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post #3001 of 5267
Pioneer Monitor: Strange Behavior when turned on
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Folks, I have owned the monitor for the last 5 months. Since last couple of weeks, I have noticed a strange behavior when I turn the monitor on. With no input devices switched on, when I turn on the monitor, I see that the entire screen is grey and then it slowly turns a bit darker (but not as black as when the monitor is entirely switched off). This behavior is clearly visible at night (and not so much during day time). While watching wide screen movies with top/bottom bars, the bars are not as black as I thought they used to be. May be it was always like that but I just happened to notice it. I did not change any settings on the monitor. Can someone test this on their monitor and let me know if they have the same observations? Thanks
post #3002 of 5267
I have a question? After having my 141fd calibrated for isfcccnight and day, I just realized that I didn't have my denon 3800bdci's resolution set to 1080p24- instead it was just set to 1080p. I got into the player and set the player to output 1080p24. Now my question is, if playing a blue ray that is 1080p24, like Blue Man Group BR, is the 141fd displaying the 1080p24 signal? I can't tell by anything other than what I believe to be better picture quality. When I push the display button on the 141's remote, it still says just 1080p- should it say 1080p24? Am I missing something here?
post #3003 of 5267
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Parrish View Post

I have a question? After having my 141fd calibrated for isfcccnight and day, I just realized that I didn't have my denon 3800bdci's resolution set to 1080p24- instead it was just set to 1080p. I got into the player and set the player to output 1080p24. Now my question is, if playing a blue ray that is 1080p24, like Blue Man Group BR, is the 141fd displaying the 1080p24 signal? I can't tell by anything other than what I believe to be better picture quality. When I push the display button on the 141's remote, it still says just 1080p- should it say 1080p24? Am I missing something here?


Pressing display will show 1080p regardless if its 24 or 60. The easiest way to tell if its 1080p (for piece of mind) is to send yourself a test email from the display, obviously your 141 needs to be hooked up to your network.
post #3004 of 5267
thanks- unfortunately I can't try emailing myself at this time- At least I now know that when pressing display it shouldn't read anything other than 1080p.
post #3005 of 5267
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Originally Posted by TheaterLover View Post

Pioneer Monitor: Strange Behavior when turned on
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Folks, I have owned the monitor for the last 5 months. Since last couple of weeks, I have noticed a strange behavior when I turn the monitor on. With no input devices switched on, when I turn on the monitor, I see that the entire screen is grey and then it slowly turns a bit darker (but not as black as when the monitor is entirely switched off). This behavior is clearly visible at night (and not so much during day time). While watching wide screen movies with top/bottom bars, the bars are not as black as I thought they used to be. May be it was always like that but I just happened to notice it. I did not change any settings on the monitor. Can someone test this on their monitor and let me know if they have the same observations? Thanks

Can someone help me out here with their insight?
post #3006 of 5267
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Originally Posted by TheaterLover View Post

Can someone help me out here with their insight?

I believe my 141fd does the same as yours with regards to adjusting to a lower black level when switching inputs- If I switch to a different input, it starts off at a higher black level and eventually lowers the black level. I would guess this is normal however if your top/bottom bars aren't pure black when watching a letterbox movie, then maybe something is wrong with your black level- with mine, my top/bottom bars with letter box are blacker than black. Only your 4:3 bars should be anything other than pure black. I hope this helps you. Did you have your monitor calibrated yet?
post #3007 of 5267
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Originally Posted by Parrish View Post

I believe my 141fd does the same as yours with regards to adjusting to a lower black level when switching inputs- If I switch to a different input, it starts off at a higher black level and eventually lowers the black level. I would guess this is normal however if your top/bottom bars aren't pure black when watching a letterbox movie, then maybe something is wrong with your black level- with mine, my top/bottom bars with letter box are blacker than black. Only your 4:3 bars should be anything other than pure black. I hope this helps you. Did you have your monitor calibrated yet?

Parrish, thanks for your reply. I haven't yet calibrated the monitor yet. Is blacker than black same as when the monitor is turned off? With no inputs switched on, when you enter any menu, is the rest of the screen on the monitor as black as when it is switched off?
post #3008 of 5267
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

I was trying out some settings,using ControlCAL tonight. Mega thanks to Turbe for helping with the minor case of cockpit error.

After entering ISF Night settings from SillySally, I noticed that my Gamma was set at 3. Of course, in ISF mode, you cannot change anything from the user menu, but I also did not see a way to specifically set the Gamma via ControlCAL. So, apparently based on the settings I entered, Gamma=3 was "chosen"?

Is there some relationship to the settings, that causes a specific Gamma value to be set?

I plan on trying other settings tomorrow, so I'll see if they influence the Gamma selection differently.

SillySally's settings look very nice, BTW. I may keep them until I actually have a professional calibrating perfromed

Gamma 3 is the only Gamma you can use in ISF mode's, using contorlcal.
post #3009 of 5267
Considering Pioneer is leaving the TV business (soon?), has anyone considered
buying a stand for the Monitor, just in case you want to use it elsewhere or
even sell it? I'm thinking down the road (far down the road), if one replaces
the TV, perhaps it would be great to have the flexibility to move it into the
bedroom without feeling the pressure to mount it.

What do you guys think? Waste of money?
post #3010 of 5267
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Originally Posted by Nambit View Post

Considering Pioneer is leaving the TV business (soon?), has anyone considered
buying a stand for the Monitor, just in case you want to use it elsewhere or
even sell it? I'm thinking down the road (far down the road), if one replaces
the TV, perhaps it would be great to have the flexibility to move it into the
bedroom without feeling the pressure to mount it.

What do you guys think? Waste of money?

I move around alot so I've got both KRP-TS01 and KRP-WM01 for the sake of flexibility and convenience.
post #3011 of 5267
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Nambit View Post

Considering Pioneer is leaving the TV business (soon?), has anyone considered
buying a stand for the Monitor, just in case you want to use it elsewhere or
even sell it? I'm thinking down the road (far down the road), if one replaces
the TV, perhaps it would be great to have the flexibility to move it into the
bedroom without feeling the pressure to mount it.

What do you guys think? Waste of money?

IMO its a waste. By the time you find a monitor thats good enough to sel your Kuro for it wont make a difference if you have a stand or not. I predict at that time you will get 2k for it with or without the stand. Reselling high end monitors is not easy. Sell/give it to friend you feel like doing a favor to when the time comes
post #3012 of 5267
The stand was a bit pricey, but it is a very nice stand! I prefer the stand since my viewing level is right smack dab in the middle of the screen while it sits on its stand and on top of another metal/glass stand.
post #3013 of 5267
Long ago, I posted the following:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2818

Basically, I couldn't switch HDMI inputs on my TV, and was stuck with only
HDMI1 (input5) working. Even my component ports weren't working and such.
Someone else also posted a similar issue too. Ahh, here's the post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=2870

Well, it seems in the Kuro Link menu, there's an option for an "HD AV Converter"
which was set to "ON". It seems Pioneer doesn't mention this in their manual
but I think it's an option to enable the use of the European HD box on the
signature panel (see below), which screws all your ports (except#5):

http://www.pioneer.eu/eur/products/6...0HD/index.html

Just in case you guys have the same issue and think you're stuck with only
INPUT5 (no response to INPUT6 and up, and INPUT1-4 not working properly)
Go into the Kuro Link section of the Options menu and disable "HD AV Converter".
post #3014 of 5267
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

IMO its a waste. By the time you find a monitor thats good enough to sel your Kuro for it wont make a difference if you have a stand or not. I predict at that time you will get 2k for it with or without the stand. Reselling high end monitors is not easy. Sell/give it to friend you feel like doing a favor to when the time comes

Exactly you should be happy with it for a while and people that want these will find a way to mount
post #3015 of 5267
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

IMO its a waste. By the time you find a monitor thats good enough to sel your Kuro for it wont make a difference if you have a stand or not. I predict at that time you will get 2k for it with or without the stand. Reselling high end monitors is not easy. Sell/give it to friend you feel like doing a favor to when the time comes

I still think it would be a good option for another room, though (the original reason
for my post). I mean, you buy the monitor because it's your main display, but
when it's time to make it a secondary display (sometime after WW III ), you
might not want to mount it anywhere else and just put it on a stand instead.

I, personally, don't like the prospect of boring holes in another room wall for a
mount, especially if the wall can't handle a 140+ pound TV.
post #3016 of 5267
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

IMO its a waste. By the time you find a monitor thats good enough to sel your Kuro for it wont make a difference if you have a stand or not. I predict at that time you will get 2k for it with or without the stand. Reselling high end monitors is not easy. Sell/give it to friend you feel like doing a favor to when the time comes

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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

Exactly you should be happy with it for a while and people that want these will find a way to mount

I would say it totally depends on your situation. I didn't buy 141 for resale point-of-view, and I agree with Nolan on his prediction. But I didn't even think about above situations as I needed both the stand and the mount right now.

As I stated in my last post above, I move around alot within city, country and internationally, so I prefered to have peace of mind and getting both options.

Above all, I got a very good deal from a dealer. It cost me less than one year Kuro electricity bill.
post #3017 of 5267
^^ speaking of electric bill, check this out:

I moved into my house in February and after 2 months, I got my first bill. Keep
in mind I spent an entire week breaking in my 141 (24-hrs a day x 7 days) and
it was still $150 and that included a $30 fee for new account. I watched a
lot of TV, and I even have a 4280 in the bedroom which I watch a lot (and I
do find the stand useful!), yet my bill was pretty good. For me, at least, the
whole fear of plasmas sucking away your electric bill are gravely over-exaggerated.

Oh yeah, my house is 1900 square feet if anyone cares.
post #3018 of 5267
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Originally Posted by Yog View Post

I would say it totally depends on your situation. .

I can understand that everyone is different I just usually see people get the 151 if they need stand because of price savings and if they are not mounting since the stand is extra
post #3019 of 5267
For those of you that asked me if I was going to do a ISF calibration for my 141 and the Oppo BD-83.

I will be getting a BD-83 next week, I guess. So I will be posting my ISF night settings after all.

For those of you that know I have a Pioneer BDP-09, I must say I really like the BDP-09.
post #3020 of 5267
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

For those of you that asked me if I was going to do a ISF calibration for my 141 and the Oppo BD-83.

I will be getting a BD-83 next week, I guess. So I will be posting my ISF night settings after all.

For those of you that know I have a Pioneer BDP-09, I must say I really like the BDP-09.

You are really going to like the -83. It will give your -09 a run for the money. And, at a 1/3 of the cost.

I'm anxiously awaiting your -83 settings. And, after our PM dialogs, I am considering getting a bundle and trying it myself
post #3021 of 5267
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

For those of you that asked me if I was going to do a ISF calibration for my 141 and the Oppo BD-83.

I will be getting a BD-83 next week, I guess. So I will be posting my ISF night settings after all.

For those of you that know I have a Pioneer BDP-09, I must say I really like the BDP-09.

Fantastic!

Now all I need is for Turb to release his new control cal version.

Turb?
post #3022 of 5267
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

Fantastic!

Now all I need is for Turb to release his new control cal version.

Turb?

Would this be the network interface flavor???
post #3023 of 5267
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

Would this be the network interface flavor???

thats the one.
post #3024 of 5267
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Originally Posted by ROMAN O View Post

I can understand that everyone is different I just usually see people get the 151 if they need stand because of price savings and if they are not mounting since the stand is extra

Hmmm. That's correct. But stand and speakers were not the reasons I didn't go with 151 but 141. BTW, I do have a definite plan on doing a wall mount though as soon as I am able to move my 150 out from bedroom to lounge. 141 will go to my bedroom. RS20 will stay in my basement.
post #3025 of 5267
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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

Fantastic!

Now all I need is for Turb to release his new control cal version.

Turb?

I too am waiting for new version. Turbe please count me in.
post #3026 of 5267
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

For those of you that asked me if I was going to do a ISF calibration for my 141 and the Oppo BD-83.

I will be getting a BD-83 next week, I guess. So I will be posting my ISF night settings after all.

For those of you that know I have a Pioneer BDP-09, I must say I really like the BDP-09.

How did you like BD-09 so far? I've got BD-95 and wondering if its ok to professionally calibrate it with 141. I was thinking to get BD-09 but would like to wait until Pio release their new lines of BDPs this year.
post #3027 of 5267
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Originally Posted by Yog View Post

How did you like BD-09 so far? I've got BD-95 and wondering if its ok to professionally calibrate it with 141. I was thinking to get BD-09 but would like to wait until Pio release their new lines of BDPs this year.

Sure get your set calibrated. Just make sure your ISF calibrator does use your ISF modes and have him use his pattern generator to calibrate your 141.
After he calibrates your 141 only, then have him check all your input sources and adjust the settings for each source accordingly.

Yes I like my BDP-09.

I use a WA6SE maxxed tube amp 2ch analog for most of my audio.

I am sorry but I will not be getting a BD-83.

After closer inspection of the BD-83 I am guessing that the BD-83 will only be a let down from my BDP-09.
post #3028 of 5267
I must say the 141fd on its stand is so minimalistically gorgeous! I get almost as much satisfaction out of looking at the set while it is off as when it is on! It really is an amazing addition to my hometheater system!
post #3029 of 5267
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

Sure get your set calibrated. Just make sure your ISF calibrator does use your ISF modes and have him use his pattern generator to calibrate your 141.
After he calibrates your 141 only, then have him

I'm finding less and less reasons to use my Accupel 3000 on any HDMI source. Almost all BD players I've come across are completely neutral when it comes to passing test patterns (once they are properly setup).

The BD09 is a completely neutral player and use of a pattern generator on the same input as the BD09 is completely worthless IMO.
post #3030 of 5267
Properly set up? As in?

Looking at my BDP-83, I see almost nothing that can/should be adjusted. At least anything that would make any difference. Deep Color? Nah - nothing uses that. Most of the defaults (Auto) seem logical.

This is good news indeed. I am looking forward to trying my hand at calibration and not having to purchase/rent pattern generators is a pleasant surprise!
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