Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 9

I think the benefit of being one of the first here to have one outweighs that

Well you can officially kiss that notion goodbye

Let's just say that from my experience today the Buzz, blotch, streak, and dead/stuck pixels with the 141 are still there. In fact, every one of them was there

That's depressing---please elaborate. Thanks

Wow, I guess its still a numbers game, but I would like to see more reports.

Depressing because the Sig series production regimen is theoretically geared to providing the highest QC Pioneer can offer. If all that results are more panels with buzz/streak/blotch/pixel issues, what is the purpose of "hand-selecting" components. Not particularly encouraging for those of us will to pay more for peace of mind and a near-perfect set.

Sorry guys, I was busy with work so I could only post short bursts. To elaborate - I went through multiple 141 panels today and found that they all buzzed fairly loudly (which actually didn't bother me at all), two of them had uniformity issues (blotch, streaks) and all of them had at least one dead pixel.

Now, this doesn't mean these panels were bad in any way. In fact I'm positive there could be no warranty claim on any of them. But they are far from perfect as the literature seems to suggest.

How many panels did you manage to inspect?

Some things I noticed are:

1 - Single dead pixels are tough to spot farther than a few feet from the screen and impossible to spot using normal viewing material.

2 - The blotchiness/streaks with these panels are DEFINITELY a front filter problem as I could spot the same pattern with the screen completely powered off.

3 - The loudest buzzing of all was with the screen either black or white (black surprised me)

This is why I said unless you took out 6 141s and 6 151s and laid them out side by side, I don't think you can come to any conclusion. So we now have three 141s and one of them has the same issues. It would be interesting to see if that same % holds for 151s, but a sample of 3 is way too small.

Xrox, swap it out! You paid for this 'additional QC' and you should have received it!

And once again xrox, how many panels did you get a chance to inspect?

Thanks

OK, I thought the panel was one you bought. So from a QC standpoint, it appears they are no different than the 151s. I think some of us are not all that surprised. But xrox, where did you get to do this panel assessing?

Also, xrox, what was the build date on those buzzing panels?

Forgive my ignorance, but can you detail how you were able to compare multiple 141's?

Did you buy a set?

Are you a dealer?

3 Sorry I deleted my post as I realized I'm not supposed to post certain info according my dealer. Check your PM.

I will do my own poll on the 141's as I have done on 151's and no complaints on 151's as of yet of buzzing, blotching, pixels so we will see on the 141's but I think it will be the same.

How far away do you think you could hear the buzzing? There is no big deal if you have to be less than 5 feet from it, but if you can clearly hear it at over 10 feet then it is a problem.

Jesus Christ.

I guess I might was well just forget about Pioneer entirely then. I have a feeling there's going to be an empty spot on my wall for a while. Maybe I'll invest the TV money into something with some real quality control, like Chinese toothpaste.



I have a feeling if I get the 141 and it's a dead-pixel'd, blotchy, buzzing mess, I'll be stuck with it and I'll have a hard time convincing Ultimate to take it back after all this.

Well, not really.........but, yet another 141 going up!



John

rlarsen, what does Jesus Christ have to do with it? Topless Women, like John mentioned are more relevant to the thread!

That would be surprising since I personally have several friends now who own either the 8G or 9G Pioneer panels and I have never seen a dead pixel yet. In fact, I have 4 flat panels in my home from 22 inches to 60 from 3 different vendors and not 1 dead pixel.

Also with blotchiness and smearing, I guess that was another thing that I haven't been able to spot.

Now, the buzzing I get. Amazingly my 151 has almost no buzz now. I guess it has to do with the pitch. The pitch went down for sme reason to a level I can barely hear. As others have said, a white screen (i.e. Google.com) causes most buzzing. But I am glad my buzz pitch is lower now. Thankfully, I never had a panel that was a big buzzer in any case

So based on my experience it would be hard to imagine the 141 having lower QA than the 151. Also, it's really hard to have multiple panels with dead pixels at the same time. These are very infrequent random events, unless there is a manufacturing problem, in which case it will show up in all Pioneer panels.

FWIW, 10 years ago I used to work for a company that designs chip fabrication equipment, so I'm speaking from some limited experience here with respect to quality and seeing random problems (defects as opposed to 'works as designed' type stuff).

IF what you say is true, then Pioneer should withdraw this panel! Imagine buying Runcos with dead pixels and smearng etc. Or for that matter Fujitsus when they were in the thick of it

Alright then, I'll use Holy Strippers as my exclamation-of-disgust of choice.