Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 56

I grudgingly congratulate you Mark! Why 'grudgingly' some ask? Mark will tell you how long I've tried twisting his arm to make this upgrade from his Fujitsu. Since our plasma heritage is common to Fujitsu, I've long told Mark how much better these new Kuros are!

His only excuse was 'what do I do with my Fujitsu'? We all know this is no excuse!

I forgot to mention in my post last night issues with judder with multiple sources and during panning shots, it is difficult to watch and text is impossible to read on stores or whatever are in the background. This is happening from satellite sources, blu-ray Ironman, etc. The 05FD is plugged directly into the display.

Regarding the buzz.

My environment doesn't have to be dead silent. The dishwasher, clothes washer (8 feet behind me in the laundry room), refrigerator, and furnace can all be running, audio system at normal volume with dialogue, and I can still hear the buzz on all five displays I have tried.

I am sitting about 10 feet away. The buzz can definitely be louder with bright white images, but during mornal viewing of normal content light and dark, it is still noticeable.

I have it in standard power mode and my hearing "OK", not great.

I would be OK with the buzz provided it didn't show it's ugly head during anything I watch.

Is there anyone who has been able to swap a buzzing display for a non buzzing? I am now believing that those who say it doesn't buzz simply don't have hearing to notice it.

Hi guys. My 141fd gets delivered tomorrow as part of a new home theater setup to go in an almost completed basement remodel. I am going to be hooking it up this week but something I haven't seen clearly are calibration settings I can use to get it looking good. I see settings for the Non Elite Kuro's and the non signature elite kuro's - but none for the signature. Maybe I missed them. Can you point me to some good settings to use when I set it up for that oh so important first family movie watching?

I am going to be setting it up with a new Elite SC05 receiver and a new Elite BD05 bluray player (christmas came early this year!). Do you guys have any other tips/suggestions for when setting up this elite gear for the first time?

Thanks so much!

montivfx

My new gear for my new theater:
Pioneer Elite 141fd Plasma
Pioneer Elite SC05 Receiver
Pioneer Elite BD05 Bluray Player
Panamax 5300MP Power Conditioner

PS3
Xbox 360 Elite

New Speakers:
3x Monitor Audio r250's fronts
4x Monitor Audio r180's for sides and rear
Velodyne SPL-800r Subwoofer

I have had two pro 141 end up with the flashing red light. Has anyone else had this problem or have any suggestions as to the cause or solution. Thank you in advance for your help.

P.S.
I have the power running through a surge protector/line conditioner to the monitor and all my electrical equipment.
APC AV C Type Power Filter C5 - Premium surge protection and noise filtering for high
Nominal Input Voltage: 120V
Input Frequency: 47 - 70 Hz (auto sensing)
Input Connections: NEMA 5-15P
Cord Length: 8 feet (2.44 mete

Hello Hoehne... Sorry about your issues, I find this extremely strange (and a bit fascinating though!). You say you have "OK" hearing, but can hear the buzz over normal program dialog on five 141s, even with some background noises in the room, correct? (By the way, Ken, I was indeed talking about dB sensitivity when I said "good hearing", I have edited my original post).

To me, when compared to all of the reports (and my observations on two 141s) that state that the buzz is drowned out, this means that there is "something" in your environment, or your hearing is wayyyyyy better than you think!

Reading your posts, I see that you have tried two rooms, drapes behind the monitors, you have a power conditioner, and pretty much done all the damned things you can think and spent a lot of time on this, but just in case, here's my attempt on it:

First, have you tried plugging directly into the wall and skip the monster conditionner, as another poster suggested in the past?

Also, how many other components do you have connected to the display? Have you tried connecting just a single source? The ideal set-up I could think of would be a laptop running on its battery, connected to any single input of the display (yes, even composite would do) and running the break-in images, with the display connected directly into the wall, or maybe even on a different circuit, using an extension cord. Heck, let's try an extension cord from your neighbor's house!

I know that many have stated that power conditioner or trying the kuro on an independant circuit did not change the buzz, but that would hold true for "regular" buzz. If what we have here is something in the environment, then I feel these things are worth trying, if you have not done so already...

I don't suppose you had any luck listening to a 141 at another house, or in a store?

Dan.

Hi. Yes, I am wanting to get a pro calibration done. Not sure who to have come do it. I emailed one place listed in the calibration thread a while ago, but they never responded. I am in central New Jersey incase someone out there has a recommend.

As far as just sticking in Pure and going with it for now, there are no other tweaks I should make? Seems like there are lots of postings for other screens about tweaking the picture etc.

Im very excited. Just a few more hours and it will be here!

Check out this LIST

Look for the [M] in the listing which means that Professional Calibrator can calibrate the Elite Monitors using the ISFccc Interface. If you see a Calibrator without the [M], they can contact me to get the 9G ISFccc Elite Monitor Display Profile for ControlCAL.

Kevin Miller, Greg Loewen, Eliab Alvarez de la Campa, Eric Hedin, Kevin McKee (NJ Based) and Jeff Meier handle your area I think...

Make sure to verify that they have the 9G ISFccc Elite Monitor Display Profile for ControlCAL (it's new) because it's the only application that can properly calibrate the Signature Monitor's ISFccc Interface. Eric Hedin and Kevin McKee don't have the Monitor Profile yet (Gregg is in the process of getting it).

Ken , Kevin says hes done 151 and 141 with PS3 bluray with controlcal and not has had a problem with WTW. Why my 141 doesnt pass it on ISF mode i dont know. Maybe Turbe can chime in and help on this.

This calibration cost me alot of money, i want to know i get the best possible picture with my money spent. Thats fair , no?

I do alot more gaming than i watch movies. I think games use whiter than white info.

is the sensor enabled (and/or was it when he calibrated your 141)?

Pioneer 9G Elite Monitor 141 ISF-Night Settings.
I used a Panasonic DMP-BD55 for these settings (US 1.5).
24P on, 1080P.

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 23
Brightness: 0
Color: +8
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0

Pure Cinema: 2 (Advance)
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)
Screen size 0 (Dot By Dot)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 2
I-P Mode: 2
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 1
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 0

RGB Controls
R High: +1
G High: 0
B High: +8
R Low: -1
G Low: 0
B Low: 0

Color Management
R: 0
Y: +1
G: 0
C: +1
B: 0
M: 0

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0

Does anyone know if the 141's IR REPEATER can control devices other than Pioneer devices?

And if so, can anyone recommend an IR repeater that could be well suited for the 141 (ie Hotlinks)?

Where is the calibration report

Hopefully sillysally will post the settings and the report (new format) over at the 'other' forum..


btw, did you read the acknowledgment that there is an issue with those of us who have everything on one report (only one formula can be used at one time)?

Help me out here,

Are you speaking of calibration reports or calibration layouts? I persoanly separate the 2. Reports are post calibration session and layouts are during calibration.

As far as I know, the free report I posted on the "other forum" will properly show 2 dE forumlas regardless of what dE forumula you have chosen under options.

While using calibration layouts, you will have to manually change the forumla if you want to toggle between 1976 for grayscale and 1994 for color/gammut(that is why I only use max during the majority of my calibration sessions).

from my understanding, both the layouts/reports are generated off the raw data and the currently selected formula (and gamma correction enabled/disabled) each time you load a session and click on the tab it will regenerate off that setting. If you change the formula and/or gamma correction option for one tab, it will change for any you load or new ones you start.

You can save a report for only grayscale (from a layout for a tab/session), start a new tab/session for color, calibrate and save a report off that but it would be nice to truly have separate for each so we can have one report. Basically, you shouldn't do both grayscale and color on one tab???

Perhaps this needs to be cleared up at their Forum..

Am I over thinking this?????

Gamma, yes. Everything else no. You can chenge the dE formula on the fly without having to retake measurements under the new dE selection. Use that report I posted with one of your saved calibration sessions and you will see what i'm talking about


This is why I provided that free report I've never found a need to open a new tab to separate grayscale and color/gammut measurements. I do it all within one tab....just switch the layouts.

This functionality should be identical between the Standard and Pro versions...although I never used the Standard version.

Yea, I have both on one tab (also created a report based on your original ).. but, I think there is still a problem when both on on one tab (Bill even used the word 'bug' which may be a little strong)...

Well, I will try the new report. and spend more time with 3.2

Looks like someone else's settings. I get a kick out these ''sticklers'' for accuracy when noise reduction is fantastic on these pioneers, and also use enhancer mode1(crappy).

Peter's settings are for Blu-ray.

Why would you want to activate any kind of noise reduction for Blu-ray?

The whole idea is to take a pure signal off the disc with the least
amount of processing, and send it to the panel.

Enhancer Mode 1 and sharpness at -15(no edge enhancements) is
preferred by purists. The above are even recommended by D-Nice.

Blu-ray's still have noise in the picture. If you prefer to see noise in it's full glory than keep all noise reduction off. I doubt Silly,d-nice-others- activate NR even with dvd. Compared to crt or even lcd, plasma has more noise in the picture.




True. But if you still see noise and can clean it up some with NR, without it being noticeable, why not use those features?



I prefer enahncer at 2. Or even using sharpness some. Anything but enhancer 1. I just dont like it.

I would disagree with that on both counts. Many BRs have little to no noise and there would be no point in activating noise reduction that would tend to shave off some of the finer details in the picture.

Additionally, I'd disagree with the assumption that plasma has more noise than LCD. Each has his its own 'type' of noise.


This would assume that noise reduction is transparent. I've yet to see one that was. Generally the more 'transparent' noise reduction is, the less effective it is.


Now that brings up an interesting point. In the 8g Kuros, we always saw recommended enhancer settings of '2'. Now it seems the typical recommendation for 9g Kuros is '1' and I can't say I'm sure why. It could be the setting of '1' is less aggressive than it used to be on the 8g panels.

Perhaps D-Nice can shed some light on that.

The enhancer mode has not changed between these models.

Enhancer mode 1 is a high frequency sharpener on both the 8 and 9G Kuros. I have found no ill effects with this mode as long as the sharpness setting is left at -15.

I agree with Ken on this subject, Blu-ray has little to no noise, unless
you consider film grain noise. Most Blu-ray's are encoded the way
the director intended(300 = film grain & black crush), with the exception
of those few titles that come out with excessive edge enhancement
(Gangs of New York), and no ammount of noise reduction will help.




For SD material and even HD(cable/satellite) it can definately be
useful, but for Blu-ray imo it shouldn't be used, but that is my
preference.


Again, this is more of a preference than anything. I prefer enhancer 1
and sharpness at -15. With those settings I do not see any ringing
or edge enhancement on test patterns or actual material especially
from my seating distance of 8 to 9 feet.

Yep. I place 3DNR on Low for my cable connection.

The blu-ray's i have, older movies still have noise in them. Newer movies i agree they can look great. But i still use low. As far as noise between lcd and plasma, no doubt lcd is still a cleaner image. Put in the break in disc and you can see noise with solid colors, or turn up black levels and you can see dancing pixels. Lcd-crt, shows no noise with solid colors, or dancing pixels. Dlp does, but i still give dlp a advantage as far as noise.





On my older sony dvd player it had a NR feature, it worked but you could see block noise in the skin tones. The pioneer shows this when on high, but you really have to be looking for it to see it on mid or low. That's why they are so good, they remove alot of noise while seemingly to be 'transparent'. Check out the cnet review, they talk about how good the NR reduction is.







1 is much more aggressive than 2. Just seems like 1 adds way to much artificial enhancement.

Yes I will post the raw data charts on the "other forum" along with the settings.

As do I.

Works wonders on some content.