Originally Posted by sk20
I theorize that someone who is considering getting a monitor instead of a full TV probably is the kind of person who normally shells out money for separate components, and that *might* mean they have more money to toss around. If that's the case, then, for such a person, spending more on a 141 than a 101 seems like a natural thing to do, provided they have room for a 60" panel.
Another theory is that the 101 requires separate components to drive it, yet it's smaller than the 60". If a person has room for separate components, then likely they have more room for a larger panel too.
So, the user profiles are different. Someone with space and budget constraints would get the 111 and feed it directly with a combo player and a satellite or cable box. Someone without space or budget constraints would get the 141 and feed it from perhaps an outboard scaler, with a bunch of inputs, and would have separate 5.1 or even 7.1 speakers and amps. Someone in the middle might get the 151 to economize on speakers and the tuner. But who would get the 101, which is smaller, yet requires more components to drive it? They'd still need separate speakers and a separate tuner.
I agree with you and I also believe the market is drawn away from the 101. I think most people buying 50" TV's want the speakers and stand. They probably have an audio system hooked up but might not want to turn it on all the time so they go with the 111. Seems to be the biggest seller of all of the 9G Elites. I hear everybody in saying if you already had a 60" there is no way you are going down to the 101. Or again in a marketing sense, guys like us that have the seperate amps, tower speakers, etc. don't need the speakers and tuner and would opt for the 141 as the perfect monitor.
I am coming from 2 - 42" Panasonic plasmas(old PX80 and a PH11UK) and don't feel the hit on the 50" like most others. And my room is perfect for a 50" 8 feet from the set.
Yesterday I went into my local HT store where I worked with a guy I have worked with for 12 years - pretty much has sold me the majority of my equipment. I got to tell you guys in my shoes I could not justify the extra $2000 on the 141. The 101 was the best deal I have ever seen on any high end electronic equipment. 50% off list price is just too hard to pass up so I grabbed the 101 and the new BDP-23FD. Sorry OPPO fans - keeping BD in the family.
Not that I completely disregarded the 111 and the 151. I just happened to be one of those guys that is typically around when the major changes in the industry happen. Pioneer leaving the plasma industry is sad for most of us knowing they make the best TV's/Monitors hands down.
In my opinion the choice to go 101/141 is not because the PQ is better than the 111/151(although I do believe it is marginally better), but because the 101/141 Signature Series is Pioneer saying to all of us that these two monitors after 9 generations are the best of the best that we at Pioneer can make and we are closing our plasma doors offering you the crem de la crem.
I think this is so classy on Pioneer's part that it had to be a 101 for me.
Again I could not justify the extra $2000 on the 141 as I was able to get a new BD player and have $1600 extra dollars that will go towards my new Mac Pro. I am into a lot of other things besides HT, so I need to spread my wealth around.
In my opinion if size does not matter to you and you want the crem de la crem, the 101 is the best deal in HT history in my opinion and they will be gone soon so get in there...