Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 102

That depends on the BD player. For instance, Panasonic BD players only require its black level setting to be changed from its default of Dark to light. PS3 require a 3 or 4 (I can't remember the exact number) adjustments to make it completely neutral. I have not had a chance to try a BDP-83 (even though I signed up for the beta testing ), so I don't know what needs to be adjusted on that player. Hopefully, it does not require an setting tweaks.

Ah, yes. OK... I understand now. Coffee-lag this morning. My PS-3 required settings to make WTW & BTB work properly It's been a while and a few new toys between then & now!

Other than the color space choice (Auto should do it), CUE (again auto or off), I see nothing similar on the -83. So,I'm assuming the -83 handles BTB/WTW correctly out of the box.

Hopefully, you'll get your order invite soon - they are going out. The player is close to GA release.

So do you think that my BDP95 would be ok and compatible with 141, Especially, in terms of calibartion, running test patterns or should I look for BDP-09 or something else you recommend out there? My BDP95 is damn slow in loading. I did tweak some of its settings though.

Is a post-cal average gamma value of 2.22 a decent value compared to 2.50 in the Panasonic Plasma? Does anyone know this to be an inherent deficiency with the Pioneer Kuro's? Especially the 141fd?

Excellent news! Really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the BD-83, including how it compares to the BD-09.

Hook

Hey there- Can't anyone with calibration/technical knowledge offer an opinion on the post calibration gamma curve of the 141fd? I know that according to my calibration report I have an average postcal gamma curve of 2.22 and when reading professional reviews of other Elite Kuro PDPs there was mention of the most accurate gamma curve being around 2.45 or 2.50, but that the Elite Kuros fell short of this 2.45 curve. The review said that the more accurate gamma curve really positively affected the depth of image for blue ray playback! I was surprised to hear that the 50 inch Panasonic Plasma they were comparing the Kuro to had the 2.45 gamma curve while the Elite kuro was at 2.23. I was just surprised to read of a potential flaw with the kuro sets since in every single review of plasma displays made by all other plasma manufacturers, the kuros were used as sort of the benchmark! Espescially with regards to low black levels and burn in protection!

Ahh, thanks for confirming my findings on the BD-09. "The BD09 is a completely neutral player"
Why I am saying using a HDG-4000, is to ISF calibrate the display (141) only. Not using any source media.
This way when you add a source input after the ISF calibration, as long as the source is completely neutral. The owner will not have to tweak the settings.

I find it interesting that Oppo didn't give you a BD-83 for Bata testing.
imo that raises a bit of a red flag. So It will be interesting to read your findings for the BD-83.

Just a quick question...Do we need both ControlCAL and meter or any other equipment to enable ISF modes or we can enable ISF Day, ISF Night and ISF Auto just by using ControlCal?

Hmm, I like that Username..

If you just want to activate/enable isf Day, isf Night etc (and to try settings posted by others) on an Input, you just need ControlCAL.

To do a proper calibration, you do need a meter and software like ColorHCFR or CalMAN.

LMK if you have any questions.

Thanks for quick response Turbe. I have been reading posts since day one. Got my set last month and now ready to rock n roll.

I would love to learn calibration. Thanks to D-nice, SillySally and others for offering your settings, help.


Oh my username, its just my way of showing love and respect to this amazing display.

...and by the way, as many people are waiting for new version of ControlCAL. Do you recommend wait for it or just get what you currently have (serial cable).

no no, D-Nice has settings, SillySally has settings and I posted some isf Day Settings (I need to update and add isf Night).

They offer their own settings and help others with DIY calibration

why wait?

If you have access to the Pioneer's serial port, you are ready to rock-n-roll.

I don't have any serial port on my Macbook Pro. All I have just USB and Firewire 800, mini display and yes, a power port .

So probably need converter/adapter for it. I've completed 175 hours of break-in.

I will definitely get calibration equipments as I really find it interested to learn about calibration process and do my calibration that look bests to me.

I am also even willing to take some classes from calibrators to get in-depth knowledge. At this stage, all I know is what's written on AVS and Calibration forums but have no clue what you guys are talking about or how to even read calibration report. But I am a good learner.

Right now all my savings gone to my 141 so will need some time to save $$$$ in this recession era

Finally got my POR-141 wall mounted using Pio's ultra-slim mount. Looks awesome!
The ONLY defect to this lovely set is a few very small surface scratches on the left side of the bezel... very small and only visible in bright sunlight and up very close.
No dead/stuck pixels and (most importantly for me) NO BLOTCHING! I know what blothcing looks like as my previous 141 had a huge black blob on the center of the screen when the screen was all black with no input signal. This set has uniformed black.
I am running the break-in disc right now using D-NICE's break in settings.
A nearly perfect panel... except for the very small scratches. Is the bezel supposed to be absolute pristine mint or is this normal?
Love the set otherwise!!!

I've used my MBP to run ControlCAL. I run XP, under Fusion and it works perfectly. You cannot use native Mac OS, though. Turbe can hook you up with the USB -> Serial adapter & cable. Go for it!


Keep reading here and on the ControlCAL forum - you will learn... a lot! And, folks will answer your questions and help you understand

Welcome and enjoy!!!

Peter,

The OPPO is as neutral as a Blu-ray player can come.
No adjustments needed.

I've calibrated it to my PRO-151 with an I1pro and Calman and the
results are excellent.

Mike

I had this one bookmarked

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=226

Our scaler has a setting for sync mode, and offers +V -V and two others I don't remember offhand. What is the correct setting for the 141?

Nolan, Good to see some more pics of your setup.

Color of the Panel
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With the monitor totally switched off, in normal light conditions, what should the color of the panel be? Mine looks grey. Is it normal? I thought the one in the store looked black (but then the light conditions are controlled). Please help since this is bothering me as I think it is affecting the black level on my monitor.

I'd describe it as a dark grey. Not black.

+1

I read in another thread for a non elite model that you need to have the kuro recalibrated every 2500 hours or so?!?! Is this correct? Is there really that much of a shift between blue, red and green to warrant such behavior? Is the Sig. Elite Kuro different than the rest with regard to having to maintain an accurate picture?

I have lurked here for several months reading the forums in preparation for purchasing a HDTV. I have finally decided to purchase a 141. I hope to get it done this week. I don't need a custom install and I think I have learned enough to attempt to do a burn in and and calibration myself. I have a few questions for current owners about actually making the purchase and getting a warranty.

1. How important is an authorized dealer/factory warranty? I seems that the only way to get that is to pay MSRP. Is the factory warranty worth the MSRP?

2. Is there any online retailers that are authorized dealers?

3. If I go unauthorzied online dealer, should I pay for a store warranty? if so, for how long?

3. I have run through the list of forum advertisers. None of them seem to carry the 141. I have also searched on the web for it. Several places claim to have it in stock but when I search for reviews on many of these online places they come back as bait and switch joints or with really bad customer service and warranty issues.

4. I have never gotten a store warranty, particularly from an online store, for an item this expensive. Are there any places out there that carry the 141 that are know for good service on their purchased store warranties?

TIA

Do not even consider purchasing from a non-authorized dealer. Pioneer considers that a "used unit" purchase and you will have NO warranty!!!!!!!!! You do not need to pay MSRP from an authorized dealer. Many are willing to negotiate.


Yes - you can find a list on the Pioneer web page.

However, AVS has several authorized dealers that are very well respected - Robert (Value Electronics) and Roman (BestBuyPlasma) are two. I purchased my 141 from Robert. IMHO he is one of the best people to do business with - bar none!


Please do not go this route!!!


Please reach out to Robert and/or Roman.

In short, you will find a good price for your 141 purchase and you will be buying from an Authorized Dealer. Many people on this forum will give either of these guys an excellent review.

Dude,
If I were you I would do what I did- I checked online to see which locations of Best Buy carried the 141- after that I went there to that particular store and got the best deal possible on a brand new 141fd- then I bought the set and took it home the same day- I bought the matching stand from Best Buy as well, so I was able to set up and watch the same day! I got a 4 year warranty on the set which gives me 2 years beyond the factory 2yr warranty! I really got a great deal- I think I payed around $5,300.00 for the set and $399 for the stand! The warranty was like $799.00 which is expensive, but you can't beat the Best Buy warranty! Also, I got $140 worth of store credit bonus points for opening up a best buy credit card- I don't have to pay it off for 18months, so I can let my own money earn interest to make my purchase price even better! I hope this helps! Magnolia within Best Buy will be the carrier of this 141fd set! You'd better hurry though, because there won't be any left before long! Best Buy really surprised me by how they were willing to negotiate a price for this set! I made two offers based on a local competitors price and they said they were willing to match the price! Also, you have 30days to return the set- no questions asked which is a good thing as well! I am amazed at the pq!

Parrish