Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 133

fantastic - thanks very much.

if anyone has a 6020 stand for sale, please send me a pm.

Thanks a lot for your feedback!

Guess I'll go with the authorized dealer. I shouldn't be "penny-wise, pound-foolish," as they say in England.

What does it mean that if the primary memory fails and the panel state will be lost?

you can still get a good deal on the from an authorized dealer.. many who have one or two in stock basically want to get rid of them. the wont give them away for free, but u can get a nice deal off list price.

I don't know. The electronics may do things based on age (as counted by pulses) and that's something that stored in the EEPROM. When certain components are replaced various counters are zeroed by the service tech.

I'm a bit unsure why you don't just get it fixed but anything I might say about side-effects is speculative and shouldn't be considered a professional opinion. And of course that includes speculation about what might be the root cause of your error indication.

I just thought that I would relay an amazingly frustrating experience that I had tonight. Because of where I am posting, you can probably guess the ending.

So, we suffered a power outage for a few hours tonight. I have most of my electronics on battery backups of one sort or another. As luck would have it, I had the bias light for my TV plugged into the battery backup (rather silly, but it was useful to have some source of light).

As time went on, the battery backup was showing a progressively decreasing amount of battery time left, so I was powering off and/or unplugging just about everything, including the TV.

Soon after I had unplugged my receiver, the power comes back on. Hooray, I can go about watching TV and web surfing. Or not... my internet connection wouldn't work.

I checked everything:
- DSL Modem, check
- Network switch, check
- Wireless router, check
- Main gateway...on, but looking more closely, I was getting an error with regard to the fact that the IP address 192.168.1.1 was already taken. Nothing had changed in the settings, but I futzed with settings every which way. I could ping 192.168.1.1 from various machines, but it obviously wasn't the gateway. I start unplugging devices (Ooma VOIP adapters, other computers, etc.).

Finally, I try something that I should have tried before, which was to go to 192.168.1.1 in a web browser (I had tried, but with an https: prefix, because that is what my gateway uses). And what comes up? MY KURO'S WEB INTERFACE!

So, the Kuro or whatever DHCP server it hit decided that it would be a good idea to give 192.168.1.1 to the television. To me, that is baffling. I just thought that I would share, in case anyone else happens to run into a situation like this where their television prevents them from connecting to the internet.

I have never experienced anything like this. It is almost enough to make me want to disconnect the Kuro from the network, but instead I just gave it a static IP address.

These sorts of problems can be hard to debug and they're more common than they should be due to many vendors using the same default addresses. 1.1 is a particular favorite.

i have 141, where can i buy pioneer demostration disk blue ray?, one with the girl, fish, flowers, etc,,, thanks

ebay but you can also download from demoworld.eu (but at a lower bitrate, I think)

Precisely my thoughts!

Ok. I guess the power outage left a lot of room to assume worse. Everyone give your signature series a big hug tonight and tell it how much you love it, because the next time this story is told, the ending could be worse.

I'm reposting this owner's report here so that others will be able to read it. It's included in the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...sung+UN55B8500

According to this reviewers opinion, the KURO is still king of the flat panel displays- and in pretty much every category! I wonder just how long the KURO will be able to remain top dog?!? The KURO appears to be an even better investment than I originally imagined!

What do you guys think about the reliability of the 141FD? How many of you had to call a service tech to take a look at the TV? How long have you had your 141s for?

I recently made the switch to a 141FD after taking back an XBR8. My fear is that the 141 may cost me more down the line. Of course I have the 2 years manufactured warranty but I'm more concerned about the problems I'd have with the display 2+ years down the line. With the Sony, I would have no problem turning down an expensive extended warranty because I know their products are quality. With the 141, I'm not so sure.

I've never owned a Pioneer display, and already out of the box (open item) it has a constant flashing blue light and solid red light on. Doesn't appear to be serious as the TV does not shut off and the PQ is outstanding, but the flashing is annoying. There does not appear to be any documentation on this error for this specific display anywhere in this forum, or for that matter google. Another manual suggests the error means "No digital adjustment data copied for backup". Seems like buying the service manual is the only true way I can diagnose the problem myself. To fix it is another issue, probably requiring the $70 service remote (and that might fix it, not for sure). The Pioneer customer support had to refer me to a local service tech. The local service tech had to call Pioneer for support and has not heard back in several days. Back and forth we go. It has been 5 days since I've called the techs and I still don't have an appointment. Maybe I'm just having a bad experience.

Either way, I'd like to get a feel from you Pioneer plasma owners about the reliability of the display. No question that the Elite series is the best of the best in terms of PQ, but if the best comes with a short life span I'd rather go with an XBR8.

Let me know your thoughts. Thanks.

Who did you buy the set from? If you compare number of complaints between the xbr8 and the 141fd in their respective forums, I think you will see that the quality of the Pioneer product is greater than the Sony. I personally sprung for an extended warranty with my 141 since I planned on it being my reference for 5-10years. I got mine brand new with a 4 year warranty, but haven't had any problems. Sorry to hear about your problem.

I bought mine from Best Buy, both the 141 and the XBR8. I feel that I would never have to have a Sony serviced. I have an XBR2 bought about 2-3 years ago that has never had a problem. The warranty was $600 for 4 years. I think that's a bit high considering you're only getting an additional 2 year on top of the manufactures.

Best Buy has 30day return policy- tell them to either fix it or take it back!

Bought my 141FD from BB. It was fantastic for about 20 hours then "Pflit" no picture and red light flashing twice. BB replaced the defective unit with another new one. The second 141 is as good as the first for PQ. I hope this set lasts longer than 20 hours.

I also have a 43" Pio plasma that is 4 years old and is still flawless. I believe the Pio is of higher quality than Sony. I had several issues with my old Sony XBR 36"

CFX--
I worked for Sony in the retail division for nearly 2 years and let me tell you this--- I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE SONY PRODUCTS BELOW DEALER COST AND I STILL TOOK THE 141 OVER THE XBR8!!!
As for problems, first of all, let me inform you that Sony shares a facility with Samsung where the raw LCD panels are manufactured. Many of the components are from China and Asian countries and the panels are assembled in either Mexico or Asia. THEY ARE NOT FROM JAPAN!
Most of the Kuro comes from Japan and it is assembled in good old USA.
Awhile back I posted on here that I had to order a new bezel for my Kuro and what a pleasant surprise when I received it from Pioneer and the shipping box had Japanese shipping labels all over it! The bezel was 100% made in Japan with authentic Japanese urushi finish and then shipped to California.
What I am saying is that quality wise you simply cannot go wrong with the Kuro and I myself paid the extra for it when I worked for Pioneer's competitor and could have had the XBR8 for much less.
Its a great product and you'll be very happy with it!

How long ago was this? BB seems to be out of 141s now.

The initial 141FD was delivered on Sept 23rd. It died on Sept 26th. The second was installed on October 6th, two days ago.

My BB had one on the floor and now has another that I suspect they will repair and sell as an open box. The on-line locator service does not show their inventory for this model. The same BB had around 50 of the 151 models in stock.

I also saw 141's and 151's in a Lakeville, Minnesota BB in early September.

The Magnolia manager says they keep getting them in.

Thanks for the info.

you can get a Mack 3 year add on warranty which would give you 5 years total coverage for ~$302 for a plasma under $5000.

the bb ext warranties are way overpriced.

I read somewhere that SquareTrade warranties are superior to Mack when it comes to claims. ST is supposed to be a lot easier to deal with.

Any truth to that?

How trustworthy do you think the Mack warranty is?

One other question, when was the last manufactured month for the Elites? My Elite is from March 2009, were they still manufactured after that?

mine is april 09.

We have you work with your local authorized Pioneer service center on the IN home warranties.


We have been in business since 1938 so I think our name speaks for itself. Also all of our service contracts are fully insured in the event we go out of business(which is not going to happen).