Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 62

Break in disc for me was just a convenience as it has a 16 hour playback with full screen colour shifts every thirty seconds.

So you guys are saying 150 hours in addition to whatever pioneer is doing in factory correct?

The literature in the 141 bio & manual is sketchy on what methods Pioneer is taking past turning the phosphors on and off repeatedly.

is it agreed that they are adding at least 100 hours of their own break in?

Yea I would run additional hours on your own

I was under the impression that if you go to PC Input, the 141 WILL display that you are at 1080p/24fps (72Mhz). However, when my Denon 3800 is set to 1080p/24 ON THE FRONT PANEL I get NO picture if I switch in the input on the 141 to PC. I DO get a picture if I set the Denon to 1080i or 1080p, but NO picture on 1080p/24 via the PC input. On video input for the 141, hitting display only tells me that I have a 1080p signal when running 1080p/24 to the 141. source. Am I missing something??

You are running the pixel orbiter in mode 2 right? That covers all size modes?

Another question for you guys

I have my 141 running through an Sony HTSF2300 hdmi receiver, hooked to the receiver is a PS3 and some other toys

When I am in the PS3 menu, and I hit the kuro display button I get 1080P 24 bit

if I run the hdmi from the 141 directly to the PS3 I get 1080P 36 bit or deep colour, as far as I know my reciever is supposed to be deep colour compatible (xv colour as sony calls it)

Why doesn't the Kuro read the 36 bit signal throught the receiver? any ideas?

I will have to check into that, seems strange for a receiver to "support" deep colour but be incapable of using that support due to not being 1.3

I will have to look into that, I know that deep colour is a future thing, but still cool to see 36 bit on the ps3 menu when it is running directly to the Kuro

If the receiver supports deep colour then it MUST have HDMI 1.3. You need 1.3 to support deep colour, but having 1.3 does NOT mean that the device has deep colour support. For example, Sony have a few projectors that have HDMI 1.3 but do NOT support deep colour.

This unit is two weeks old and completed 150 hour burn-in

I am very disappointed with the color space calibration. Primarily the Green is oversaturated; and yes the 141 is set to Color Space 2 !!

I have included two files, one with RGB input from the computer, the other is HDMI input utilizing the AVS rec709 disc with a Panasonic BD30.
The data was taken with the 141 in Pure mode, and you will note the RGB gain settings to obtain RGB balance for Gamma.

The Chroma-5 meter is new and I confirmed (approximately) with my older LT meter.

Any suggestions or ideas? …………..Have the unit replaced (this is the second unit, the first one had a totally cracked display), or can I trust that Pioneer will repair this correctly.

I’m also going to post this on the 9G Kuro Settings/Issues forum.

John, you may need to get your unit professionally calibrated. Most Kuros have a + green grayscale according to D-Nice. But there is no reason that a proper ISF calibration should not be able to correct this. I've never heard of a unit that couldn't be brought into proper calibration.

I had contacted D-Nice and he appeared surprised that the Green CIE Gamut data was at those values. He thought I may be at Color Space 1 setting and I re-verified I was at setting 2.
The green can be adjusted using the CMS control, but a setting of about -20 is required and that distroys the Gray Scale and is almost impossible to bring in even with the ISF Gamma controls.

The Signature Series is pre-aged in the factory for 200 hours (according to the rep I talked to).
I ran the Break-in Disc for 150 hours.
I run the video pattern for 1 hour every couple of weeks (accessible through Option).

Yes what you are seeing with your RGB Green is correct. As far as I can tell, the only way to correct the High Green is by bumping up your High Blue by +11 or +12 and High Red +2 or +3 for ISF night.
I am working on new settings for ISF night see my calibration report link below. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post15317196
I have tried many ways to ISF calibrate my 141, including +/- Green H/L and using the 9 point gamma controls. However imo adjusting H/L green or 9 point gamma is not the right settings for my eyes. Also making much of a change from the defaults in CMS is not the right way for me to go. The reason why I don't like to make changes with my CMS default settings, is because of what those changes do to my 75% white.

I own a 150fd that was ISF calibrated and I was interested in knowing if the 141 would be a noticable improvement, it would be hard to imagine considering how good the 150 looks.

Stan

Yes.

Having gone from a 150 to a 151, I can concur with Peter, it IS an improvement...and not a subtle one at that.

Not that it matters, but it was umr who noted that the Pioneers were +G.

Take one for a test drive. One man's mountain is another man's molehill

Ok, I'm throwing my hands up. Who can solve this mystery for me? How the heck do you do PIP with a 141 and an SC-07 receiver?! I have two HDMI cables going from both of the SC-07's HDMI outputs into the 5 & 6 HDMI inputs on my 141. What I'm trying to do is watch TV (component) while having my PS3 (HDMI) in a PIP window and swapping both in and out when I need to. However I have yet to even get the PIP to work. Can anyone offer some suggestions?

Well you are right it doesn't matter. D-Nice did say it. Who said it first, don't know but I would not disagree with Ken.

One thing is for sure. And that is D-Nice posts some very good ISF calibrated settings for are 8 and 9G Kuros. Plus he will help us want a be home calibrators. I cant say that about umr, can you?

Unfortunately, what the 141 manual fails to specify is that to use PIP, one of the inputs has to be input 1, 2 or 3. You can't PIP two HDMI input.

I believe that the two HDMI of the SC-07 will always show the same output, so that's no help (Slight chance I may be wrong on this).

Personnally, I connected my Zone 2 component out of my SC-07 to the 141, so I can watch a secondary signal by selecting it on the Zone 2 of the SC-07.

In your case, the problem is that to get the sound of the TV, your main zone has to be the one to select the TV input. If the PS3 is connected only through HDMI, then you can't get its signal to the Zone 2 component. If you could connect the PS3 image with either component, S-Video or (ack) composite, then you could get its image as a PIP.

Dan.

Pioneer 9G Elite Monitor 141 ISF-Night Settings.
I used a Panasonic DMP-BD55 for these settings
24P on, 1080P.
ControlCAL is required for these settings.

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 22
Brightness: 1
Color: +3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 2 (Advance)
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)
Screen size 0 (Dot By Dot)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 2
I-P Mode: 2
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 1
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 0

RGB Controls
R High: +3
G High: 0
B High: +12
R Low: -1
G Low: 0
B Low:-1

Color Management
R: 0
Y: +1
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0

Template's by D-Nice

Here is a link to my ISF night settings and report for my pio BD-51.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post15546767

Here is a link to my ISF night settings and report for my panny HD-A35. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post15452782

 

SillySallyGandC.pdf 167.7978515625k . file

Try setting the margins in the printer page setup menu to 0.5 for all 4 sides so that it will print out on 2 pages.

Just tried to print as you said, and it works like a charm. Just don't forget to click on the post # just to the left of link to get a signal post page to print.

haha, he was talking about the CalMAN Report/template (PDF Format)..

Peter, I must say, no matter what the reports say, you've done a wonderful job for those of us with 141's and access to ControlCAL. Those latest ISF-Night settings are very, very pleasing with my setup (6500K bias lights, dark room). Thanks for sharing your hard work with all of us.