Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 71

Ideally you would what to have over 500 hours before a ISF calibration is done. With are Plasmas there is a curve in aging. The more hours we put on are 141s the less changes take place.

Or even better yet, a cable with a HDMI connector design that locks into place.

http://www.lockinghdmi.com/

Yeah, sent it many times and have it setup to send if loss of power or input signal etc. works fine.

For me, it was the thickness since i am wall mounting it, i've seen some tvs protrude way out and it looks bad. I will never use the builtin tv tuner on the 151 and i have my own sound setup so no need for speakers. I wish it came with a stand so at least i have the option though.
Also since the price is the same and it is a little bit more exclusive.

I think I am in love!

My 101 arrived today. Thanks to Roman for a great deal. He even called to check on me when I hadn't contacted him several hours after the delivery.

I've seen the various Kuros in various locations, but I've never had the pleasure that I had tonight, of powering the thing on and watching the first part of the Planet Earth Blu-Rays in a dark environment, and the surround sound on.

I have the break-in DVD running at the moment. I was confused at first, because I let it start, but I wasn't paying close attention to the screen. I thought that it was just stuck on some grayish screen. Then I realized that the colors only change every 30 seconds.

I had a brief terrifying experience when watching the blu-ray. I was noticing that there was a constantly present background sound. I thought perhaps it was the dreaded buzz. I turned the panel off with everything else still on. Still there... "Does the panel buzz even in standby mode? Seems impossible," I thought.

Turns out that in the change over from my old wooden stand for my 32" SD tube set, to a stand with open glass shelves...well, my ReplayTV got a lot more noticeable. Thankfully, it will be taken out of the loop soon in favor of a DirecTV HD DVR. Of course, I could be in for a rude awakening on that front, but I will remain blissfully ignorant.

Do I hear buzz on the break-in DVD now? Sure, especially when things are all white. Time will tell whether it is an issue in real life viewing. I am optimistic that it will not be.

One of the reasons I went with the 141FD was its ability to do 1920 x 1080 on the VGA input (and probably DVI as well, but my old PC can't send it over DVI). I miss the tuner a bit, but am glad I didn't pay for speakers, sound circuitry or a stand that I did not need.

I can hear the slight buzz on mine though. sk20, vancouver and stacy11, have you ever heard the slight buzz on any other pioneer or other plasmas (not talking about "defective" units here)?

Dan.

i just setup my 141 last night and powered her up for the first time, however I have a noticeable buzz from sitting 8' away. How far are you sitting from your display and have you listened to the set in total silence? Mine has different pitch buzzing depending on what is displayed (dark scenes low buzz, bright scenes high buzz).

I have one other question too, though i'm sure it's been answered before but I can't find it with the search. I am going to get the tv calibrated and have the chance to get it for cheap since i got the set from bestbuy and the calibration is discounted when purchasing the service plan (that and i'm a best buy employee so even more discount). (calibration normally $300, i get it for roughly $100)

the calibrators use Sencore 5000 for calibrations, and are unfamiliar with ControlCal. will they still be able to properly calibrate the set for isf day/night without ControlCal?

if they don't use ControlCal you are wasting your money in my opinion: they will not be able to access the day/ night ISF menus without it

You should research this more (I will try to make it easy for you here), check this Experience (Pioneer pro-141 ISF Calibration problems)

Here is a LIST of Professionals that use ControlCAL, Look for [M] in the Calibrator's Listing. If you choose one with the Elite Monitor Display Profile, they can contact me.


Additional Info that may help your decision:

Understanding the Pioneer 9G ISFccc Interface
Pioneer Owner's Calibration Reports


Hope that helps you..

thank you very much turbe. I found a bunch of information about controlcal and did a buncha research, but I'll admit i didn't try "very" hard to find an answer

I lurch around these forums constantly, just rarely post.

my setup is finally complete with the addition to my new love, the 141. Now i just hope i can get used to the buzz my love likes to share with me.

and by get it for cheap, I just meant since I'm a bby employee and i get a good discount on it.

Well many people fall in love with their Kuros so congrats!

My 141 is the same as yours, a slight buzz. But not a problem for me. I set 7 feet away from my 141.

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So now you see why I only use ISF settings.

my KURO will not send me an email

my provider is Comcast: I used ns lookup for smtp.comcast and pasted that in, no authentication (tried it with and without) but no joy (doing this from PC interface)

any ideas to get it to work would be appreciated

A 100% discount wouldn't get me to even think about letting a BB employee touch my display.

hehe, hey, i'm a BB geek squad home theater installer (i plug in hdmi cables, i'm awesome! lol but i agree, I was weary to let them calibrate it in the first place, hence why I asked about it. Our calibrator said he does isf day/night on the 141..so that made me go "hmmm...he's a moron".

My setup consists of the 141 display, denon 5308ci, def tech Mythos ST, CLR3000, SC1, BPVX/P's. I'm an enthusiast as well as a BB employee.

Not all us BB employees are home theater retards

Edit: oh, and i just got done watching my usual starter movie for new displays, Fifth Element...and all i have to say is.....holy....S#$%

It looks like you are taking advantage of your BB discount to get some outstanding gear. Now get yourself a talented professional calibrator that does both video and audio calibrations.

BB's marketing plans do not include resources for high quality professionals.

taking advantage of the BB discount is an understatment....i'm borderlining abusing it. but actually, the tv is the only thing i purchased directly from BB, i got the speakers and avr through dealer accomidations.

Now if only I didn't live in a $150k house with a cramped basement thats half finished....

indeed, i can verify that BB doesnt have the resources to train high quality professionals....I got a whole month on the job training...everything else i've learned is only cuz i'm passionate about home theater.

i do plan on hiring a professional calibrator for the tv. I'm not going to do anything with the audio calibration until I get this basement finished.

We're on the same page. I just think it is confusing to say "no buzz" as you mentionned in an earlier post, it makes people think that some units have no buzz at all (which I don't believe is the case), and makes them think about exchanging their unit.

Thanks!

Dan.

That is exactly how my P50 Fujitsu and 141 sound, with my ear right next to the unit.
The buzz should NOT be audible even three feet away IMO.

First off, a GIANT thank you to Gregg Lowan (Lion AVS) and Turbe. I finally finished the break-in hours, and had my 141 calibrated by Gregg last night.

I want to thank Gregg for staying into the wee hours (I live in Los Angeles and he was still on Eastern time) to make sure everything was DIALED IN, and Shawn (Turbe) for being available via phone and email for ControlCal software support and general HELP!

For starters, Gregg had to crawl around on the floor while I tilted the monitor away from the wall, in order to acess the serial port. (I FORGOT when I mounted it on the wall to provide EASY access....)

Then, when we went into ISF mode, the monitor refused to communicate with Gregg's PC. At first we thought it was a PC or cable problem. Come to find out, I had accidently changed the 'Serial Settings' from ALL to EAH (or something like that, don't ask why because I have no answer). THAT one took a bit to figure out, but we did (with Turbe's help), and got into the isf modes.

So after a few stumbles, we finally got the set dialed in and WOW! I can't wait to get home and actually watch a few DB the WAY THEY WERE MEANT TO BE SEEN....

I don't have the settings/graphs yet as Gregg is going to email them to me, but I did want to give a HUGE public thank you to both of these guys, ESPECIALLY Turbe for graciously helping us out in the middle of the night and being available to make sure we got the job done! And Gregg for staying until it was RIGHT, and muddling thru some user errors (of my making) that made his job a little more difficult.....

I'll post the results/settings/graphs as soon as I get them from Gregg. In the meantime....I"m off to enjoy the SET, whcih from the little time I had to view it before crashing late last night, LOOKS INCREDIBLE. Extremely accurate grey scale tracking, the best blacks I've ever seen on a display, rich, accurate, deep colors, bright whites/no clipping....AND NO BUZZ. If you wanna hear buzz, my old Hitachi 55hdt51 BUZZED. More later....

Congrats! Those guys are great for sure!

Thanks for the calibration report. I've added it to the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.

Pioneer is committed to introducing new innovations in plasma and other high definition technologies.

At Pioneer, our passion is to create high definition home theater products that make the hair on the back of your neck stand up and create an experience like never before. We remain enthusiastic about delivering the ultimate home theater experience based on the brand strategy the company set nearly a year ago, to bring to market the best home theater technology.

Pioneer will continue to focus on what it does best, which includes engineering game-changing plasma technology and producing proprietary components that differentiate Pioneer plasma televisions from the rest of the market. The next generation KURO flat panel televisions will be coming this summer as planned with no change in Pioneer production. The only difference starting in 2009 will be that Pioneer will outsource mass production of the plasma modules before they go to finishing and assembly plants to become Pioneer televisions.

Outsourcing product components is common practice among successful consumer electronics (CE) companies all over the world. This is widely regarded as smart business as it allows companies to focus on their specialties. Some specialize in engineering and innovation, like Pioneer, while others specialize in efficiency and quality mass production.

There are three core parts to a plasma television. Pioneer's plan to outsource production of only the plasma panel modules will not impact Pioneer's technologic superiority. This will enable Pioneer to bring high-definition display innovations more efficiently to the customer's living room, home cinema and all of the corners of our life where we can't live without HD. We will have the ability to continue to differentiate and maintain our KURO DNA within these other areas. For example, Pioneer utilizes powerful video processing and color filter technologies that are added in the assembly phase. All of these components work together harmoniously to create the magic of Pioneer's quality KURO displays.

Pioneer is developing plans with production partners to offer exceptional quality and reliability in line with Pioneer's own strategy and high standards. At this time, no specific arrangements or decisions have been made beyond the previously announced mutual capital investment with Sharp.

SOunds like they will be going strong!

I believe the buzz issue may have something to do with the room accoustics. Generally speaking I have to move within 1-2 feet to hear any buzz from my 141FD. However, depending on the location of my couch I can hear a faint buzz which appears to be coming from the left side of the room. In my current position I cannot hear any buzz, but if I move the couch back about 6" I can. That faint buzz only happens during some particular scenes or graphics.

the main buzz issue that some people have comes from the center of the screen and is "beamed" toward the center seating position so room acoustics do not come into play. i say beamed because someone seating directly to the left or right of that center position may not hear the buzz at all. and no one that has a buzz issue has been able to eliminate it with any type acoustic treatment.

Thank you for your Report - I'm glad I could be of some assistance that night..