Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 99

Looks custom built.

Yea, it was custom all right. Custom height, depth, # and spacing of shelves, # and spacing of holes to adjust the shelves, removable/ stationary/open back pc's with openings for cables, added overhang in the back to hides cables better when viewing from the side, custom knobs, the list goes on......

At risk of going way OT, I often wonder how having a speaker so perfectly fit into a cabinet sounds. Is it good, bad or indifferent? I would think it would take some precaution to prevent it from having any effect at all.

BTW, looks amazing.

It makes absolutely no sound difference with the speaker is inside or outside the cabinet. I don't think it wouldn't matter with most speakers for that matter. The speaker isn't ported in the back and has direct firing drivers and is very well dampened (49 lbs). I upgraded from my earlier Linn AV 5120 to the Linn's reference AKURATE 225 as show. When I had the cabinet made I had them make the opening 12 ¼” tall, the speaker is just shy of 12. I didn’t want a big gap showing since I was already paying for custom, so why not?

I'm going to have my Kuro 141 and my Elite 09 BD player calibrated with David Evans at
21st Century Calibrations Inc this week and I have a couple of questions.

I'm going to have two inputs ISF calibrated, both for day & night modes. One will be for my 09 (one input), the other will be for my DTV feed (second input to 141).

Which baseline settings do you recommend on the 141 for calibration purposes?

FILM MODE-off, standard, smooth, or advance?

AV SELECTION-optimum, standard, dynamic, movie, pure, sport, game or user?

AUTO SIZE-off, natural, wide zoom?

thanks!

Actually, mounting a speaker like that will indeed change it's sound characteristics in some ways. And probably not for the better.

A setup like that pretty much changes the entire front baffle of the speaker by effectively making it larger than it was designed to be. Everything is taken into account when designing speakers, enclosure/cabinet size H/W/D, enclosure/cabinet internal volume, ported or not, if ported port location, baffle size, the location of the speaker drivers on the baffle. All of that effects the crossover design requirements of a speaker. And if you mount a speaker in a cabinet like that, you are effectively making the baffle much larger than it was designed to be, even though it is not actually making the speakers baffle itself physically larger, it is still going to act like a much larger front baffle. And doing that throws off the original design of the speaker, and it will indeed change the speakers sound characteristics.

Where you place speakers in a room, corner or not, close to or far from a wall, toe in, all can effect how they sound.
So most certainly mounting a speaker enclosed like that in a cabinet will effect it's sound characteristics as well.
But being that this is a center channel speaker, you just may not notice it as much as you would like in something more like a critical listening two channel stereo setup.

That's a great set-up! who build's that cabinett? If you don't mind me asking, I love it!

Yes!

I'm a first time poster and a new owner of a 141FD. Adios to the DLP.

I'm not planning on doing any kind of special break in, I was just going to watch movies and TV. Since it was pre-aged at the factory, and this seems to be the land of 141FD experts, about how many more hours will I need before I should consider getting a calibration done?

Looks like I have a lot of manual and forum reading to do, but for now..
I'm back to movieland...

I think you would want to have at least 150 hours, before calibration.

David does use conrol cal and has all sorts of test equipment.

Video Test Equipment:

Konica Minolta CS-200 (Chroma Meter)
Progressive Labs C-5 with software (Tristimulus Color Analyzer)
ControlCal - 8th / 9th Gen Pioneer Elite plasma
ControlCal - 9th Gen Pioneer Non Elite plasma
Sencore - CP6000 (ColorPro Color Analyzer)
Sencore - CP5000 (ColorPro Color Analyzer)
Sencore - ACP6500 (Auto Calibration Pro)
Sencore - VP403CSH (VideoPro Multimedia Video Generator)
Sencore - accuGray DC14
DataColor - ISF C3 interface for Pioneer Elite
Sony - PVM96 ( D65 Reference Video Monitor)
Numerous test and reference DVDs

Am I correct in assuming that since the calibration adjusts the 141 much deeper than the baseline set up menus do, then it doesn't matter what the TV is set?

I'm bringing this up because I didn't want to scew the calibration based on having the TV set to "game", but perhaps it's a moot point?

AV SELECTION-optimum, standard, dynamic, movie, pure, sport, game or user? Make sure your calibrator using control cal and calibrates the ISF modes. If he does not use control call then choose a different calibrator.
WHICH AV SELECTION SETTING DO YOU RECOMMEND?

Speaking of break-in period, isn't there a web site/URL to get an image to create a DVD that it used for burning in the display?

Is that what most people on this forum do for break-in? is it self explanatory as to how to do the breaking in?
thanks,
Steve

As Vancouver mentioned it's dependent on the speaker. As I'm sure you know some speakers are designed for TH where such applications are commonplace & recommended by the manufacture.

Case in point (from the Linn manual).

I think this is the one everyone uses. I ran it for 3-4 day's & turned if off in the evenings.

http://www.eaprogramming.com/downloa...nload_main.htm

I have been looking for the what I thought the correct height would be for a 141, and I had come to a height of 26.5" inches to 27". I will be using a sectional couch to watch off of. What is the total height of you stand which looks great.
Allen

If a speaker is designed to be enclosed in that manner, then yes it probably will work fine that way because it was designed to.
BUT! You originally claimed when you said, "It makes absolutely no sound difference with the speaker is inside or outside the cabinet. I don't think it wouldn't matter with most speakers for that matter." that you don't "think" that it would make a difference with just about any speaker. And that simply is not true, as it does indeed make a difference.

My cabinet is 24" tall. That leaves me 2 3/4" from the top of the cabinet to the bottom of the 141 bezel.

Let me just tell you that you are in very good hands with David

-Turbe

Yea your right, I stand corrected on that blanket claim. Opps.

To be clearer, I should have said that it shouldn't make a sound difference with many other similarly designed high performance A/V center channel speakers.

I read your comments often on BD-09 and 141 Owners forum. Really impressed with your set up. Looks slick. I am sending the link to my dealer as I am sure they would find it pleasing. Curious what you find teh VansEvers like. Have you also considered replacing your AC chord on the BD-09 or Denon?

Thanks
caryw

I am a new 141 owner as well, and a bdp-05 player. Tv looks lovely on the wall, but it has no power at all.
Plugged it all in, nothing happens, no standby/power lights of any kind and no response from the remote or the power buttong on the tv.
Am I missing something obvious?

There is a physical switch you have to push in to start it the first time. Look in the manual--it shows you where the switch is located.

You're about the seventh person to run into this, so don't feel bad.

I've had the VansEvers power conditioner in my system for awhile and have been very happy with its performance. At the time, I upgraded my model 85 to the reference series that added cryogenically treated outlets and something else. I really have no reason to change. If I did it would be one of the Shunyata Research Hydra's. I spoke to the national sales rep for Shunyata while back and he had nothing but praise for Mike VanEvers. I guess the business side of things wasn't his forte so he went out of business years ago.

I haven't seriously considered replacing my CD cords on my 09 or 5308, but may in the future. Personally, I think I would gain more from power cord upgrades for my music only system than I would with my home theater, but I have an open mind. I would love to audition one with my 09 or 5308 and see what difference it makes. Are you thinking of such an upgrade yourself?

That’s reassuring, he sounds like a great calibrator. He’ll be at my house for most of the day tomorrow. I’m looking forward seeing him in action.

I have tried the physical power button on the bottom front right underneath the panel, no luck....unless there is one more magic button somewhere that I am missing.
Edit!!! found it, opposite side.
THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You better look again, of course that was not quoting you nor was it implied that it was you that said that.
That was clearly quoting a post made by blownaway, not you.

Thanks for the advice. After reading most of this forum, I'm not sure if indeed I should switch my mind follow the break in procedure and buy controlcal and figure that all out? I read somewhere along the line someone said they thought the 141 was preaged 100 hours, so maybe only 50 more hours of breakin would be needed, but from what you say I guess thats not true? I couldn't find the preage hours in any Pioneer documentation.

Anyway, all I can say after 1 day with the 141 is UFB! And that was with an Oppo 983 in Movie mode. Love it.