Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 138

Is your onkyo tx-sr805 set to pass through your video.
Are you using professional mode setting on your BD-30.
Have you seen my updated settings on the first page of this thread.

Your colors using others settings, not done on your display could be off. But you shouldn't be getting any blurring in your blacks with my settings.
I would review all of your settings from your source, A/V and your 141.

ss

I love your settings. What I was trying to say is that it looks great, but while the bluray stuff has epic blacks, the HDTV/cable doesn't match it - my setup is good I think - I have cable box video direct into the 141 with hdmi and audio with optical sound to the reciever.

Basically, bluray looks amazing and I was wondering if people settle for less than amazing for the 1080i/720p cable stuff or if there is someting I don't know...

Thanks Peter.

Got it. Try and put pure cinema to standard. Screen size to Full1. HDMI color space to Auto, Enhancer Mode: 2 and sharpness around -9. These settings may help for cable box. You still can use your ISF modes. If you have your settings for your Bluray set to ISF mode night, then you can use these more standard settings along with the rest of my ISF night settings by inputting to your ISF Day mode.
But you will never get as good a picture that you get from your BluRay disc, using cable TV.

ss

Your 141's HDMI input color space ("Video" in the Input menu) for the SA8300HDC must be set to RGB16-235 to match its output. Setting it to "Auto" will cause an RGB16-235->RGB0-255 mismatch and mess up your black level.

If you are using an AVR or other HDMI switch, your best bet is to put all non-configurable RGB16-235 sources on one HDMI input configured for RGB16-235; Connect all YCbCr and RGB0-255 devices on a separate HDMI port configured as "Auto". Or use HDMI 3 and 4 to separate things as needed...Or configure your YCbCr devices (if possible) to RGB16-235 so they can be used on the same input as the SA8300HDC.

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Do you know whether the 2009 models are supposed to have 10g technology built into them as opposed to Fall 2008 models? I've read somewhere that this may be the case with 101FD. I was wondering whether the same applied to the 141. That is, are the 2009 141s supposed to have better PQ than 2008 ones?

Thanks!

so should we pick the latest built pro 151 fd? how late

only the 500M and Pro101 50" monitor panels. none of the 60" panels have it.

sticker on the box as mentioned and should be a sticker on the back of the panel with assembly month/year.

darn it! should i downgrade to 50 inch lol

i had read this about the 500 and 600m series, but i didn't know it applied to the 141 as well...

um, so... i have the cable box direct into the monitor through hdmi on input 5 and bluray through the avr on input 6.

so i need to goto input 5 and change this setting on the tv? or a setting on the cable box? or both?

sorry for my confusion and thanks for the help.

thanks peter - i'll try these tonight. i have a dedicated input for the cable, so no problem there.

what do you think about the color space suggestion above?

(Someone can correct me if I'm wrong) but I'm fairly certain that it applies to all 101/141/500/600 models.

You only need to change the setting on the 141's HDMI1 (Input5) Input configuration to RGB16-235 (the 8300HD doesn't have a color space option).

Yes that's why I suggested Auto and Full1. Once you have a picture from your cable box you can go into HDMI CS a see what your 141 is defaulting to. And yes It's probably is RGB.

Most of the time when I post to a user suggestions, I try t to keep it very simple. The reason is that I don't know there level of understanding.

But yes play with your HDMI CS and see what you like best for source. And then just set that CS (color space), in your case whatever ISF mode you are using and port and then when you use whatever port you are using for whatever ISF mode, your 141 will always default to that CS.

Or you can leave CS to Auto with your 141 and set the CS in your source if it has the capability to do that.

Example; My 141 CS is set to auto. My BD-09 CS is set to 4:4:4. My BD-83 is set to CS 4:2:2. So when my BD players make there handshake with my 141, my 141 will use whatever CS my source is using.

ss

Thanks for the clarification!

As I posted earlier in this thread the 141 power cable is shielded with a common mode choke. That is the improvement you are hearing.
Using and unshielded A/C power cable after the power conditioner partially defeats the purpose of the power conditioner, as it allows noise to re-enter.

http://www.mouser.com/Wire-Cable/AC-...+cable&FS=True
Make a quaintly purchase for your entire system. Be really happy as this will save you decades of experimentation and $$$.

One area where you should experiment is, for three prong gear, ground the shield (third prong) only at one end. To this end I typically use 69 cent cheater plugs from Lowes.
All my power conditioners are fully grounded but typically my gear is not, with the exception of my A/V controller.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shielded_cable

Everything can be explained by engineering principle, but in general it takes decades of experience to become wise, as many charlatans want to make a fortune off of you. Don't do what I have done. Remember replacing a poor dirty contact with a brand new cable is not fair. Rather clean the existing cable, and then make the comparison.
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the only mode i likes is sport mode, all other mode look pretty yucky to me. to bad
dynamic can not access to manual tweaking. so much for 141.
sport mode.
contrast 60
color 10
brightness 3
gamma 3
tint 0
sharpness 15
standard, drive 3, acl on, enchancer high, dre high, color mang 2, mid high, other all off,
etc,, tweaking color temp doesn't offer much compare tweaking enhancer mode or dre mode, etc,,,,i think sport mode give you theater like experience(very good mode).

Ehh, you may like how it looks, but Sport mode + those settings is pretty much the polar opposite of a theater-like experience.

Why did you buy a plasma?

You're running it in panel aging/break-in mode all the time.

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No, using the Pioneer power cord has nothing to do with what I hear. And as long as you have a well shielded power cord and keep it 2 meters or less there shouldn't be any problem with line noise. Unless of course you put the cord next to a motor or something like that. Matter of fact I space all my cords and cables so non are touching.


Link is dead.


If your power conditioner is properly zoned then you should not get a ground loop.
And yes as your links points out, if there is a benefit to power cords then use a short run power cord. And imo same goes for any power cord, or cable like a HDMI or interconnect.


Links are dead.

Yes I agree there are a lot of snake oil cables and cords (silver in them, big red flag) out there. And yes I do clean off my cables and cords connectors. The only reason why I do that is because I have a tube amp and use mainly nos (40/60 year old) tubes, so I have the cleaning stuff anyway. But I don't usually keep my hardware for more than 2 years. So in my case any existing cord or cable that comes stock with my equipment is new.

In conclusion, the biggest gain that i see or hear is with audio. And that is mainly why I use a particular type of cable or cord. Of course in the case of my BD-83 or BD-09 used for a source player for both AQ/PQ then the PQ comes into play, so once more you have to make sure that the cable or cord doesn't reduce the PQ at the expense of improving AQ.
The easiest why to understand what a particular cord or cable can do is if you have a good tube amp or something like it and understand the value of tube rolling and how different tubes can make a difference in your AQ.

ss

+1. Those posted settings cannot be doing justice to the 141's capabilities...

We watched most of last night's game on our 141*, and the blacks looked great. ISF-Day mode, settings posted a few pages back. When we finished watching the game upstairs on the 40" Samsung LCD, black levels were nowhere near, and the "pop" was gone.

* Comcast/Motorola HD cable box, HDMI into Onkyo 805, HDMI to 141 Input #8, Auto setting? (I think?).

I have a guy coming over to Nanaimo BC in the next week or so.

Can i ask why you chose "My BD-83 is set to CS 4:2:2" rather than using same cs for both source devices?

Well, I was able to return my open item 141 which had apparently had a circuit board replaced for a brand new 151 for less than what I paid for my open item 141!

The PQ on the 151 is truly superior to that of my open item 141 (probably because of the replaced circuit board). Whites actually look white and the blacks seem to blend in to the bezel of TV. I cannot be more satisfied. Now I'm breaking it in with the D-Nice settings and Evangelo's DVD. Thanks again to the forum for your support. To have such a wealth of knowledge and experts in addition to valuable opinions is what makes this forum so great.

I do have another question, I had bought the GGF1589 remote to troubleshoot my old 141. Since I no longer have the 141 I'm trying to find other uses for the remote. Can this remote enable ISF modes on the 151? I've gone into factory menu but it's difficult to navigate for someone who does not understand Pioneer's service interface.

Thanks again!

The Oppo has some small issues. I really don't want to ruffle any feathers so i am not going to be specific, however that was discussed by UMR and me a few days ago on the BD-83 owners thread.

The key point that I had made is that most folks will not have a problem with these issues.

ss

i have always advised folks to their disliking not to buy floor models, esp plasma

I need to make a decision in the next few days with respect to my main display and I have narrowed it down to the 60 inch Kuro 141-FD and the 65 inch Panasonic TC-P65V10.

Taking into account the size, picture quality, reliability and customer service if it breaks - can as many folks as possible please share your opinions with me with respect to which TV to go with?

I will primarily be watching sports (70%) and Direct TV HD programming / BluRay movies (30%).

At this point, the cost of each TV is virtually identical.

Please share your thoughts ASAP.

Thanks,

Bob

I'm trying to choose between the same two TV's.

What I can glean so far is that the KURO has better absolute blacks, whilst the Panny is capable of revealing better shadow detail (assuming both displays are properly calibrated).

Most people seem to prefer the overall picture of the KURO- but it's not like the Panny is a slouch- I have a 42" G10, and I think it's a damn fine display.

Lastly- you can't discount the extra 5" you get out of the Panny. That translates to 15% more screen real estate. And that's what forces the real question. Which is more important to you- absolute reference picture quality from the KURO, or really good picture quality with a bigger picture from the Panny?

I guess I'm not being much help- I can't make up my own damn mind, either!

I may be mistaken, but I don't think so. That although the service remote will get you into the service menus and service adjustments. Is that it can not get you the ISF modes. The ISF mode and it's setting are totally separate and different function from the service menu. And that to access the ISF mode to enable it or to make adjustments if it is enabled, requires a software program to access it.

And also be aware, that according to some people. Is that you can possibly do some some damage to the set with careless use of the service remote, that you would not be able to do with the software that's used to access the ISF menu/mode.

could you point me in the direction of that discussion? I have been using 4:4:4 as its the only method by which the oppo would successfully push the higher bit rate to my 141 via my onkyo 3007 and thus I would be interested to hear/read what the issue was.