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They could have replaced a cracked panel for all you know in which case it would benefit from a break-in.

StarmanT, do you know what was repaired on your monitor?

Hi folks - been reading the board for the last month or two - and pulled the trigger on a new 141 that arrived last weekend. Michael will be at my place (in Toronto) on Monday to calibrate it ... but he said I got his last available slot this trip.

Just wanted to say thanks for all the excellent advice that's shared here - had a lot to do with my decision - and WHAT A PICTURE!!

- Richard

Don't forget to give us a post calibration report..

If they use ControlCal it will be good

Welcome to all you new 141 owners.

It seems that a some of you are going to have calibrations done asap.

Beware, not all calibrations are equally as good. Learn how to read a calibration report. Know how good a job is being done on your display before the calibrator leaves. Here are two calibration reports that you can look at and compare.

See links and attachments

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post15818847

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...6&d=1232085344

LOL, cherry pick, assume.

Those are the only reports posted on this thread.
And yes this is a problem when a client like you or anybody has no clue to what there reports says.

I am sorry if you don't have any confidence in your calibration report.

And yes that is the reason why I took the time to learn how to read these reports and learn how to do a good ISF calibration. And buy pro grade hardware and software.

And this is why I share my settings and post my reports, In hopes that I can help others.

And as far as I know I am the only one posting ISF settings for are 141 on AVS.

I invite you to do what I do for this thread, but I doubt you will spend the time and money to be able to do what I can do.

If you don't agree with me that I do a good service for this thread then I will remove my settings and not post here.

I would like to see settings for a PS3 BD driving the 141. Has anyone here calibrated this combination?

Hi Micheal.

Yes matter of fact a pro calibrator should take more than one reading. Just to be sure the first reading was not faults and other reasons. Also they should retake readings for gray scale after they are done setting the color gamut and master color setting.
As far as "multiple readings can be taken until a desired look on the report can be achieved" I say LOL to that.
The reason is simple, you may get one set of numbers in one IRE point, but not all in a complete report. Some were along the line you would trip yourself up. Plus the fact that a pro calibrator should be using a very reliable and also calibrated meter. If they are then there should not be much of a swing when a second reading is taken.
I know this to be a fact because of the hardware i use.

Anyway why are we having this debate? You and I are both consumers, we have no interest in any monetary gains.
All I am trying to do is educate the consumer on how they can tell what a good calibration is. And also by posting a good ISF calibration along with settings and report, this gives the consumer (us) what they can expect and help them to explain to there calibrator what they like and dislike in there display.

Sorry I don't have a PS3 so no there are no ISF settings here.

If someone that lives locale to me, then I invite them over with there PS3 and I will do a calibration for are 141 and PS3.

OK you like 0 setting for brightness, so here you go.
btw, I like these 0 brightness settings better than my +1 settings.

Pioneer 9G Elite Monitor 141 ISF-Night Settings.
I used a Pioneer BD-09 for these settings
Frame Rate Auto, Resolution Auto, High speed on.
Video settings, PDP Pioneer

You will need Controlcal to unlock ISF Modes.

Picture Settings:
AV Selection: ISF-Night
Contrast: 24
Brightness:0
Color: +2
Tint: 0
Sharpness: -15

Pure Cinema: 2 (Advance)
Black Level: 0 (Off)
CTI: 0 (Off)
Color Space: 2
Color Temp: 6 (Manual)
Screen size 0 (Dot By Dot)

ACL: 0 (Off)
3DYC: 2
I-P Mode: 2
Text Optimization: 0 (Off)
Intelligent Mode: 0 (Off)
DRE Picture: 0 (Off)

Enhancer Mode: 1
Block NR: 0 (Off)
3DNR: 0 (Off)
Field NR: 0 (Off)
Mosquito NR: 0 (Off)

Power Save Mode: Off
Orbiter: Mode 0

RGB Controls
R High: +3
G High: 0
B High: +14
R Low: -1
G Low: 0
B Low:-2

Color Management
R: 0
Y: +1
G: 0
C: 0
B: 0
M: 0

Gamma
10%R 0
10%G 0
10%B 0
20%R 0
20%G 0
20%B 0
30%R 0
30%G 0
30%B 0
40%R 0
40%G 0
40%B 0
50%R 0
50%G 0
50%B 0
60%R 0
60%G 0
60%B 0
70%R 0
70%G 0
70%B 0
80%R 0
80%G 0
80%B 0
90%R 0
90%G 0
90%B 0

Template by D-Nice

Here is a link to my ISF night settings and report for my panny BD-55. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post15333328

Here is a link to my ISF night settings and report for my pio BD-51. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post15546767

 

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Michael Chen will be calibrating my 141 Sunday afternoon, just in time for the Oscars.

Hello to all,

Forgot to give a report on my screen size IR codes issue. Turns out there is an error in the "2008 ELITE MONITOR CODES" from Pioneer. The "command" for the direct screen size codes should begin with AA5E, not AA53.

Here are the pronto codes, which Logitech entered into my Harmony, and they work fine. Thanks to jrannison for providing me with the source information!

DOT BY DOT AA5E+AF30

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00B4 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 03DD 0168 00B4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 03DD

4:3 AA5E+AF31

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00B4 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 03DD 0168 00B4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 03DD

FULL 1 AA5E+AF32

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00B4 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 03DD 0168 00B4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 03DD

FULL2 AA5E+AF34

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00B4 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 03DD 0168 00B4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 03DD

FULL 14:9 AA5E+AF36

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00B4 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 03DD 0168 00B4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 03DD

ZOOM AA5E+AF33

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00B4 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 03DD 0168 00B4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 03DD

WIDE 1 AA5E+AF35

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00B4 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 03DD 0168 00B4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 03DD

WIDE 2 AA5E+AF37

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00B4 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 03DD 0168 00B4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 03DD

CINEMA AA5E+AF38

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00B4 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 03DD 0168 00B4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 03DD

CINEMA 14:9 AA5E+AF39

0000 0068 0000 0044 0168 00B4 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 03DD 0168 00B4 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0016 0043 0016 0043 0016 03DD

Dan.

I called Pioneer and gave my serial number. They said a "Y - board" was replaced, which means the panel has not been replaced. But they couldnt tell me how many hours the tv had been used. They said a service person could come out and get that info from the tv. So I guess I still dont know if "break-in period" is needed. Thanks for the suggestion.


In reply to:

They could have replaced a cracked panel for all you know in which case it would benefit from a break-in.

StarmanT, do you know what was repaired on your monitor?

Are there any cards or certification papers that a calaibrator carries to ensure that he/she is qualified to calibrate a 141? Can I simply trust the "calibrators" that the authorized dealers want to send me? Any recommendations on a really good one that serves the Greater Toronto Area?

Yes I saw that, I thought that there might be an updated version to that list. Perhaps organizing it to geographic location instead of names might be easier for someone to find a calibrator in his area.

What do u guys think? Does everything seem to be on target here? Thats all he gave me.

Look at his avatar--he looks like Beethoven with a migraine. Of *course* he's touchy!

I use a PS3 with my 141 and use CalMAN Pro with an I1 Pro myself but I've had absolutely zero time to do any calibrations in the last few months..

The 141 is an interesting Display, different than the Elite TV's in regards to how the AV selections operate.

Make sure your Calibrator has ControlCAL and the proper Display Profile. It's not really a problem any more since nearly every Professional globally working on Pioneers use ControlCAL. There are a few out there of course that don't have ControlCAL yet or have ControlCAL but don't have the Display Profile for the Monitors yet...


This LIST is always current (for North America).

CANADA
Gregg Loewen at Lion AV - ISFccc [8G] [9G] [M] - Serving Maritime Canada.
Michael Chen at The Laser Video Experience / Lion AV Affiliate - ISFccc [8G] [9G] [M] - Tours - Calgary & Edmonton and Central / Southern Alberta and the adjacent Provinces.
Michael Osadciw at The Highest Fidelity - ISFccc [8G] [9G] [M] - Serving Southern Ontario Canada, Stoney Creek based (Call 905-730-5996).
Richard Stokes at Finely Tuned - ISFccc [8G] [9G] [M] - Serving Vancouver BC Canada.
Mark Kaye at AVFusion - ISFccc [8G] [9G] [M] - Serving Eastern Ontario & Western Quebec.
Paul Thorsen at Experience Home Theatre - ISFccc [8G] [9G] [M] - Serving Vancouver lowermainland, Fraser Valley, Vancouver Island, Okanagan, Sunshine Coast and Whistler BC Canada.

btw, Michael Chen has done a few (and probably several by now) 141FD calibrations with ControlCAL.



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You have nothing to worry about with Kevin..

Do you just use default settings or have you made some adjustments that you're happy with for now?

I would love to work up some SD settings but I'm on my own for that since I have an unusual setup (C/Ku big dish satellite recorded on a Panasonic DVDR). I still watch quite a bit of this SD content along with ATSC HD through my HTPC. I got to take the time to pull out my instrument rack to hook up a serial cable to the HTPC and hook up the LD player. Oh well, got to go off and do an audit on my wine cellar right now so CalMAN work will again be put off.

Thanks for the info info_dan.

That's another thing I've been meaning to get to ... reprogram my universals. I'm using a handful of remotes again even though one of them is a universal. My wife would be SOL if I left her alone with the system right now.

I would have guessed that the refurb work included resetting your usage hours meter on the unit but it looks like that’s not the case. Do as Vancouver suggested and have your monitor send you the usage hours via E-Mail. Look at your manual and the first post in this thread for networking info.

P.S. You can also hit the Pioneer web site to check on the factory greyscale mini-calibration report for your specific unit. I wonder if they redid this after the refurb?