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post #3841 of 5242
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Originally Posted by stevec325 View Post

If you and Michael are cool with that... post your 141 settings. Always interested to see how they compare to others and my own.

I will re-verify w/ Michael that he is fine with this. Plus it'll be a few days before I can retrieve the info via ControlCal - pesky day job...
post #3842 of 5242
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

... it'll be a few days before I can retrieve the info via ControlCal

Sounds like a job for KuroReader (for the most part).
post #3843 of 5242
I own the Signature 101FD (I don't think there is thread dedicated to this monitor). Have any owners of the 141 input their serial # into the website to see their monitor-specific white-balance settings? Being a newbie why would this be useful for me?

Thanks
post #3844 of 5242
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Originally Posted by bouhhan View Post

finally picked up my 141 tonight! i just put my serial number into the pioneer link in the first post in this thread and it came up invalid... build date is april 09 - is this unusual?

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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

You probably imputed your serial number incorrectly. There have been many folks that have had the same problem as you.

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Originally Posted by ajvandenb View Post

Have any owners of the 141 input their serial # into the website to see their monitor-specific white-balance settings? Being a newbie why would this be useful for me?

I called Pioneer about two weeks ago on their Sig Series website/login page. I was told that this feature is no longer available. When was the last time someone was able to use this website successfully?

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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

You can always call Pioneer and they will enter your S/N.
ss

I did not think to ask the Pioneer CSR if my factory settings were available this way, or if they could just send/email me a PDF file showing these values.
post #3845 of 5242
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

I called Pioneer about two weeks ago on their Sig Series website/login page. I was told that this feature is no longer available. When was the last time someone was able to use this website successfully?

I can do it successfully on the Canadian Pioneer website...
post #3846 of 5242
The Canadian Pioneer website did not work for me! It came up with S/N invalid!
post #3847 of 5242
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Originally Posted by hd-av View Post

The Canadian Pioneer website did not work for me! It came up with S/N invalid!

Yeah, I just realized that the Canadian site links to the US site for the Signature Series. Nonetheless it appears that it works for some and not for others. Strange...
post #3848 of 5242
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Originally Posted by ajvandenb View Post

Yeah, I just realized that the Canadian site links to the US site for the Signature Series. Nonetheless it appears that it works for some and not for others. Strange...

Lucky you! Maybe I'll get it another try...

Hm, could you post your link to the Canadian site (even if it redirects to the US site) to see if that would work for other US owners? Thanks!
post #3849 of 5242
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

Lucky you! Maybe I'll get it another try...

Hm, could you post your link to the Canadian site (even if it redirects to the US site) to see if that would work for other US owners? Thanks!

http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POC...tors/PRO-101FD link on upper right hand of page...
post #3850 of 5242
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Originally Posted by ajvandenb View Post

http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POC...tors/PRO-101FD link on upper right hand of page...

Zip. Tried all caps, no caps, no UC at the end...oh well...

But thanks for posting the link!
post #3851 of 5242
Just bought a pro 101 fd. Hooking it up tonight.
Question.
No break in needed, right?
It says in the mission statement ( which i had framed) that they did a break in at the factory.
Just wanted to verify this.
post #3852 of 5242
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

Zip. Tried all caps, no caps, no UC at the end...oh well...

But thanks for posting the link!

Nothing worked for me either and I am in Canada!
post #3853 of 5242
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Originally Posted by ajvandenb View Post

http://www.pioneerelectronics.ca/POC...tors/PRO-101FD link on upper right hand of page...

Works for me in Maryland. Entered s/n and got factory white balance settings. Not much else to see there though.
post #3854 of 5242
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Originally Posted by J-Hawk88 View Post

Works for me in Maryland. Entered s/n and got factory white balance settings. Not much else to see there though.

Interesting! Maybe Pioneer doesn't like us west-coasters!

BTW, welcome to the Forums - I see your post count above is at three right now!
post #3855 of 5242
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Originally Posted by bodosom View Post

Normally I don't worry about this but:
Yes 60" is 1.44 times the area of 50". Of course that means a 50" is 69% of the area of a 60". There are a few sites that have a visual comparison. I like the Gadget Toad overlay (just be sure and put in the smaller display first) but Display Wars does 2.35:1. People often here speak as if the difference between 50 and 60 inches is like the difference between 60 and 100 inches. It's not.

No one here is acting like a 60" is a movie theater screen compared to a 50" display, but the difference is pretty big. I have a 60" 141FD and a 50" 111FD, and yes, the difference is pretty big. I sometimes tell my wife I'm going to watch a movie in the other room on our little TV (111FD).
post #3856 of 5242
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

BTW, welcome to the Forums - I see your post count above is at three right now!

Thanks, glad to be here and I think these are great forums. Don't expect my post count to shoot up because I am a man of few words, and I have a steep learning curve to climb.
post #3857 of 5242
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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

Zip. Tried all caps, no caps, no UC at the end...oh well...

But thanks for posting the link!

Worked for me as well, entered my serial as "HHPM000999UC" (no quotes, and 999 is not my actual serial number).

For the curious (and the record...), here is the text that appears on the first page:

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perfecting performance and aesthetics

True beauty is more than skin deep, and your new Elite KURO monitor is proof. It has been rigorously inspected to surpass very high standards in both performance and aesthetics. What follows is a brief explanation of some of your signature series monitor's key characteristics.


performance

White Balance
True white is the basis for natural color. It creates the exceptional realism necessary to recreate even the slightest nuances and shades of color. Your Elite KURO monitor has been put through comprehensive color correction and balancing for each and every white balance setting, and is equipped for further detailed calibration in the white balance user preference settings.

Black Level
The less light a pixel gives off at rest, the deeper the monitor's black levels will be. The signature series Elite KURO monitor's idle luminance has been radically reduced. It is a testament to the mission behind the KURO name: to create the deepest, darkest black levels and in turn the most breathtaking picture in the world.

Peak Brightness
The opposite of black level, peak brightness measures the maximum light level that a monitor can produce. Thanks to a revolutionary technology, and a breakthrough application of that technology, the Elite KURO monitor generates unprecedented brightness, while requiring minimal cell priming, which maintains exceptional efficiency.

Phosphor Pre-Aging
Every signature series Elite KURO monitor goes through a factory pre-aging process in which all the plasma cells are turned on and off repeatedly. This stabilizes the phosphor in each cell to reduce the risk of temporary image retention.

Glass Screen and Color Filter
Most plasma screens employ two front sheets of glass, creating secondary reflections at some viewing angels. Pioneer developed a patented color filter which is bonded directly to the first surface glass, allowing this display to use just one sheet of glass. The result is superior contrast even in brighter environments.


aesthetics

Monitor Chassis
This Elite KURO monitor was hand inspected and has passed very rigorous cosmetic quality control standards. These strict inspection guidelines give us confidence that your monitor's chassis, rear casing and all exterior operational buttons and switches are fully operational and in outstanding physical condition.

Monitor Bezel and Glass
The signature series Elite KURO monitor features an elegant acrylic bezel with a high gloss black finish reminiscent of the finest grand pianos. Scrupulous factory examination is designed to ensure that the bezel is virtually free from any perceptible defects, blemishes, scratches, or other physical imperfections. Meticulous hand and machine inspection further check for imperfections or blemishes on the monitor glass and the bonded color filter.
Terminals
Every terminal and connection on this monitor has been inspected and tested to be functioning properly. This includes checking for conformance with applicable digital and analog specifications as well as the reception and transmission of applicable audio and video signals.

Copyright © 2008 Pioneer Electronics (USA) Inc.

And here is what appears on the second page for my display's performance (again, my serial is not 000).


Hope it satisfies some curiousity out there!

Dan.
LL
post #3858 of 5242
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Originally Posted by info_dan View Post

For the curious (and the record...), here is the text that appears on the first page:

And here is what appears on the second page for my display's performance (again, my serial is not 000).

Hope it satisfies some curiousity out there!

Dan.

This is interesting. Assuming that High, Mid, Low refers to Color Temp menu selections, Pioneer has them reversed, but correctly displayed on the chart. High should be .2738x/.2753y, Mid .2853x/.2883y, and Low .3134x/.3239y. These work out to be CCT's of 11923K, 9491K, and 6504K, respectively. Most interesting is the Low 6504K CCT, which is the right number, but it is not D65.
post #3859 of 5242
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Originally Posted by lakinsdad View Post

Just bought a pro 101 fd. Hooking it up tonight.
Question.
No break in needed, right?
It says in the mission statement ( which i had framed) that they did a break in at the factory.
Just wanted to verify this.

Congratulations! I too recently purchased this set and it is amazing. I believe the factory breakin is 100 hrs but not sure. I think the break-in stuff is a bit overrated...just watch and enjoy! BTW I did unlock the ISFccc using Turbe's controlCal, it makes a huge difference over Pure!!
post #3860 of 5242
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Originally Posted by jdbimmer View Post

This is interesting. Assuming that High, Mid, Low refers to Color Temp menu selections, Pioneer has them reversed, but correctly displayed on the chart. High should be .2738x/.2753y, Mid .2853x/.2883y, and Low .3134x/.3239y. These work out to be CCT's of 11923K, 9491K, and 6504K, respectively. Most interesting is the Low 6504K CCT, which is the right number, but it is not D65.

I don't have enough experience yet to say whether those numbers are "ok", "good" or "great".

According to Wikipedia, D65 is supposed to be 6504K. Why are you saying it is not?

Also, are there standard "D" denominations for the ~12000K and ~9500K settings?

Dan.
post #3861 of 5242
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Originally Posted by info_dan View Post

I don't have enough experience yet to say whether those numbers are "ok", "good" or "great".

The High (which is really Low) Temp is close and good, but not great. It's interesting in that we don't know if it was targeted as within spec, selected as an alternative white point, or set to account for phosphor break-in to get closer to ideal after a number of hours.
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According to Wikipedia, D65 is supposed to be 6504K. Why are you saying it is not?

There are several ways to get to 6504K, but only one has the correct chromaticity (xy coordinates) that places it at the correct point along the black body curve - D65 - which for Rec.709 (HDTV) is .3127x/.329y.
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Also, are there standard "D" denominations for the ~12000K and ~9500K settings?
Dan.

There are other illuminants, but not in that range. And they are not part of the Rec.709 spec.
post #3862 of 5242
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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

I broke my 141 using the bottom of the box to brake in my 141. Just make sure you don't block any airflow around your 141.

ss

i actually started doing this last night because my stand still isn't here.

i was really just going to start the break in disk and check for any dead pixels but i was shocked when my bluray homescreen popped up for about 2 seconds and then the white screen came up for the first slide on the break in disk and the image retention was unbelieveable!

the ghost of the bluray home screen stayed there for about 10 seconds before disappearing completely. i realized right then that this is unlike any tv i've ever owned, so i punched in the break in settings and am letting it run non stop for 150 hours in the box.

i actually have a web cam set up to watch it from my iphone so i can run home if anything goes wrong. my wife thinks i'm a freak.

anyway, it seems to be fine, the bottom doesn't get hot at all, just the top is warm.

one question - the spacing of the fans along the inside back top is uneven (left to right) - there are four of them and there seems to be a space on the left where a fifth could fit, but it is empty there. is this correct?
post #3863 of 5242
bouhhan, your wife might just be right.
post #3864 of 5242
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Originally Posted by elphillips View Post

bouhhan, your wife might just be right.

aren't they always?

on a side note, i've got the break in disk on repeat and i've noticed that it is now playing reds, blues, and purples, but no greens...

is this bad?
post #3865 of 5242
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bouhhan View Post

aren't they always?

on a side note, i've got the break in disk on repeat and i've noticed that it is now playing reds, blues, and purples, but no greens...

is this bad?

I would double check that all the files are there...the green should show up as well
post #3866 of 5242
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Originally Posted by bouhhan View Post

one question - the spacing of the fans along the inside back top is uneven (left to right) - there are four of them and there seems to be a space on the left where a fifth could fit, but it is empty there. is this correct?

Mine is this way - see the pic in my previous posting...
post #3867 of 5242
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Originally Posted by bouhhan View Post

i actually started doing this last night because my stand still isn't here.

i was really just going to start the break in disk and check for any dead pixels but i was shocked when my bluray homescreen popped up for about 2 seconds and then the white screen came up for the first slide on the break in disk and the image retention was unbelieveable!

the ghost of the bluray home screen stayed there for about 10 seconds before disappearing completely. i realized right then that this is unlike any tv i've ever owned, so i punched in the break in settings and am letting it run non stop for 150 hours in the box.

i actually have a web cam set up to watch it from my iphone so i can run home if anything goes wrong. my wife thinks i'm a freak.

anyway, it seems to be fine, the bottom doesn't get hot at all, just the top is warm.

one question - the spacing of the fans along the inside back top is uneven (left to right) - there are four of them and there seems to be a space on the left where a fifth could fit, but it is empty there. is this correct?

I like the idea of using a web cam.

Yes that is the way Pioneer builds the 141 and places the fans.
I would not add any more fans.


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Originally Posted by bouhhan View Post

aren't they always?

on a side note, i've got the break in disk on repeat and i've noticed that it is now playing reds, blues, and purples, but no greens...

is this bad?

Yes you do want Green. The three primary colors are Red, Blue and Green.

Don't worry your 141 is fine, just make sure you get Green going along (ASAP) with Red, Blue and secondaries.

ss
post #3868 of 5242
thank you all very much for the replies.

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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

I would double check that all the files are there...the green should show up as well

i restarted my bd player when i got home and reset it to repeat and now it is running shades of red, green and blue - must have been my player...

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Originally Posted by mak99 View Post

Mine is this way - see the pic in my previous posting...

thanks sir, that's just how it looks. btw, how often do people's fans go on? i've been running d-nice's break in settings non stop for a day and haven't heard them yet... i looked for a setting in the manual for fans, but apparently there isn't one/it's all auto...

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Originally Posted by sillysally View Post

I like the idea of using a web cam.

Yes that is the way Pioneer builds the 141 and places the fans.
I would not add any more fans.

Yes you do want Green. The three primary colors are Red, Blue and Green.

Don't worry your 141 is fine, just make sure you get Green going along (ASAP) with Red, Blue and secondaries.

ss

thank you, thank you thank you... i'll be trying out your isf settings once i'm done breaking in if i can figue out cc...

25 hrs down, 125 to go...
post #3869 of 5242
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Originally Posted by bouhhan View Post

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thanks sir, that's just how it looks. btw, how often do people's fans go on? i've been running d-nice's break in settings non stop for a day and haven't heard them yet... i looked for a setting in the manual for fans, but apparently there isn't one/it's all auto...25 hrs down, 125 to go...

they probably will not come on. only a few owners have even reported seeing or hearing them come on at all.

i ran my breakin for 224+ hours straight through on my 60" Elite, normal room temps of 75-78 degrees and never had them come on that i knew of.
post #3870 of 5242
Thread Starter 
I dont think you will hear them come on even if they do.
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