Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 57

Well said petmic. Yes I am a purest and that is what I like.

I only use my 141 for BD film source.

When I set out to come up with my ISF night mode calibrations for my viewing and my environment, I wanted a full as possible, accurate range in my gray scale (10% to 100% IRE) along with the luminance curve and gamma line and of course Pop. The reason for this, is because movies are all over the place. As where TV broadcast programs tend to be in a closer IRE range and broadcast with a lower resolution.

Peter.

Yes Zues you do not like enhancer mode1. And that is the point here. I like enhancer mode1, and sharpness set to -15. Am I right or are you right? What I say is that we are both right. You like enhancer mode2, and I like enhancer mode1 its that simply.

The only reason why I post my settings is just maybe someone(s) can use them and enjoy them. So the point here is that doing something is better than doing nothing.

btw; I do agree with Ken and what he is saying.

Why do you even bother????

Your settings are appreciated by other Signature owners.

I agree. As long as YOU feel you are right. But not because D-nice says so. I thought i should just bring it to your attention just in case. Blu-rays are pretty sharp if that's all you watch.

No my settings have nothing to do with D-Nice, they are 100% mine. Yes I did see that D-Nice and other ISF calibrators were using enhancer mode 1 on Elite 9g kuro's. But when It comes to the Elite Monitor there are no ISF night mode settings that I know about that are posted. However if you ask me do I respect D-Nice's work, my reply would be yes.

The one thing I do use that is D-Nice's work. Is the template you see that I add my settings to and then post it.

In closing the whole reason why I started to do my own ISF calibrations is because I want it my way. Lets face it once the ISF calibrator leaves your home that's it, you better be happy the way he/she setup your system, on less that calibrator lives close to you. And I am not saying that the calibrator did something wrong, all I am saying is there are many different ways to do a calibration, that are correct.
A good example of this is, you like enhancer mode 2 and I like enhancer mode 1. Either way is fine and will not make a calibration better or worse, its simply a preference, but non the less, It is part of a calibration.

You also have to make the assumption that the calibrator knows what he's doing and has accurate equipment.

Presuming you've got reasonable good color vision, the final test should be "does everyone look natural on most programming?" Throw out the channels that obviously have issues with their signal.

Jim.............You are absolutely correct IMO.
When I complete the calibration, the final touch for me is does it look like the REAL world; set aside the financial condition of this country.

D-Nice, any reason the general recommendation for this went from a '2' to a '1' despite the fact, as Jeff indicated, there's been no change in the dynamics of the enhancer mode?

I agree, I don't see any ill effects from a setting of 1.

Remember those Will Smith screenshots about which looks more accurate? With enhancer 1 i see too much detail, wrinkles, in skin tones.

Peter,

I am the same way too. The least amount of processing as possible
for me. I just calibrated Pure mode in my 151 using my I1pro and
Calman and have to say for a beginner I think I did okay. The PQ
looked phenomenal after I was done.

Next up is ISF modes w/ControlCal.

Keep posting your settings, many people appreciate it.

Mike

Ken

I see no ill effects either on test patterns or regualr material, as long
as sharpness is at -15. If you start bumping the sharpness a little it
becomes more apparent.

Just my observation.

Mike

As I said before, enhancer 1 and sharpness at -15 show no ill effects
on test patterns and actual content. I see plenty of detail with these
settings. Wrinkles, pimples, razor stubble, pores, Blu-ray is wonderful.

Ultimately, the only settings that matter are those that look best
to you.

Mike, I too saw some edge enhancement as we moved up from -13, when Kevin Miller was here to do my ISF. However we only saw this on the test patterns and not on other material we viewed.

I tend to be less conservative with sharpness settings because of that. If I saw the same thing on real-world material that I do on test patterns, I'd back off on the sharpness. Pioneer's sharpness settings show less of a 'range' than some other manufacturers, so the difference between -15 and say '0' is much less than some other displays I've seen.

Enhancer1 and -15 is pretty much the same as enchancer2 and sharpness at 0. So if you like enhancer1 -15 you pretty much like sharpness at 0. Enchancer 2 will give you more flexibility with sharpness.

No it isn't. If you actually used test patterns you would have never posted the above.

Because most people prefer the sharpening that enhancer 1 does while the sharpness is @ -15 compared to enhancer 2 with the same sharpness setting. Niether damages the picture and neither is wrong (as long as the sharpness is @ -15).

D-Nice, unlike UMR, you mentioned that there would be improvement in the picture quality of this display compared to 111. i am wondering where your thoughts are on that? Are you still feeling this display will provide visibly better picture pro-calibration? How do you feel about the picture quality of this display compared to regular elite? About same or better?

Has anyone tried the IR Repeater yet?

Will it control nonPio devices?

By the numbers, they are better....grayscale and color points.


This is dependent on how good you are at critiquing PQ. For most people, they would not see a difference.


Overall, it yields a better picture. By how much.....varies per person. I personally would just get the regular Elite.

Mike,

You nailed it. "Least amount of processing". This is the biggest reason why I have a 9G Elite Kuro, and not a Panasonic(also a very good display). There is no need to use the the filters. At least for what I use my Kuro for.

For me, I love to see detail I have never seen before. Like I was viewing Kill Bill (BD), and when AKA Mommy woke up in the hospital and knocked on the side of her head I clearly saw the steal plate in her head, with my new settings.

You will find that controlcal is easy to use. The other thing I found using ISF mode, is that the picture detail and pop seems to improve. However that is just my preference.

Peter.

IMO, what we are reading here about are likes and dislikes, just goes to show that there is no one right way to calibrate because of likes and dislikes.

Just because all but one of us like enhancer mode 1 on are 9G Kuro's, does that mean that mode 1 is the right way for everybody. Of course not and just severs as a good example that we are all a little different in are like and dislikes.

As a enthusiast I do not what to "assume" anything, that's why I have taken the time to learn and hopefully will continue to learn from the pros plus trial and error on my part to become better.

Thanks for your report about Michael Chen ( furrypig01@yahoo.com ) working on your display. If you can use the edit button to add more information about your reactions to the calibration, that would be great.

I've added your report to the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.

Enjoy.

I don't need test patterns, remember d-nice It's possible there is more edge enhancement using the sharpness control. But at my viewing distance i can't see it. But i will compare. It really don't make sense if you are against using sharpness (stickler) but welcome enhancer1. With real world content the sharpness level, is similar, but not identical.

What happens to the 141's that people return because of buzzing or some other anomaly? Do they get sold to someone else as new? Sold as used? Refurbed and sold? Sent back to Pio?

Mike

Mike, good question ^^. Two years ago Pioneer began enforcing a "no returns for credit" policy on out of box defective panels. This policy refers to dealer's stock and not customer owned products. What happens is the TV is repaired if needed and the dealers may be able to get some credit from Pioneer top help sell the item as an open box repaired unit.

However, most of the returns are perfectly good and no repairs are necessary so the retailer sells the item as a returned TV with a discount. I take home returns that I can use in my home or sell them to friends at below cost.

-Robert

I would have to respectfully disagree with this. Enhancer 2 and sharpness
at 0 adds way to much edge enhancement on test patterns and on actual
content to my eyes anyway.


Agreed.


This is definately a preference of yours, which of course, is all that
matters. If the extra sharpening is not visible to your eyes at your
seating distance then by all means adjust it to were it is most pleasing
to you.

Peter,

This time you nailed it.

There is no right or wrong way. The only way that matters is what
looks best to you.

Mike

I agree.

Ultimately, I don't think there is a right or wrong way as long as
the outcome is your enjoyment. Everyone has different tastes
and preferences.

I prefer a calibration as close to reference as possible.

Mike