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post #2341 of 5267
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

I heard of some cases where they replaced some boards that is very rare.

Same here. But I think mainly on non sig series.
post #2342 of 5267
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Originally Posted by FEARSOMEFAN View Post

Has anyone had their 141 looked at AND repaired by a service center to fix the buzzing problem? If so, what was the cause and/or fix? I have been told it might be a power supply. Anyone have the power supply replaced? I talked to a Pioneer rep and he told me to contact a local service center and that they'll know exactly what it is and that "it's an easy fix". I called........they have no clue. Before I move further I would like to get your thoughts or experience with this issue. Any Buzzers out there?

If the buzz is coming mainly from the front of the set (the glass panel itself), it can't be fixed and if it is indeed "too loud", then I believe that the unit has to be replaced. I'm not sure how big a variation there is between different glass panels.

If the buzz is more audible from the rear of the set, then it is the "electronics" buzz and should not be audible from the viewing position. If it is, then it can be fixed by replacing boards in the unit.

You can find the thread dedicated to the Pioneer "buzz" here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1044254

Dan.
post #2343 of 5267
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Originally Posted by info_dan View Post


You can find the thread dedicated to the Pioneer "buzz" here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1044254

Dan.

Thanks guys, I have started to direct my attention and posts on this issue to the "buzz" thread.
I do however want to get your thoughts on what effect using the power save mode has on the calibration settings. Given the drop in brightness in power save mode, are there any changes made in the calibration settings? Do I need to compensate for the effect? Does the panel need to be re-calibrated for power save mode? Thanks
post #2344 of 5267
I feel like I just bought an Edsel.
post #2345 of 5267
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Originally Posted by elphillips View Post

I feel like I just bought an Edsel.

Bad analogy. The Edsel was a weird-looking car and not particularly good.

The Kuro is the best display available.
post #2346 of 5267
sk20, Your right. I have a 151fd I'm giving to my son and daughter-in law, and a 141fd due for delivery Monday, from ROMAN O.
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You are a great dad!
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

You are a great dad!

No kidding!
post #2349 of 5267
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Originally Posted by elphillips View Post

sk20, Your right. I have a 151fd I'm giving to my son and daughter-in law, and a 141fd due for delivery Monday, from ROMAN O.

I am your son too. Can I have 141FD. You can buy another one daddy LOL

I am seriously thinking to stock 141FD in addition to 150FD before its too late.
post #2350 of 5267
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Originally Posted by rehanfarrukh View Post

I am your son too. Can I have 141FD. You can buy another one daddy LOL

I am seriously thinking to stock 141FD in addition to 150FD before its too late.

Jst when I think i couldnt love my 141 anymore we get this horrible news about pioneer and peoples jobs.

My 141 is now a collectors item.

The good news is 141/151 will now own the best display for a lot longer. We wont see better displays coming to market for while. No company is working on elite type products.
post #2351 of 5267
I am having my 141 calibrated March 1st. I have never had a display calibrated before. Anything I should know? Ask about? Make sure of?
post #2352 of 5267
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

I am having my 141 calibrated March 1st. I have never had a display calibrated before. Anything I should know? Ask about? Make sure of?

There is a lot you should know.

1. Has your calibrator ever done a 141.

2. Learn the basics on how to read a calibration report, or post the report here. Ask to see other calibration reports that your calibrator has generated on his past calibrations of 141.

3.What tools does he use.

4. Does he use Controlcal. And what does he think of the differences between doing a ISFccc calibration and not doing a ISFccc calibration.

These are just some of the basic questions you may want to ask.
post #2353 of 5267
Thread Starter 
Turbe,

does the recent news fron pioneer impact your plans to release the next version of controlcal?
post #2354 of 5267
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

I am having my 141 calibrated March 1st. I have never had a display calibrated before. Anything I should know? Ask about? Make sure of?

who is calibrating your display?

You should make sure your calibrator uses controlcal.

You will see great improvements if your calibrator does a good job. Make he/she calibrates the ISFccc modes.

****Curiously are there any female calibrators?
post #2355 of 5267
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

who is calibrating your display?

You should make sure your calibrator uses controlcal.

You will see great improvements if your calibrator does a good job. Make he/she calibrates the ISFccc modes.

Curiously are there any female calibrators?

Just because a calibrator uses Controlcal, doesn't mean he is a good calibrator.

Yes you are right when you said "if your calibrator does a good job"
My question to you is how do you really know if he has done the best calibration for your display?
And please don't tell me because it looks better or I like the way It looks.

That's the biggest problem with calibrations done today. Folks don't really have a clue, other than it sure looks better.

btw: If the calibrator doesn't bring up ISFccc calibration, that's a red flag.
post #2356 of 5267
Chad Billheimer will be calibrating my display. He has indicated he will calibrate the ISFccc modes. I will ask if he uses ContolCal, but Turbe has indicated that he does.

I will post the reports. I definitely don't know how to read them, but I do love to learn.
post #2357 of 5267
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

Turbe,

does the recent news fron pioneer impact your plans to release the next version of controlcal?

no, I like this project and of course there is a 141 here
post #2358 of 5267
Hi all,
I know this probably have been answered before. Sorry for asking!
I am between the 6020/151/141. I don't need the stand, but I need the speakers. Can I get Pioneer speakers for the 141? How much do they cost?

Salesman at BB said even if I buy speakers for 141, it will not work because there is no circuitry to connect the wires. Is that true?

Finally, I love a great picture, but I am not somebody who will be changing settings and do too much tweaking. I am planning to use the set to watch blu-ray movies, standard dvd and live broadcast sports. Would the 6020 be close in PQ if professionally calibrated to the 151/141?

Thanks for any input.
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Originally Posted by gugy View Post

Hi all,
I know this probably have been answered before. Sorry for asking!
I am between the 6020/151/141. I don't need the stand, but I need the speakers. Can I get Pioneer speakers for the 141? How much do they cost?

Salesman at BB said even if I buy speakers for 141, it will not work because there is no circuitry to connect the wires. Is that true?

Finally, I love a great picture, but I am not somebody who will be changing settings and do too much tweaking. I am planning to use the set to watch blu-ray movies, standard dvd and live broadcast sports. Would the 6020 be close in PQ if professionally calibrated to the 151/141?

Thanks for any input.

You cant hook speakers up to the 141 because there is no internal amp to power them.
post #2360 of 5267
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Originally Posted by gugy View Post

Would the 6020 be close in PQ if professionally calibrated to the 151/141?

Thanks for any input.

It should be close enough for you if you get one of the calibrators recommended by the AVS members in the non-Elite owner's thread. If money isn't a big factor, then the 151 does everything the 141 does. No matter what you get, a modest 5.1 surround system would add a lot of pleasure to your movie experience.

In 2007 I went with the 6010, an upgraded audio system, and a calibration by UMR for both of them. My interests are a lot like yours, and I don't tweek either.
post #2361 of 5267
Thanks Vancouver and htwaits!

I have a 5.1 system, but because I have kids and my wife watches Oprah, I don't want to have the receiver on at all times. So I guess that is a downside for me regarding the 141. I just love the slim profile.

I might consider then the 6020, since calibrated will be close to Elite. I am wondering if they will lower prices after the possible announcement that Pioneer will stop producing Plasmas. Money is an issue for me in some way, unfortunately.
post #2362 of 5267
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Originally Posted by gugy View Post

Money is an issue for me in some way, unfortunately.

For me too.

Keep in touch with Roman O, and you will be able to get reliable information as it develops.
post #2363 of 5267
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

I am sorry to report that I will not be getting a Oppo BD-83 anytime soon.

However for you owners of a Pioneer BD-09 I will be posting settings for are 141, maybe a week from Sunday.


Hi SillySally -

I know this is the 141FD thread, but would you care to elaborate on your decision process? Am following this, as well as the BD-09 thread, and trying to make a "buy now or wait for the Oppo" decision. Was going to wait, and of course, was looking forward to (once again) stealing your settings. Now am not so sure.

I know that the BD-09 is getting some very positive initial reviews, and given you are now jumping into that boat, am seriously considering doing the same.

Am wondering if you are privy to insider info on the Oppo beta-test results, and whether that has caused you to take the BD-09 plunge. Oh well, probably not fair to ask if this is the case, but would still appreciate your advice. Am loving the 141FD more every day. Am also very happy with the 5.1 audio of my Denon 3808ci. But I think my Panny BD-30 is about to get kicked off the team....

Thanks.

Hook
post #2364 of 5267
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Originally Posted by ghook2020 View Post

Hi SillySally -

I know this is the 141FD thread, but would you care to elaborate on your decision process? Am following this, as well as the BD-09 thread, and trying to make a "buy now or wait for the Oppo" decision. Was going to wait, and of course, was looking forward to (once again) stealing your settings. Now am not so sure.

I know that the BD-09 is getting some very positive initial reviews, and given you are now jumping into that boat, am seriously considering doing the same.

Am wondering if you are privy to insider info on the Oppo beta-test results, and whether that has caused you to take the BD-09 plunge. Oh well, probably not fair to ask if this is the case, but would still appreciate your advice. Am loving the 141FD more every day. Am also very happy with the 5.1 audio of my Denon 3808ci. But I think my Panny BD-30 is about to get kicked off the team....

Thanks.

Hook

Hi Hook.

First please understand I am always trying to get the best PQ/AQ I can get for my viewing enjoyment. However the best may just be a small increase in PQ/AQ.

My point is the BD-09 is not the best bang for the buck, if you weigh in diminishing returns and that also goes for the other big three BD players. Plus the fact that if you are going to go the big three route you would also need to calibrate it for your display or get lucky and be able to use someones settings.

As far as the new Oppo BD-83 goes and how good it will compare to whats on the market, my guess is that it will be a top contender for best bang for the buck.

In conclusion my advice would be, wait for some more reviews to come out for the BD-09. As you know I will be posting my calibration report and ISF night mode settings for my 141 and BD-09.

btw; I am not saying I will never get a Oppo BD-83, that all depends on how good the BD-09 is for my display and my system for AQ.

Peter.
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post


As far as the new Oppo BD-83 goes and how good it will compare to whats on the market, my guess is that it will be a top contender for best bang for the buck.

well as a digital transport is going to do as good a job as any player regardless of price unless oppo will add some type of post processing which deters from the original source or there is a problem with the decoder. Don't you think?

I am expecting the Oppo to look just like my PS3 when calibrated to my 141. As long as no reviews point out problems it should be a go for me.
post #2366 of 5267
Just took delivery of a 141fd, thanks to ROMAN O. Reminded me that my first big screen was a Pioneer 45" RP/CRT in 1987. As far as I know it was Pio's first tv on the market. The line up was 40, 45 and 50 inch. The cabinets were MDF with real oak veneer. It was the center piece of my first HT, along with a Batamax, Yamaha's first surround processor and a stack of Parasound stereo amp's. The Batamax soon gave way to a Pio' laser disc player. The way things are looking, I've had Pioneer's first tv and, maybe, their last tv. Bummer dudes and dudeses. Now, with my new set, I need to find out which is going to work best with my wire coat hanger, tin foil or aluminum foil.
post #2367 of 5267
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

well as a digital transport is going to do as good a job as any player regardless of price unless oppo will add some type of post processing which deters from the original source or there is a problem with the decoder. Don't you think?

I am expecting the Oppo to look just like my PS3 when calibrated to my 141. As long as no reviews point out problems it should be a go for me.

Yes of course that is correct. However why did you buy the 141. Why not just get a 60" non elite Kuro. If all you want is a display.

It is for this reason why I am getting a BD-09. And also why I have stated that you should have a calibration done if you are going to get one of the big three.
Just as when you got your 141, I am sure you always had planed to get it calibrated. And I am sure why you got the 141 is because you wanted the best overall PQ.

Please do not miss understand me at this point. I have not gotten the BD-09 as yet, I am waiting for Robert to ship it. Once I get it and calibrate it for my 141, then and only then can I say for sure that it really does raise the bar.

And what changed my mind about getting the BD-09 over the Oppo BD-83 is what I am now seeing with my BD-51. Using firmware 1.21 for the BD-51 and recalibrating, I have now taken my Blu ray viewing to a whole new level.
In a different post I touched on what I am seeing now. Link Below.
http://www.controlcal.com/forum/show...2&postcount=13
post #2368 of 5267
BTW: I am changing HDMI color space, from 4:2:2: to 4:4:4:. In my settings post for are 141 and BD-51/05.

So you see vancouver, I am just not using my BD-51 as just a transport.
post #2369 of 5267
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

BTW: I am changing HDMI color space, from 4:2:2: to 4:4:4:.

Why are you going back to 4:4:4? I know you said you liked 4:2:2 better with 1.21 so just curious as to why you went back.
post #2370 of 5267
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Originally Posted by dmcfan View Post

Why are you going back to 4:4:4? I know you said you liked 4:2:2 better with 1.21 so just curious as to why you went back.

When I did my calibration I had the BD-05/51 set to 4:2:2:.
However I did say that a HQ BD would be better with my new settings.

After viewing BDs using 4:4:4: for two or three days, I found that for over all the different BDs quality's that 4:4:4: was the best.

And this leads me to a important note. That is, when you first get new settings for your display and source, take a few days to get use to how they really look. What I have found is that after I do a calibration, not to jump to any conclusions. Its almost like It takes a day or two for your new settings to really work they way into your display. And then after that they will stay constant.
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