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post #3541 of 5242
7/13/09 at 3:44pm
The buzz issue can also be attributed that 151 owners outnumber Signature owners by about 10:1 on these boards (if not more).
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post #3542 of 5242
7/13/09 at 4:38pm
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Wow, thanks. This is what I was looking for. I think this is the surge protector that my TV installer recommended. I know that they are expensive, but Amazon has them for less than $50.00 which seems reasonable enough. I will take measurements to make sure it fits.

Panamax also makes these - MFP-300 and MFP-400. I see the 300 is on Amazon for less than half the $150 MSRP.

I personally am a Panamax owner (two M5410 Pros, M5300, M5100, two PM8-EXs), and have enjoyed their products for many years - with no loss of any connected gear, ever.

Now i just need to get home from a biz trip this week so I can finally use ControlCal to set up my ISF modes!
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post #3543 of 5242
7/13/09 at 9:04pm
I have a quick questuion on 141 and DTV settings. It seems that when I use dot for dot on certain programming I am seeing a line in random screen positions. Mostly its across top or bottom for SD or crappyD shows and looks like its bouncing. But at times i see it on left and right in more of a regular strainght white outline. any clues..My DTV us set to native.
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post #3544 of 5242
7/13/09 at 9:06pm
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I have a quick questuion on 141 and DTV settings. It seems that when I use dot for dot on certain programming I am seeing a line in random screen positions. Mostly its across top or bottom for SD or crappyD shows and looks like its bouncing. But at times i see it on left and right in more of a regular strainght white outline. any clues..My DTV us set to native.

happens to us all and its not the 141. The 141 i doing exactly what it should, but the signal from the cable has that green line. Set the the screen size to Full 1 which gives a 2% overscan and does not make the PQ suffer. Use Dot by Dot for other sources
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post #3545 of 5242
7/13/09 at 9:10pm
which brings one more oddity..I have been switching back and forth between a Onkyo 875 and a Denon 4308 but cant seem to settle on one, Neither in my opinion is adding anything spectacular to the already incredible KURO picture, so I am thinking of adding a swithch that would pass the video direct to display eliminating the middle man..Right now my source components are a DTV HD DVR, XBX360, OPPO 83 and a PS3, Also using a laptop for music and netflix streaming.

what do folks think of the switch idea to ensure the PDP get the most source direct signall possible.
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post #3546 of 5242
7/13/09 at 9:11pm
so its normal.. drives me crazy. I am trying to make sure the setup is as clean as possible for my appointment with Greg Lowen next week
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post #3547 of 5242
7/13/09 at 11:09pm
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so its normal.. drives me crazy. I am trying to make sure the setup is as clean as possible for my appointment with Greg Lowen next week

Gregg Loewen won't be bothered by your TV signals.
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post #3548 of 5242
7/14/09 at 3:00am
Does anyone have instructions showing how to access the service menu of the 141 to determine how much "on" time the monitor has experienced. I found what I thought were instructions last week, which I have followed explicitly, but can't get into the service menu.

What I found starts with pointing the remote at the sensor, hitting display waiting three seconds and the LEFT, TOP...etc. Didn't work. What am I missing here?

Thank you
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post #3549 of 5242
7/14/09 at 5:57am
You can access that information much easier, assuming you have your 141 connected to your network... use this url:

http://Monitor_IP_Address/cgi/service_right.cgi (substituting "Monitor_IP_Address" with your panel's IP address)

For more information, read this:

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301

Big thanks to Turbe for this solution!!!!!
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post #3550 of 5242
7/14/09 at 7:08am
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so its normal.. drives me crazy.

If you're describing the data encoded in the blanking interval then yes it's normal. If "DTV" is DirecTV and you have HD service then for best PQ you should use Dot by Dot on HD programming. You may also see these "underscan" artifacts in SD commercials in HD programming.
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post #3551 of 5242
7/14/09 at 8:25am
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You can access that information much easier, assuming you have your 141 connected to your network... use this url:

http://Monitor_IP_Address/cgi/service_right.cgi (substituting "Monitor_IP_Address" with your panel's IP address)

For more information, read this:

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301

Big thanks to Turbe for this solution!!!!!

Thank you, but the set is not yet on a network and won't be for a while. So, if anyone can provide instructions to access the service menu to determine monitor use, it would be greatly appreciated.
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post #3552 of 5242
7/14/09 at 8:43am
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Thank you, but the set is not yet on a network and won't be for a while. So, if anyone can provide instructions to access the service menu to determine monitor use, it would be greatly appreciated.

You can connect a computer directly to your Monitor and use EZ Hours (no need to connect to your network).
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post #3553 of 5242
7/14/09 at 8:52am
Hi Guys,
As some of you know, when my 141 was installed the installers never wore gloves and I believe one of them had a ring...anyways it scratched the **** out of my bezel!!
So, about a month ago I ordered a new bezel from Pioneer Canada. It finally arrived yesterday, in a box almost as big as a hous/ door (but only 4 inches thick!) I was very impressed to see a build date of 08/11/2008 "MADE IN JAPAN" !! I thought that was very cool... it's great to see that! Also, the bezel has an almost invisible clear plastic film that surrounds the whole front... this protects the delicate urushi finish. I wonder why Pioneer takes this off when they box these things??!! The chances of scratching the bezel would be greatly reduced if the protective film was on it from the get go!
Bezel was in perfect shape and I will be having the authorized Pioneer service center change it sometime next month.
Pioneer Canada told me that in the service manual for these panels wearing the proper gloves is listed. They were quite upset that the installers didn't do this. The bezel ended up costing me over $500 CAN!!
Anyways, just wanted to post this so any new owners will remember to have their dealer/installer wear gloves when handling the panel. The urushi finish is very delicate and scratches easily.
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post #3554 of 5242
7/14/09 at 8:54am
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Hi Guys,
As some of you know, when my 141 was installed the installers never wore gloves and I believe one of them had a ring...anyways it scratched the **** out of my bezel!!
So, about a month ago I ordered a new bezel from Pioneer Canada. It finally arrived yesterday, in a box almost as big as a hous/ door (but only 4 inches thick!) I was very impressed to see a build date of 08/11/2008 "MADE IN JAPAN" !! I thought that was very cool... it's great to see that! Also, the bezel has an almost invisible clear plastic film that surrounds the whole front... this protects the delicate urushi finish. I wonder why Pioneer takes this off when they box these things??!! The chances of scratching the bezel would be greatly reduced if the protective film was on it from the get go!
Bezel was in perfect shape and I will be having the authorized Pioneer service center change it sometime next month.
Pioneer Canada told me that in the service manual for these panels wearing the proper gloves is listed. They were quite upset that the installers didn't do this. The bezel ended up costing me over $500 CAN!!
Anyways, just wanted to post this so any new owners will remember to have their dealer/installer wear gloves when handling the panel. The urushi finish is very delicate and scratches easily.

What did the installer say? did you call them on it?
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post #3555 of 5242
7/14/09 at 8:54am
Man I wanted to buy a new bezel for my 111 but I said no way to the cost. Used some waxes etc and got rid off the scratches. Were they really deep?
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post #3556 of 5242
7/14/09 at 9:06am
Nolan--
The scratches were not really deep---but they are noticable and could have been prevented if the installers just took a little more care (i.e. gloves!) No, they would not take responsibility.
I didn't know the bezels ship from Japan with the protective film on it. I know the Sony XBR8's have this film on the bezel and when you install it you remove the film after its in its resting place. Why Pioneer doesn't do this is beyond me... would make things easier.
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post #3557 of 5242
7/14/09 at 11:01am
Try contacting the dealer and explain to them that this was an installation problem. They can exert leverage over the installers, or maybe even offer to "help" with the replacement costs.
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post #3558 of 5242
7/14/09 at 2:35pm
hope not.. they are driving me nutz though
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post #3559 of 5242
7/14/09 at 5:07pm
I just got my 141. It replaced a Samsung PN63B590.

I'm still having buzz with my 141 but thats not what this thread is about.


I am getting white 'sparkles' on every source I have, whether its the SA8300 DVR or PS3 with Bluray. They mostly occur in vertical strips (as in, the dots flash randomly but they seem to be vertically aligned).

but its REALLY annoying and obvious to me. Definitely 100% positive I didn't have them with the samsung.

Otherwise the TV looks great, Bluray looks fantastic.

I do notice however that HD TV programming almost looks blurry to me now, even shows that I recorded on the DVR like Bones from TNT HD. On my samsung I thought Bones looked fantastic.... for some reason the 141 had me checking that I was actually watching an HD recording,... and I was. I checked all my HD channels and all of them look blurrier now. Maybe a contrast trick of the mind? I verified the DVR is still doing 1080i like always. And text looks ultra-crisp, its just video footage itself that seems blurrier.
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post #3560 of 5242
7/14/09 at 5:29pm
^--- ignore most of that stuff about the appearance of HD TV..... did some messing with the settings and with the Kuro I can actually really affect the picture alot more than I expected. Was able to get it to look awesome by lowering brightness some.

on the samsung the brightness/contrast options barely adjust the picture compared to the range of control the kuro gives.... Obviouly I'm preaching to the choir on that one amazing how lowering the brightness made everything look sharper. I'm beginning to see how important calibration is..... good thing ChadB is stopping by in 3 weeks!
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post #3561 of 5242
7/14/09 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by Ictusbrucks View Post

I am getting white 'sparkles' on every source I have, whether its the SA8300 DVR or PS3 with Bluray. They mostly occur in vertical strips (as in, the dots flash randomly but they seem to be vertically aligned).

Your trouble could be related to the HDMI connection if that's what you are using. The length of the cable, the condition of the contacts, the fit of the contacts, or an internal failure with the current cable that you're using are all possibilities.
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post #3562 of 5242
7/14/09 at 5:51pm
I agree.

Sparkles are a classic symptom of HDMI connection issues. I had a similar problem when I hooked up my BDP-83 player. The cable that had worked perfectly with my A-2, caused sparkles. I tried the A-2 again and it was fine, but the -83 had the symptom.

A different HDMI cable solved the problem. Again, I repeatedly switched cables and devices... it was the cable. It could also have been a physical tolerance mismatch between the -83 and the cable, but in the end - the cable was the easier fix.
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post #3563 of 5242
7/14/09 at 6:05pm
I will fiddle with cables... everything is going through the Pioneer SC-05 AVR with a single HDMI out, which is an inwall CL2 rated HDMI cable. same cable setup was used with the Samsung plasma w/o sparkles I already unplugged and replugged the HDMI in to make sure it was snug but no luck... maybe I'll try a different cable going from the SC-05 to the TV.


Now that its dark, I am really impressed by the black levels and also how little reflection I get off the screen. I have some kitchen lights that we sometimes leave on that show up directly on the screen... used to be annoying but I almost don't even notice with this set. The lights are dark purple instead of bright orange...Purple power!
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post #3564 of 5242
7/14/09 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by Ictusbrucks View Post

I just got my 141. It replaced a Samsung PN63B590.

I'm still having buzz with my 141 but thats not what this thread is about.


I am getting white 'sparkles' on every source I have, whether its the SA8300 DVR or PS3 with Bluray. They mostly occur in vertical strips (as in, the dots flash randomly but they seem to be vertically aligned).

but its REALLY annoying and obvious to me. Definitely 100% positive I didn't have them with the samsung.

Otherwise the TV looks great, Bluray looks fantastic.

I do notice however that HD TV programming almost looks blurry to me now, even shows that I recorded on the DVR like Bones from TNT HD. On my samsung I thought Bones looked fantastic.... for some reason the 141 had me checking that I was actually watching an HD recording,... and I was. I checked all my HD channels and all of them look blurrier now. Maybe a contrast trick of the mind? I verified the DVR is still doing 1080i like always. And text looks ultra-crisp, its just video footage itself that seems blurrier.

Step 1:
Change your HDMI input on the -141 (move your cable to another input)

If not successful, get a short high-quality cable and directly connect your PS3 to see if the sparkles go away

If they don't, I'd call a service tech to look at it, as it could be an internal HDMI connection problem, though I seriously doubt it.

Good luck

KDD
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post #3565 of 5242
7/14/09 at 6:16pm
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I will fiddle with cables... everything is going through the Pioneer SC-05 AVR with a single HDMI out, which is an inwall CL2 rated HDMI cable. same cable setup was used with the Samsung plasma w/o sparkles I already unplugged and replugged the HDMI in to make sure it was snug but no luck... maybe I'll try a different cable going from the SC-05 to the TV.

One person recently reported that he cleaned the contacts and that worked for him.

I recently moved all my components to a rack in the next room. I have four in and one out. The output HDMI cable is 10', and the others are three feet. I also switched from heavier gage, to thin less expansive cables to avoid contact problems. Given the design of HDMI cables, the slightest stress at the connection can cause "sparkles" or worse with on device and no problems with a different device.

I have some 6' heavy gage HDMI cables I'd be happy to donate.
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post #3566 of 5242
7/14/09 at 8:37pm
We purchased a 141FD from Best Buy last week to replace our failing XBR950 and it should be delivered tomorrow. The installer will be here on Friday.

One question.. Should I go direct from my sources with HDMI or go through my Rotel prepro? The HDMI on the Rotel is only 1.1. Today I am switching through the Rotel but I think I read a post on here that said I really needed to have HDMI 1.3.

I also have the break-in CD downloaded and plan on running it when we are not watching anything. Anytime spent watching TV will be full screen and no logos. Toward the beginning of this thread I think I saw the break-in setting for the 151FD. Are they the same for the 141FD?

Sorry for all the questions. There is just so much here to try to go through and comprehend so quickly.

Thanks!!
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post #3567 of 5242
7/14/09 at 9:04pm
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One question.. Should I go direct from my sources with HDMI or go through my Rotel prepro? The HDMI on the Rotel is only 1.1. Today I am switching through the Rotel but I think I read a post on here that said I really needed to have HDMI 1.3.

You don't have to have HDMI 1.3 to get outstanding relsults. If you have a Blu-ray player that can do HD codec files, have it output LPCM for audio and you will enjoy lossless audio. You will not see any difference watching Blu-ray via 1.1 because it handles all the Blu-ray specs.
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post #3568 of 5242
7/14/09 at 9:04pm
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We purchased a 141FD from Best Buy last week to replace our failing XBR950 and it should be delivered tomorrow. The installer will be here on Friday.

One question.. Should I go direct from my sources with HDMI or go through my Rotel prepro? The HDMI on the Rotel is only 1.1. Today I am switching through the Rotel but I think I read a post on here that said I really needed to have HDMI 1.3.

I also have the break-in CD downloaded and plan on running it when we are not watching anything. Anytime spent watching TV will be full screen and no logos. Toward the beginning of this thread I think I saw the break-in setting for the 151FD. Are they the same for the 141FD?

Sorry for all the questions. There is just so much here to try to go through and comprehend so quickly.

Thanks!!


You are fine going through your Rotel and I would probably stay that way for convenience factors. I had a Rotel 1069 with my 141 for 10 months and it performed just fine. You dont need anything above HDMI 1.1 when it comes to video(or audio really). Just switch the Rotel to video bypass mode. Plus you will want the audio going to the Rotel so unless you get a player with 2 HDMI outputs it wont even really be a choice.

It may also be more convenient if get a remote with an RF extender as its much easier to hide the IR emitter over the Rotel then the 141.
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post #3569 of 5242
7/15/09 at 5:05am
Well got my 151 replacement, and out of the box it appears to have more contrast than the 141. The 151 has hardly any buzz so far compared to the 141 that I had. I am willing to sell the stand (pm me) if any 141 owners needs it.
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post #3570 of 5242
7/15/09 at 8:30am
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You can connect a computer directly to your Monitor and use EZ Hours (no need to connect to your network).

OK - seems like I have a cabling issue which means that I can't access the dang set with a laptop even connected directly to the 141. At least not for a while. It took me several hours of messing around with my network to figure this out.

Does anyone have instructions telling you how to access the 141 through the service menu the old fashioned way by using the remote? I tried hitting display button , waiting three seconds and then used the four directional commands. Nothing happened. The set was off when I did this - then turned it on.

What am I missing here?

Thank you
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