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post #1801 of 5242
12/7/08 at 1:22pm
Yea thats why I always say check it out when its bright and use a flashlight as sometimes you cant see the cracks at first. I am glad your dealer is taking care of it!
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post #1802 of 5242
12/7/08 at 2:28pm
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"sometimes you cant see the cracks at first."

You sure are correct! With the outer tinted glass, it is real hard to see without enough light.

How ofter have you seen this happen??
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post #1803 of 5242
12/7/08 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by jrannison View Post

You sure are correct! With the outer tinted glass, it is real hard to see without enough light.

How ofter have you seen this happen??

Its been a while (knocking on wood) its still about 1% or so
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post #1804 of 5242
12/8/08 at 10:25am
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Its been a while (knocking on wood) its still about 1% or so

That is a pretty low percentage considering how big these things
are.

Very impressive.
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post #1805 of 5242
12/8/08 at 12:06pm
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That is a pretty low percentage considering how big these things
are.

Very impressive.

It all comes down to your shippers and warehouse. Thats why purchasing from a vendor that has a good shipper is one of the biggest keys to victory
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post #1806 of 5242
12/9/08 at 4:41pm
I've been sifting around as much as I can through this thread and the ControlCal forums, am I to understand the only posted settings for ISF-Night mode are from sillysally? And if so, are these the latest:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post15143226

Thanks. Just waiting for my ControlCal activation and I'm ready to try some better settings while I'm waiting to schedule a UMR visit for sometime early next year.
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post #1807 of 5242
12/9/08 at 5:21pm
Also, I don't think I ever got an answer to my question about the FULL2 viewing mode, i.e. how it differed from regular FULL mode (I can't really tell the difference). Does anyone know? Does everyone have this mode even? I noticed in the ControlCal control translation details, that it says only Japanese models have the FULL2 mode (although I certainly don't think mine is a Japan model since everything is in English, including the box it came in).

Thanks!
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post #1808 of 5242
12/9/08 at 7:22pm
Well the dealer brought the replacement for the unit that was full of cracks on the plasma panel.
They indicated that they inspect the units before they are delivered because they have had units that once in a while are damaged.
Bottom line is they forget!!

The picture is just great. No buzzing, inactive/dead pixels.

Now for the 6.3 day burn-in.
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post #1809 of 5242
12/9/08 at 7:34pm
YES YES YES always check once delivered! I am glad it worked out.
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post #1810 of 5242
12/10/08 at 3:52am
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Also, I don't think I ever got an answer to my question about the FULL2 viewing mode, i.e. how it differed from regular FULL mode (I can't really tell the difference). Does anyone know? Does everyone have this mode even? I noticed in the ControlCal control translation details, that it says only Japanese models have the FULL2 mode (although I certainly don't think mine is a Japan model since everything is in English, including the box it came in).

Thanks!

I'm not sure what the difference is either, but if you don't have a test disk with crosshatch patterns, tell me and I'll load it on mine to check what the difference is. Quick context note: according to pages 96-97 of the manual, FULL2 is only available on video 1080 signals (i or p). On other types of signals, including all PC signals, you see FULL only.

Dan.
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post #1811 of 5242
12/10/08 at 2:20pm
Yes I can confirm it's only on 1080 i or p signals. I do not have access to crosshatch patterns, unfortunately, so I would appreciate your input. Thanks!
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post #1812 of 5242
12/10/08 at 2:54pm
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

Also, I don't think I ever got an answer to my question about the FULL2 viewing mode, i.e. how it differed from regular FULL mode (I can't really tell the difference). Does anyone know? Does everyone have this mode even? I noticed in the ControlCal control translation details, that it says only Japanese models have the FULL2 mode (although I certainly don't think mine is a Japan model since everything is in English, including the box it came in).

Thanks!

Actually, I just copied the tables over from the 9G TV's Display Profile Threads (they were taken from the 9G ISFccc Kuro TV Documentation).. I'll take a look at the Elite Monitor's ISFccc documentation and see if there is any additional info.

EDIT: Okay, I looked - They don't have 'Japan Models Only' for FULL2 in the 9G Elite Monitor ISFccc Documentation. It does state that it's not available for Video (SD) or PC but is available for Video (HD). Full 14:9 and Cinema 14:9 are not available on North American Models

I've never asked any 111/151 owners, would be good to know if FULL2 is available on those Models.
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post #1813 of 5242
12/10/08 at 3:18pm
Screen Size Table for 9G Elite Monitor:



The Screen Size: Auto command is effective only when "SIDE MASK DETECTION" is not "OFF" and "AUTO SIZE" is not "OFF" and HD signal is incoming. Screen size is changed to Auto, if this command is entered.

If the “FULL14:9” or “CINEMA14:9” command is received on the North American model, an error is returned.
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post #1814 of 5242
12/11/08 at 10:23am
Thanks Turbe, but I still have no idea how FULL2 differs from FULL1 in terms of its effect on the picture.

Also, maybe you could answer my other question I posted above about the existence of other ISF-Night posted settings besides sillysallys (those actually look great, but I wanted some choices to try since I don't even have a basic calibration disk yet).

Thanks!
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post #1815 of 5242
12/11/08 at 3:24pm
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Yes I can confirm it's only on 1080 i or p signals. I do not have access to crosshatch patterns, unfortunately, so I would appreciate your input. Thanks!

Ok, you can find attached pictures of the effect of various screen sizes on a 1080p input signal. The dot by dot picture shows a nice signal, with the border on all sides, absolutely no overscan.



Note: the dot by dot picture is not taken at the same zoom setting on the camera.

The difference between Full1 and Full2 is that Full2 has a bit more of vertical overscan but keeps the same horizontal overscan, so the picture is stretched vertically a bit more. Looks to me like the Full1 pattern is more "Square".




In the Wide 1, we really see the distortion effect of the progressive horizontal stretch! The center squares are squares, and the side are really distorted.



The Wide 2 stretches horizontally uniformly.



I'll put the "zoom" and "4:3" photos in the next post (max 5 attach per post)

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post #1816 of 5242
12/11/08 at 3:29pm
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Ok, you can find attached pictures of the effect of various screen sizes on a 1080p input signal. The dot by dot picture shows a nice signal, with the border on all sides, absolutely no overscan.

The difference between Full1 and Full2 is that Full2 has a bit more of vertical overscan but keeps the same horizontal overscan, so the picture is stretched vertically a bit more. Looks to me like the Full1 pattern is more "Square".

Note: the dot by dot picture is not taken at the same zoom setting on the camera.

I'll put the "zoom" and "4:3" photos in the next post (max 5 attach per post)

Dan.

Here they are... For the ZOOM screen size, one thing to notice is that except for about the same overscan as Full1, the horizontal is not touched. Only the vertical is stretched. I would have thought that "zoom" would have preserved the aspect ratio. A better name for it might have been "V-Zoom".





Question to all: I really dislike the grey bars that the 141 puts on a 4:3 signal, so, I have set my 05FD to show 4:3 images as "Normal", not the default of "Full", so that the 05FD adds *black* bars when viewing 4:3 signals. When viewing some movies, the picture appears as a letterbox 4:3 signal (example: 2010) From the pictures above, since only "ZOOM" stretches vertically, it looks like I need to set my 05FD to "Full" and use "Zoom" (or maybe Full2...) to stretch it vertically as well. Then when viewing 4:3, I need to go set it back to "normal" again. This would not be so bad if that setting did not have to be done while the DVD is stopped! Has anyone found a better way? Can I have my cake & eat it too?

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post #1817 of 5242
12/12/08 at 11:29am
I have another question, I recently used ControlCAL to set up some ISF-Night and Day settings, however I was under the impression that settings had to be individually input for each input AND resolution, however my ISF settings seem to be persistant across resolutions (but not inputs, I had to set ISF settings for each input). Any thoughts? I would like to be able to set them independantly at least for 1080p and i.

Actually what I primarily want to be able to do is have the Pure Cinema set to off on 1080i (because I don't care for the effect on broadcast TV), and Advanced for 1080p/24 HD DVD and Blu-ray content. Since I have the HD DVR, HD DVD, and Blu-ray players all on the same TV input (switched through an Integra DTC-9.8), I currently seem unable to do that even though broadcast is 1080i and the disc content is 1080p, they share the same ISF settings on my unit. What's worse, since the ISF settings can't be modified by the remote (only a laptop), I can't even do what I used to with PURE mode, which is just switch the Pure Cinema mode on the fly.
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post #1818 of 5242
12/12/08 at 11:55am
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

I have another question, I recently used ControlCAL to set up some ISF-Night and Day settings, however I was under the impression that settings had to be individually input for each input AND resolution, however my ISF settings seem to be persistant across resolutions (but not inputs, I had to set ISF settings for each input). Any thoughts? I would like to be able to set them independantly at least for 1080p and i.

Actually what I primarily want to be able to do is have the Pure Cinema set to off on 1080i (because I don't care for the effect on broadcast TV), and Advanced for 1080p/24 HD DVD and Blu-ray content. Since I have the HD DVR, HD DVD, and Blu-ray players all on the same TV input (switched through an Integra DTC-9.8), I currently seem unable to do that even though broadcast is 1080i and the disc content is 1080p, they share the same ISF settings on my unit. What's worse, since the ISF settings can't be modified by the remote (only a laptop), I can't even do what I used to with PURE mode, which is just switch the Pure Cinema mode on the fly.

the ISF modes do not need each sub level calibrated...only the non ISFcc AV selections
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post #1819 of 5242
12/12/08 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by rlarsen462 View Post

Actually what I primarily want to be able to do is have the Pure Cinema set to off on 1080i (because I don't care for the effect on broadcast TV), and Advanced for 1080p/24 HD DVD and Blu-ray content.

Why don't use setup isf Night for BR/1080p/24 (PC Advance) and isf Day for TV/1080i (PC Off) and the other settings configured the same with both memories? Use isf Auto for more light output if that is what you have isf Day set for now.....
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post #1820 of 5242
12/12/08 at 12:24pm
So ISF-Day, Night, and Auto do not differ at all at some 'fundamental' level (as I was led to believe the factory modes do), meaning they will be otherwise identical if set to identical settings (with the exception of PC)?

If that is the case, I think I will have to try Turbe's suggestion.

Also, if I want ISF-Auto to behave like ISF-Day or Night, I have to make sure intelligent mode is set to OFF, correct?
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post #1821 of 5242
12/12/08 at 1:00pm
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Also, if I want ISF-Auto to behave like ISF-Day or Night, I have to make sure intelligent mode is set to OFF, correct?

Yes, from my understanding with D-Nice's extensive tests... I personally have not spent much time with isf Auto though I have isf Day copied in there.

I'm also using a hdmi switch (which are cheap btw), so I now use 2 Inputs from my AVR.. I messing around with all kinds of crazy configs in the isf Memories.... now 6 memories available....

The ISF Memory label names are meaningless (except for maybe isf Auto which can use the Light sensor)....
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post #1822 of 5242
12/12/08 at 1:04pm
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I'm also using a hdmi splitter (which are cheap btw), so I now use 2 Inputs from my AVR.. I messing around with all kinds of crazy configs in the isf Memories.... now 6 memories available....

can you give make/ model of HDMI splitter?

I have older Gefen splitters that are problematic with latest HDMI equipment
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post #1823 of 5242
12/12/08 at 1:15pm
Mark Oppo makes one Gotta support the forum sponsors lol
HM31 is the model
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post #1824 of 5242
12/12/08 at 1:22pm
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Mark Oppo makes one Gotta support the forum sponsors lol
HM31 is the model

understood: I was referring to a splitter, not a switch
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post #1825 of 5242
12/12/08 at 1:24pm
oops, I meant switch.. never tried the splitter but I know monoprice has one..

correcting Post above..
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post #1826 of 5242
12/12/08 at 3:19pm
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oops, I meant switch.. never tried the splitter but I know monoprice has one..

correcting Post above..

I have the Oppo HM31 and never have a problem with it.
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post #1827 of 5242
12/12/08 at 3:38pm
Yea Oppo makes a great product I demo their DVD players at my store here and cant wait until they get the Blu Ray out.
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post #1828 of 5242
12/13/08 at 11:40am
Is there a consensus about what is necessary for the 141 in terms of break in? I have read various reports on how long the Pioneer in factory pre-aging process is (100-200 hrs)

I have added another 100 hours to that with a break in disc, should that suffice, or are most of you going for longer?
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post #1829 of 5242
12/13/08 at 11:42am
Yea IMO 150 hours or so
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post #1830 of 5242
12/13/08 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

Yea IMO 150 hours or so

agreed

for those non believers, I can tell you break in is essential if you want to get your display ISF calibrated

Kevin Miller is doing mine in a few weeks: most ISF calibrators will ask the display be broken in before they come out

for me: break in is simply running in zoom or full screen mode with no logos or static images: I think the break in disc is unnecessary
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