.

Phosphorencence?? What is that? On my 151, residual image retention happened fairly easily originally, but it is much less, and I know that it isn't serious. xrox, you know you can dim the LED, but I would think it would be wise to have an option to turn off on the ECCs

Phosphoresence: Turn the panel off and watch the phosphors still glow. As for the LED even at the dim setting there is still a flashlight effect. It is absolutely impossible to see unless the pixels are totally off and the room is totally black. So it is completely a non issue and more of a funny quirk IMO. However, with ECC it may become an issue. Interestingly with ECC the following should also be true:

-No buzz on a black screen
-No residual charge Image retention on a black screen
-No blotching on a black screen
-Phosphoresence may become an issue intrascene in a pitch black room.

Thank you. I remember on my first 151 I could not only hear buzz 21 feet away on a white screen, but on a black screen as well (21 ft. is the length of the room). I have seen phosphorescence, but I think most times it is when I see temporary IR which the brighter parts of the IR (such as something that says imput 5 or something) are lit up by phosphorescence.

I'm planning to order a 141 soon, and I'm planning to move all of my components into a closet. I know that the 141 has an IR Repeater function, but I can't find any specific info about it. What type of cable plugs into it, and what compatible blaster box goes on the other end?

Cant get 1080p working on my directv hr22 box ? Any ideas ?

It says the TV does not support it and goes out of sync..

How could this be ?

Phosphor Pre-Aging " Turning the cells off and on" is a 100 hour process.

KURO 141 is up

no buzzing unless I am up close: it is quieter than the Fujitsu

How much was it? Where did you buy it? Did you use a coupon? Do you have any? Where can I get one cheaper? Oh, and by the way, who did you vote for and why?


Good luck and enjoy!

Mark......................I’m trying to justify NOT getting the 141 and keep my Fujitsu………..you are NOT helping.


Congratulations!!!!!

Well Pioneer just confirmed what I have been saying that no price drops on 60 inchers so no reason to wait now lol

Hey Guys

recently had my 141 delivered and set up

quick question, bluray and ps3 games look amazing, but my hd cable signals while crisp do not seem to take advantage of the black level the kuro is capable of.

The blacks seem washed out on many channels including some HD ones.
Are these signals generally grayer? I assume it isnt the 141 as everything is going though a receiver so the input is the same.

Bluray for instance has incredibly inky blacks in the letterbox bars, but many hd channels are not nearly as black.

I never noticed this on my old LCD, is the Kuro simply making the poor black levels on these channels more apparent?

any help is appreciated.