Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 73

That is the exact problem I am having. I do not have an issue with auto. The auto thing I was talking about was the color space not the source output. So did you explore that further or is it just high speed needs to be off? From what I understand it is beneficial to having it on.

Same here, np with high speed on. But its worth a try. I wounder way the same BD05/51 used on a Kuro would be ok on some and not ok on others.

Also you could try and unplug your HDMI cable's. Some times the HDMI cables retain some information.
O well one more thing to add to the fix list over on the BD-05/55 thread if that's what is causing the problem.

Well in all honesty the 05 did a better job of processing the 480i image when I had it connected directly to the 101 so I do not really care about the green screen anymore because I will not use the 101 for upscaling. The issue left is the poor black level I am having. I am going to try and get to ABT to see their display model as well.

From what I have read in the BDP-05/51 thread and experienced myself it only seems to occur when going through the pioneer 9x-TXH series receivers.

Your black level issue has my interest. I have never heard one complaint about the 101/141 black levels.

I am sure when Jeff gets his hands on your 101 he will have it perfect. They are nice sets to calibrate.

I know that is why something has to be up. The processing of this display is the best I have seen but I can't get beyond how bad the blacks look. I just didn't have time to go to the store and compare. I will try tomorrow.

Please show me that post. My reports always show 0 to 100 percent values in 10 percent increments. It is what my software does automatically. I suspect you are confusing me with someone else.

No I am not confusing you with someone else. However I should have been more exacting in my wording. Its the Gamma reading for 0%,10%,20%. of the 11pt gray scale.

I am use to seeing the 0% to 100% Gamma reading using Calman with a 11pt gray scale.

It seems that your report was removed from this thread or I just can't find it. However I do have a copy of that report so if you like I will post that report or PM to you. What ever is best for you.

Seeing reports from D-Nice and you and others, helps me to compare my calibration reports, to what others are getting.

Ok. I have read what is suggested in the e-mail setup, and I have tried many variations. Other than needing the IP number of the mail server, rather than just the name, I think it looks pretty straightforward. Of course, it is not... I think the problem for me might be that my outgoing mail-server requires authentication AND a secure connection. So I, no doubt, need to select "Authentication: On". I put my information where it belongs, I get no errors that I see, but I get no e-mails.

I see nowhere to choose the port to connect on. I tried using the standard of "IP address:Port number", but that didn't seem to make any difference.

I'd be really bummed if I was locked out of this functionality due to an oversight in the firmware. Am I missing something. Obviously, if completely necessary, I could setup a local mail server to handle this, but that seems a bit much.

Any help would be much appreciation. Thanks in advance.

Edit: In addition, I just noticed that the IP address of my mail server is not constant. It will change (and not just a slight change) every few minutes. I assume that this is a load balancing issue, but I am wondering whether this has any impact on my ability to use the IP number itself. I assume not, but I am generally uncertain now about what could be wrong, so I am considering anything.

I do not report the estimated gamma at those levels because the light level readings are too erroneous at those levels to be accurate in most cases. You need to use special techniques or tools to get valid readings at those levels for gamma. I do provide the light readings if you want to use them, but only fools always believe their tools.

ncfoster

I had similar concerns as you: tried everything and also saw the IP of my server was changing, as would be expected with DHCP

Keep in mind when you do an IP lookup for the server, you need to lookup the IP of the SMTP mail server

I nearly gave up too: tried everything...what finally worked was rebooting my PC...then did a test and the Kuro sent me emails

Not sure if that was a coincidence or not...

Yes, I am looking at the SMTP server. And yes, that sounds decidedly like a coincidence. Whether your TV sends an e-mail definitely shouldn't be connected to whether you reboot your computer.

Any other ideas? Anyone using AT&T for an ISP that has this working?

Mark, you didn't mention that you also bought your 141 flowers.

Yes of course you are right about believing 100% in your tools if that is what you are saying. But the best calibrations I have gotten is when I hit within my gamma point target for 20% and 10% and of course the 30% to 100% gamma target. And imo only a fool would ignore the readings on the low end of the IRE's completely. And it is for that reason why I took D-Nice's lead and started to do my own calibrations. I don't have the time restraints that you have. I live in the same place as my display and have all the tools I need at my disposal all of the time.

Jeff, I understand what you are saying. But as a HT intensest I just find it surprising that you exclude the lower gamma readings from your average gamma point target. And I am not trying to ruffle your feathers but just trying to understand why.

Peace.

Ken, I am happy to see you back here.

The reason is that tool is not good enough to get it right at that level. It is also insufficient to examine gamma and color in 10 percent increments at these levels. I use a different technique for the levels from 0 to 10 percent and examine it in 1 percent increments. I agree it is very important, but a 10 percent step size is way too course and the 0 to 20 percent range is too important for such slop. Reporting such flawed values in that report do not do justice to what is really going on.

You aren't going to get any emails from your 141 using AT&T's SMTP server. Why? Because AT&T uses a different port for SMTP (secured connection), and Pioneer with their awful web interface didn't include an option to select another port. Big gripe of mine. Oh, you want to try and use another free SMTP server? Sorry, AT&T blocks port 25, and understandably so. This cuts down on spam on their network considerably. You have to use their SMTP server, or you can purchase a business line from them so you can use your own.

I've got AT&T U-verse and that is the case for me. :|

Well, thanks for the answer. I was afraid of exactly this.

I have to say that haven't seen anything in ages that is designed to send e-mails that lacks the ability to change ports. This seems like something that clearly calls for a firmware update, but I am sure that it will not occur. Seriously, what percentage of the population use AT&T or another ISP with similar policies? I can only imagine the number of folks who have this setup properly is very low.

It's a really freakin' huge oversight on Pioneer's side. You think not changing SMTP ports is a basic networking function? How about not including an option to enter a DNS server? Why do you think you have to get the IP of your SMTP server? Because Pioneer didn't have an option for DNS, which resolves a name to an IP address. How would you like it if your ISP made you use an IP to surf the internet? You want to go to Google? You better enter http://209.85.173.103 in your browser instead. Seriously Pioneer? Seriously?

What tool are you referring to?
What technique do you use for 1% increments in the low range?
Shouldn't your RGB tracking level, point gamma breakout, xy and CCT values reflect using your 1% technique in your report? The reason why I ask is because your report shows "slop" in your 0 to 30% increments.

And talking about "slop" wait till D-Nice sees how I butchered his report template for my latest settings for the pio BD-51. using new firmware 1.21. pio finaly did a good job and removed the crush problem.

Posted here for others (probably won't work for ncfoster since it sounds like AT&T blocks Port 25)...

If you want to send an email a couple times a month/once a week:

You can use this free SMTP server: http://www.softstack.com/freesmtp.html - Windows 98/ME/NT/2000/XP/Vista


Once Installed, select: Specific DNS Server (and enter a valid DNS Server for your network, you can check your router for this info).
TIP: Make sure you do use this option as Autodetect may have issues on some networks).


On the Signature side:

Sender Address: Your email address
Mail Server(SMTP): Enter the IP address of the computer on your network running the Free SMTP Server above
Authentication: Off
ID: Leave Blank
Password: Leave Blank
Receiver Address: Your email address

Simply run the Free SMTP Server when you want to send an email (manually click on TEST MAIL on the Signature's web interface).

I've tested that Free SMTP Server on my network, laptop and 141 - works good.


NOTE: If your ISP blocks Port 25 this won't work and you will need to run a complete mail server on your private network (both SMTP and POP3).

Pioneer 9G Elite Monitor 141 ISF-Night Settings.
I used a Pioneer BD-51 (F/W 1.21) for these settings,
Sorce Direct, Hight Speed on, Professional mode,
HDMI Color Space 4:4:4:

Note these settings are best for Blu Ray movies. For SD the color should be a little off.

You will need Controlcal to unlock ISF Modes.

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 22
Brightness: 0
Color: +2 (update)
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 2 (Advance)
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)
Screen size 0 (Dot By Dot)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 2
I-P Mode: 2
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 1
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 0 (off) or 2 (on)

RGB Controls
R High: +3
G High: 0
B High: +13
R Low: -2
G Low: 0
B Low:-2

Color Management
R: 0
Y: +1
G: 0
C: 0
B: +1
M: 0

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0

Template by D-Nice

Here is a link to my BD-55 and 141 settings: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post15333328

Here is a link to my HD-a35 and 141 settings. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post15452782

 

SillySally PIO BD51 011208.pdf 154.4697265625k . file

 

SillySally PIO BD51 011208 pt2.pdf 158.3232421875k . file

hi everyone , anyone using the DVDO edge with their pioneer panel and like it?

Very true. But couldn't this be eliminated with a suitably powerful router/bridge/WAP, by convering the incoming, hardcoded port/address to the desired external port/address? (Not implying that makes Pioneer blameless, just suggesting a workaround.)

Hi sillysally. Can you show me where the post is that Chris Walker makes that statement?

I've searched through all of his posts and cannot find where he made this comment or anything even remotely similar to that. Thanks.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/searc...rchid=12104075

Nope.

I tend to agree with the other poster that this wouldn't work, but how are you imagining that it would?

As I recall that post was in the lost thread.
But I could be wrong, keep looking for it.

However I don't think that a statement like that is all that surprising. Do you know of a BD player that also is a great SD player, I sure don't.

And I am happy to see you are keeping up with my post's, now that I rarely post in the 51/05 thread.