Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 160

You can try my Pure mode settings that I posted back in September, found here. It might be a good starting point for you, since you don't need ControlCal to enter these values. If you do want to get maximum performance out of your 141, I'd suggest buying ControlCal from Turbe and try some other AVS'ers values, or at least hire a 9G ISF calibrator who has ControlCal.


No worries at all, the disc will run for about 24 hours straight - but I stopped/restarted every day, usually before going to work and/or before going to bed. I've actually used this disc on two other plasmas (Hitachi's) the last couple years, and it runs just fine. Since I had the 141 in "torch-like" settings during the break-in, I put up some small fans to keep it well ventilated. If you look at my picture in my other post, there's a gray fan on the floor blowing on the front, and a smaller black one on a chair behind the 141.

Are all your devices connected behind a router (e.g. Linksys, Netgear, etc.)?
Does your network assign IPs automatically? This is also called DHCP.

If so, find out the IP address for your Mac. It may be something like 192.168.0.102. The 141 will often be a one higher or lower (depends on what powered on first). e.g. 192.168.0.101 or 192.168.0.103. If that doesn't work, try a few more IPs in each direction.

The other way is to assign a static IP to your 141. You need to know the LAN IP address of your router (e.g. 192.168.0.1). This is also your default gateway on your Mac.
Change the last octet of the above IP (.1 in this case) to a number not usually assigned (e.g. .141 is a good one and easy for you to remember) and make this the static IP for your 141. The default gateway is the LAN IP address of your router. The subnet mask is almost always 255.255.255.0.

I recommend assigning a static IP to anything that is a server (i.e. you access it from another device). Just use an IP that is not normally assigned by DHCP (between .120 and .240 is usually safe).


...karl

Section 6.8.1 of your manual. Admittedly it's not obvious that you select each menu item to retrieve the value.

So the reason I can't use SillySally's settings is because unless I have ControlCal, then I won't be able to enter the values?

I'm not sure what you mean by reference settings. Do you mean the settings that I should use to watch TV after the panel aging period?

Please do not repost these setting, thanks.

For those newer owners of a 141, you can use these PURE mode settings to see if they work for your specific viewing environment and 141. Note that to get the max performance from your 141, I recommend a full ISF calibration by one of the many great calibrators here on the forum, or as recommended over at the ControlCal website.

I had the 141 "tuned up" last night, thanks to Michael Chen who did the original, full calibration back in Aug 2009 (with previous Pio BDP-51FD). Since he was on another tour in our area, I had him come by to fully integrate our Oppo BDP-83 with the 141. He used CalMan and the Minolta CS200 (IIRC) to do the calibration, along with the CalMan software. He also used both the Spears & Munsil and DVE Blu-ray discs for the test patterns.

Pioneer 9G Elite Monitor 141 / Pure mode settings
Oppo BDP-83 (fw BDP83-48-1224), AUTO video output
(video tweaks to Oppo will be posted later as info not readily available)

Final PURE mode settings for HDMI 4 (Input #8):
Contrast: 40
Brightness: +1
Color: +10
Tint: Green +1
Sharpness: -10
Color temp: Manual
WB Red High: -10
WB Green High: -7
WB Blue High: 0
WB Red Low: 0
WB Green Low: 0
WB Blue Low: -1
Gamma: 1

Film mode: Advanced
Text mode: Off
Intelligence: Off
DRE picture: Off
Black level: Off
ACL: Off
Enhancer mode: 1 (Hard)

CTI: Off
Color space: 2

Color management:
Red: 0
Yellow: 0
Green: 0
Cyan: 0
Blue: 0
Magenta: 0

3DNR: Off
Field NR: Off
Block NR: Off
Mosquito NR: Off

3DYC: Mid
I-P Mode: 2 (standard)
Drive mode: 1
Game control pref: Off

Other pertinent info:
Screen size: Dot by Dot
Energy save: Standard
Orbiter: Off


Use the above to see how they work for you - hopefully they will offer some improvements...

Aiy-Ya!!!!!!

Color = +10 ?????????

If you want to use ISFccc settings you should use ControlCAL. If you're adjusting Pure, Standard, User etc. you can do that in the normal Picture menu.


Yes. D-Nice panel aging setting are only for use during the first 150 of use to be followed by the D-Nice reference settings. There are no reference settings for the 101FD/141FD/600M so there's no point in doing the D-Nice panel aging process if you have one of those monitors. Some people think there's some value in doing it anyway while others suggest following the recommendations in the Owner's Manual.

Panel aging settings:

Example reference settings (for a 151):

D-Nice has observed that the range of acceptable values for Color is surprising (to the rest of us).

The utility of video tweaks to the Oppo is another kettle of fish.

Yea, I didn't want to open that can o' worms

But steve...you just did!

Remember that these were the Pure mode settings, and we normally use ISF-Day. Interesting to note that Michael's previous calibration had Color at +6 for Pure and all ISF modes - now all modes are at +10. IIRC, he used Blue Only mode and the DVE (or S&M?) color bars to initially check/adjust color and tint again last night. But when he was fine-tuning and snapping pix after with his colorimeter, all results were damn near centered within the bulls-eye target.

I only watched one movie last night (9) after the calibration, which looked great. But since it's an animation with dreary colors, probably not the best to see if anything amiss. I'll watch The Dark Knight again tonight to make sure all looks good...plus I'm eager to experience the tunnel chase scene with the new 15" sub...

I would never doubt Michael's work. He is very well respected and earned that respect by delivering great results!

I think many of us are in the 4-7 range for color and I was just concerned about the jump up to 10. I've been toying with the idea of touching up my calibration lately, but had been putting it off, because I didn't think it would require much change. Now, I will probably have to break out the gear and do it (yes, Peter, I'll PM you), if for no other reason than to satisfy my curiosity about where my values might need to go

The can o' worms was "tweaks to the -83". Everything I can see/measure on the -83, along with reviews and testing, has the -83 measuring just about perfectly neutral. That's a holy war for some folks, so I just refrain from getting into discussions over whether or not any of the PQ controls on the -83 need adjusting - especially with higher end displays such as ours.

I wish I had access to a premium generator, so I could actually measure it, in my configuration

No worries, I knew you were just having some fun! I agree, Michael does a great job calibrating and the teachings to the client along the way! I'd recommend him to anyone that could use his services. I'll gladly have him perform tune-ups on the 141 on a regular basis, or on any new, "calibration-worthy" panels we buy in the future.

The only adjustment made to the -83 was Contrast was adjusted to -3 (I just now checked). I know that Michael had made a similar adjustment to the Pio 51FD back in August. I saw onscreen with my own eyes the improvements he made adjusting the 51FD, and I know that his -83 adjustments were also for good reason. After watching the majority of The Dark Knight this evening, I can't remember if it ever looked this good. The IMAX scenes were particularly impressive, with more perfect-looking colors and detail than should be allowed by law. But that's the way we roll around here...

To all the new 141 owners who don't yet have ControlCal - get the hours on your panel and get a great calibrator - you will not be disappointed...

Hey guys, i just revieved my 141 and am new to AV.

I was wondering if anyone has replaced/upgraded thier power cord? My run to the power conditioner is a bit far. It seems the the IEC connector needs to be 'slim' as there is not much room where it plugs into the monitor.

What have others found to work? Brands,ect?

Thanks

My 141 connects to my Panamax via a 15' 14 gauge power cord that I got from Monoprice.com. Works perfectly. I'd advise against getting one of the smaller gauge cords for long runs.

Did he use a sig/pattern gen to calibrate the 141's input? Then use S&M/DVE/AVS709 to calibrate the -83? If so, then I can understand how there could be a difference in readings, when putting the -83 in the mix.

That's the dilemma I have. I don't have external equipment, so I have to use the -83 to perform the cal, using S&M/DVE/AVS709.

Glad to hear it's "looking good". Dark Knight is a great reference source. When I show off my 141, I use that along with Master & Commander

IIRC, he made adjustments to the -83 first using S&M, then the 141 itself using ControlCal and CalMan patterns with DVE BD...I think. Sorry I can't be more exact!

It's "looking good" when the 141 is off! However, it's "looking effen' awesome" when I was watching TDK...

M&C doesn't have the visual "pop" for me compared to TDK - well, at least not the detail and colors as the movies are different visual styles...though the M&C soundtrack is absolutely nuts during the battle scenes, especially since I recently upgraded the sub...

If you're calibrating digital inputs you can't improve on the Oppo datastream. Don't confuse monitor limitations with source problems.

The only reason I'd like to use external equipment is to verify what I already know, that is - the -83 is completely neutral and requires no adjustments. But, unless someone drops by unexpectedly with about $10K+ worth of gear, I'm not pursuing it

83 compared to an Accupel 4000 says the 83 is neutral (default settings)

Way good enough for me

No need to break out the i1pro for another 1000 hours now.

I got the OPPO after my Kuro video calibration so thats good to know.

Is there a way to change the Side Mask Level on a PRO-101/141 monitor using ControlCal?
I want the side bars to be black when I select the 4:3 screen size.

Is there a way to get into the Service Menu using ControlCal like you can on a PRO-111 or PDP-5020? The Side Mask Level was a changeable option in the service menu.

This link show's the option for everything but the monitors:

http://www.controlcal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120

You said dilemma so I thought perhaps there was some concern. Aside from reasonable expectation Spears and Munsil have verified the output from the -83 which is a much stronger statement than comparison with a signal generator. Sufficiently so that if there was a difference one should assume the generator is at fault.

No concern. As I said before, I know that the -83 is neutral. The only dilemma is that I cannot A/B it myself. So, I really cannot offer first-hand opinions about making adjustments within the -83.

That was the can of worms that I was concerned about opening.

What color space do you have the Oppo-83 set to?

I use 444.

So...this is my first EVER Home Theater attempt...and I find I am lacking knowledge regarding upconversion, DVD, Blu Ray...and which scaler to use (DVD player vs. 141...)

Last week I purchased a 141fd from Main St. Electronics in Santa Ana. Awesome, awesome store and people (No affiliation).

Last night, after running about 20 hours of Evangelo2's DVD just to make sure the panel was "OK", I finally put the 141 on the stand in my TV room. (I was waiting for the stand and mount, etc)

I am using an Oppo DV-981HD upconverting DVD player and just threw in the first movie I could find...Van Wilder.

Now, I know I was using a crappy DVD, and an upconverting DVD player but I want to still be able to watch DVD...

Needless to say I wasn't that impressed...PS3 or a newer Blue Ray will be added to the mix here soon but in the meantime I'm stuck with DVD upconverting.

Everything I've read about Blu Ray today doesn't lead me to believe the picture will be much better.

DirecTV is set to install HD DVR within the next few weeks so that should be nice as well.

My setup* (as soon as UPS and Fedex drop the stuff off) will be:

Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH*
Definitive Tech Mythos Surround Setup*
PS3 or Oppo Blu Ray
DirecTV HD DVR
XBOX360 for games
Wii for games

I know this may not be the best place, but any recommendations on how to set the TV for the best DVD viewing?

Perhaps this was a typo. An extraordinary DVD transfer can appear to look as good as a mediocre BD but not side-by-side (visual memory is weak).


Leave the scaling to the Oppo. My experience is with the -83 but the -80 is probably quite good too. For the very best DVD experience you probably need an external processor like the Duo particularly if you're using a PS3.

That makes sense. I'm hoping to have the Kuro POP soon that everyone loves. I probably did myself a disservice watching the 5 minutes of Van Wilder...which by the way is a DVD with Widescreen and Fullscreen on the same DVD, via menu selection.

So...Van Wilder was probably a very poor choice in my haste.



I'm considering the -83 and the -80. That said, a PS3 would be nice for some Netflix streaming but the streaming on a 60" panel would probably leave a lot to be desired.

Anyone stream Netflix through a PS3 here? I have had little luck with searching for specific results with the 141 and PS3 Netflix streaming...


Thanks bodosom for the quick reply, very helpful!