Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 75

Ok, very easy to determine. When viewing a BD film (1080P@24) just press your A/V button on your remote once (1 time only) then see what the pop up box in the upper left hand side of your screen says. If you have your 141 set properly, it should say "Dot-by-Dot", 36bit, 1080p, ect.
Also keep in mind that if you are viewing something like a concert chances are its 1080i, even if that concert is on a blu ray disc.

Using the ISF modes on your 141, makes things a lot easier. And also will bring out the best in your display.

I do have my ISF mode settings posted along with my reports. The link (see below) is for a BD-51 and my 141, if you look at the bottom of my post I also have links for more settings using different BD/HD players.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post15546767

You may also want to look at your side mask detection setting. If it is enabled typically whenever the display see's a format change it will revert back to auto. When you start another BluRay movie you would be in auto which would typically give you the Full screen mode. I beleive if you turn side mask detection off your display should stay in Dot by Dot mode.

Also another setting to try is setting autoscreen size options (off, natural or widezoom)

Just tried it on my 150 and setting autosize to off allowed the display to return to Dot by Dot when an HD signal returned. This would not allow for auto zooming of 4:3 format material as expected. The 141 is a unique display so results may vary.

As eddiscus mentionned, I would check the autosize setting first. It's behavior is described on page 33 of the manual, and it is set automatically to "WideZoom" when you do the recommended procedure of setting your display to "Long Life Settings" (page 28).

Dan.

Thanks for the feedback, Peter. I hope to have my set professionally calibrated and/or ControlCal soon. I just have to find a calibrator I can trust (who has solid experience with the Signature series and ControlCal) in the central Virginia area.



You have figured it out! Changing the autosize to off does allow the 141 to properly return to my previous "Dot-by-Dot" setting.
Thanks again (& to you as well, Info_Dan).

I have searched and can't seem to find a solution:

How do I set my 141 to have black side bars when watching 4:3 SD material? My HR22 (DirecTV) is set to use black bars for 4:3 material.

I finally got the 141FD, DVDO VP50 Pro, and Panasonic BD55 hooked up (the Pro was out of stock over the holidays), with HD-SDI from player to scaler.

Oh. My God.

What a picture! And the sound's really good too.

Now off to watch Blade Runner.

Could anyone tell me what is the best brand or model of wall mount to mount the PRO101FD . I dont need it to tilt, I just want the tightest fit to the wall possible. thx

The mount made specifically for the unit is really thin: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU....KRP-WM02.Kuro.

Unfortunately, there does not seem to be any way to set the 141 to have black bars in 4:3, so you need to make sure the source is adding them. I don't know much about cable boxes, but check the following:

- Make sure it knows your TV is widescreen (16:9)
- As you've said, tell it to use black for the 4:3 bars.
- In my BD player, there is an option to have 4:3 stretched horizontally to the whole widescreen width and let the TV shrink it to 4:3, or to produce side bars into the signal. I select the latter, of course. Would there be a similar setting in your cable box?

Dan.

Have you tried turning "Automatic screen sizing" to off. According to the manual if it is in "Natural" then side mask detect operates and will change the black bars to grey.

I will be receiving my 141 soon and I plan on calibrating it myself. I have ControlCal and I think I am ready to make "before Break-in" adjustments.

I have a SONY DA9000ES (AV Receiver) which does not have HDMI switching but has DVI-D switching. I plan to connect my SONY BDP-S550 (Blu-ray Player) using a cable converter (HDMI to DVI-D) to the Receiver and then DVI-D (monitor out) to the 141's DVI-D (input 4). The audio portion will connect to the multi-ch input to the receiver (to get decoded audio 7.1 signals). My DirecTV will use the component for now.

I have scoured this thread looking for some settings for input 4 but could find any. Some websites indicate that DVI video signals are really the same as HDMI video signals. Would that mean that I could calibrate input 4 just like an HDMI?

I would appreciate some guidance from all of you. Thanks in advance!

If I understand what you are saying, you would be far better off just connecting your SONY BDP-S550 direct to your 141 for video. Get a good HDMI 1.3 category 2 cable.

btw; if you look 2 pages back (see link below) you will find settings for your 141. However for some of these settings you will need Controlcal to open your ISF modes.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post15546767

I read that and tried it to no avail. I will see if anything changes tonight when I watch TV. What is funny is that I have had the set since November and last night was the first time I saw gray bars. I had not changed anything recently.

"If I understand what you are saying, you would be far better off just connecting your SONY BDP-S550 direct to your 141 for video. Get a good HDMI 1.3 category 2 cable"

That is what I was thinking originally but I want to use the DVI-D switching feature my AV Receiver has. Switching sources would be done using one button instead of switching Audio and Video sources separately.

Perhaps I could connect both inputs simultaneously and see if there's a difference in picture quality. If HDMI 1.3 is better, I could perform switching via macros in my remote control. For HDMI cable, I bought Atlona HDMI 1.3 are these any good?

What you want to do may work. It all depends on what your A/V unit is and what features it has on it. The last thing you want to do is degrade your video signal. You have the best display so I am thinking you want the best picture.

Don't know much about your HDMI cable, but the specs are good.

If you haven't done so already, you can also check the "Screen->Side Mask" setting to make sure it is "off" (manual pages 36, 37). I had forgotten about that setting, thanks for making me think about it, eddiscus.

Dan.

It took all day but I waded through the entire 75pgs of thread here. Many outstanding contributors.

I'm considering replacing my 4yr old NEC plasma with a 141. I note there is at least one dealer who frequents this site and gets outstanding fb. However, given the ~25% (based on the buzz poll) buzz issue, I'm probably going to do business with the local BB/M who have 141s on sale presently at about a 20% discount, suffer the tax levee, but simplify the return option.

Primary HTS sources are the cable company DVR (SA8300HD), PS3, and Tosh HDA1. In my current setup, these are HDMI switched through a Denon 1909 HDMI 1.3 compliant AVR, one HDMI feed to the plasma. This works fine on my current plasma since, on a good day, its a 480P.

However, this will obviously be a different situation with the 141. There is considerable difference in PQ among these sources, particularly between the cablebox and the PS3/HDA1. So if I calibrate the 141 for the PS3, it would be non-optimum for the cable feed. I suppose a solution would be to use the 141 to switch HDMI video sources. I understand it has 4 HDMI inputs. Are these inputs individually calibrated? How do you guys handle this remote control mgmt challenge?

You will have np calibrating for each one of your three sources using one HDMI input.

70runner, you can use the ControlCal software to access the ISFcc interface and calibrate multiple settings (Day/Night/Auto) for each input. The 141 will also save your settings for each input using the normal IR remote interface but it's been reported that those can be overwritten when setting up a new input/signal (runs out of memory to store the new settings). I run several different inputs at various resolutions and I've yet to lose my settings via the IR remote.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/flatpan...lasma_monitor/


Seems like Scott noticed the same thing i did with the WTW issue and how DRE enabled fixes that.

Sorry to tell you guys, but take that article that Scott wrote, with a grain of salt. Matter of fact don't waist your time reading it.

im curious , what makes you say that?

First please understand I am not criticizing you. I can fully understand why you liked this article. But imo the writer is wrong about crushing whites. If calibrated correctly your 141/101 should not have that problem, unless the BD or source has errors.

These quotes are just for starters. Also I would like to know what BD player he used. DRE was beat to death on the 8G elite thread. Bottom line there was it hurts the image more than it helps.
Also I would like to know what he used to do the calibration with.

If you want to waist your time then read it, then you should understand what I am saying. Particularly considering that this article was written "January, 2009." And states at the top of the page. Pioneer Elite PRO-101FD Plasma Monitor


"The menu is improved somewhat over previous models, even those of 9G vintage"

"When you first enter the menu system, you still see only a list of main categories, such as Picture, Sound, etc."

"I calibrated the grayscale and color-management system from the user menu rather than using the Sencore software"

"turning to HQV Benchmark on HD DVD at 1080i via HDMI
Real-World Performance
As usual, I started with chapter 8 of Mission: Impossible III on HD DVD at 1080i."

"To test the white-clipping issue, I played some of Antarctica Dreaming on Blu-ray from HDScape—plenty of snow scenes on that title. Whites did seem clipped when DRE was off, flattening and washing out the image. Setting DRE to High made the picture look too contrasty, but Low looked fine."

"It's difficult to think of another flat panel that I can fairly compare with the PRO-101FD—except another Pioneer Kuro set. The PRO-111FD is about equal to the PRO-101FD in terms of black level, peak-white level, and other picture attributes. The only significant differences are that the PRO-111FD has an onboard audio system and tuner as well as Home Media Gallery, and it comes with a table-top stand, all for an additional $500. If these things are worth the extra dough to you, go for it. If not, you get the same picture quality with the PRO-101FD for $500 less. "

For the remote controls, I went with Harmony. (890 pro, but it took two replacements units from Logitech to get one where all the buttons work perfectly. I'm also waiting on a third replacement unit for an 880... The 880/890/890 pro series really has a QC problem.)

Dan.

NBC's HD broadcast of the US Figure Skating Championships looks absolutely amazing on my 141FD the afternoon. I continue to be blown away by the PQ of this monitor!

I actually thought the Ultimate AV review was 'fair & balanced'. I have seen the same effect on my 151 with DRE engaged & disengaged. Since I see white clipping on both my Pioneer 05 (with all 05 settings at default) and on my PS3, I've come to the conclusion the new Kuros do indeed have a bit of white clipping.

I can easily dial it out by dropping brightness 1 click on the 05, but unfortunately there's no way to do that on the PS3. But I have found exactly what the author found, that engaging DRE at any level causes the white clipping issue to disappear. Frankly I'd rather keep the DRE off, so I use the 05 with the proper brightness settings.

I also think the author was fair in saying the PQ was the same on the monitors vs. the regular Elites and the choice really comes down to features (of which panel thickness could be one).

While I've yet to read anything convincing on whether the Signature has better PQ or not vs. its Elite cousin I do think that a nice feature of the Signature monitors is it's elimination of some of the features on the TVs which just get in the way. I see a picture of the 151 with those side speakers and I just think it looks odd and excessively wide. I think the 141 looks much more elegant than the 151 with its speakers. People are less than thrilled with the tuner performance on the Kuro TVs which can easily be surpassed by an external tuner (and stand-alone tuners just keep getting better and better all the time). It's also nice to have the reduced power consumption and heat output of the monitors over the TVs. I'd have to go back and play with the 151 again but I recall that their menu system is more cumbersome than that on the 141. The 141 is proving more and more to be the perfect solution for me, especially running several inputs with various resolutions (I run HDMI, DVI, HD through VGA, and S-Video). I've been watching video via my HTPC on my 141 since day one and it's been a terrific performer. I've started using the PIP feature now which is also superior to that of the TVs. I also like the IP control of the 141 and hope to exploit that even more later. There’s still a few things that I would like to see improved in a display (like absolutely no chance of burn-in or IR, much lower power consumption, improved SD performance [fuga maybe?]) but this was the first display to meet my needs and have a PQ that I can be happy with. This is what I've been waiting for all these years and I'm thrilled that I finally own such a display.