Signature Elite 141 Owners Thread - Page 162

Well...with the help of some fine folks on this forum, I have located a NIB 141 from an authorized dealer and it is on its way to my house. Won't arrive until Tuesday! I CAN'T WAIT!!!

Sorry to hear this! If possible, please update when you get this figured out...

Have you checked all HDMI connections at the 141 and 83, to make sure they are tight and lined up perfectly? I know the HDMI signal from my Onkyo 805 to the 141 can go blank/intermittent if the connection @ the 805 is not perfectly aligned. Luckily this has only happened once, but it was a good reminder that HDMI connections can be susceptible...

Will do, thanks for your suggestion and concern. It's an odd failure, and I don't know the workings of a TV enough to guess the problem.

The BDP83 and the sat box feed into the hdmi switcher for the Emotiva LMC1 pre/pro. A single hdmi cable connects from the switcher to input 5 on the 141.
This has been working fine since last October. Select Cable for TV, DVD for the Oppo. Perfect.
Now, when the sat box (cable) is selected through the LMC1, it still works fine.
Switch (through the pre/pro) to the BDP83 (DVD), the 141 says no input signal.
If I connect the same way with the same cable to another TV, both the sat box and the BDP83 work fine.
If I run the same hdmi cable direct from the BDP83 to the 141, no input signal, but if I run it to the other TV, it's fine.
And there's no signal at all, from either output device, being read in hdmi inputs 6,7 or 8. Screen goes blank for a second but it doesn't change from input 5.

I'm guessing there's a faulty hdmi board or some such thing, but it's curious that at the same hdmi input, the sat box works fine and the BDP83 is not seen.
I'm gonna try component or DVI when i can find my other cables, see how that works.

Anyway, next call Pioneer. Thanks, and I'll let you know how it goes.

Mike.

My 141 seems to be encountering a random picture bounce on moving scenes. I originally thought it was judder via 24p bluray but then i started seeing it on DTV as well. I am using ISF night for most TV viewing. Any others have any ideas or potential methods for checking root cause? I use only one input on my 141. should I switch inputs/hdmi cables...

The control program referenced here may be of interest to Signature owners (that use Windows and have their display networked).

Hey guys!

I've been searching this info for a while and can't find the answer....

Does the signature support lip-sync and do I have to activate somewhere in the menus???

The sign has no audio but to my understanding the lip-sync signal has nothing to do with audio...it is just the unit sending the optimum delay according to the delay used for processing the video. So I suppose it supports it but can't find the answer even the owner manual.

thanks!

No.

thanks...so anyone know the good setting on a pro-101fd in ms to match the delay of processing?

I'm sorry, I was overly terse. Although people that make products to fix subliminal audio and video synchronization (AV sync) will argue that all modern devices need correction that's not the main issue. My reasonably careful assessment -- based on using minimal to no processing in the display and AVR -- show no "in the display" AV sync delay. Presumably due to good engineering on the part of Pioneer. Any AV sync problems I have are related to the source (satellite TV) or source device (e.g. C-200) and are as often as not irreparable with the delay adjustment in my AVR.

Does the Pro 141FD model use different onscreen display menu's than that of the 151 model ?

Yes. Some are similar or the same, some are different and some are unique (e.g. Television Tuner set-up).

Why do you ask?

Thanks Bodosom ! I really like the way the 151 model displays a small screen when you are in various menus rather than the overlay of the 141 menu. Also when in optimum mode it displays what the tv is doing. I thought my 141 could do the same and perhaps I have it set up incorrectly? Not a big deal really but I just like the look of the menu's. BTW, I love my 141 and would like to get it professionally calibrated in the future.

Hello everyone, been lurking forever while hoping to finally get my 141. So I pulled the trigger and should be receiving it next week. I have been reading for hours upon hours and honestly am getting quite confused with all the info I am absorbing here. I'm sure I will be posting some already asked questions in the near future but want it to be known that I will have searched exhaustively before posting. I understand I need to do a 150 hour burn in, I will be using Evangelo2's DVD for burn in, so here's my first ?

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I have the link from a previous post in here to the downloads at AVSHD, are these still "up to date" or is their a better source I can get for the disc?

i honestly wouldn't bother to do the break in.

just watch full screen content on mode 1 for the first few hundred hours.

after that, i would activate the isf modes for sure, and then pay to have it professionally calibrated by one of the great people on this forum if it is within your budget.

just enjoy the set.

i have to say, after owning it for almost a year now, it still blows me away.

Well, unfortunately I do not have any furniture in the tv room yet as I'm finishing the tile/ flooring so I won't be watching anything on it yet. I guess I can run full content as long as it doesn't distract me from finishing the floors! I will be hiring someone to calibrate definitely, looks like the closest one is in Santa Clarita so I will break in and contact.

I can whole heartedly recommend Jeff Meier for your calibration- he did my initial calibration on my 141 last April without having had any burn in at all (new out of the box) and he just came back last Sunday, one year later to check it out and it had virtually no shifting whatsoever from the initial cal.! Which is a testimony to how damned well designed these monitors are! Jeff Meier is the best in my opinion and has the best equipment for tweaking your kuro! You'll need to schedule an appointment for when he is in your area of the nation though! Right now he is making his Southern states run! Congratulations on your acquisition of the KURO!

Thanks for your follow up calibration report. I've added it to the flat panel (Post#2) list that's linked at the bottom of my post.

Owners of uncalibrated Kuro displays might want to read calibration reports for their model display using the same link.

I second your recommendation regarding Jeff Meier (UMR). After having previous experience with 2 different local calibrators I learned the hard way that all ISF consultants are not equal ei in experience, talent, or quality of equipment. Jeff is definitely worth the wait in my opinion.

I originally had Jeff calibrate our new 151 Elite in January 2009 after it had 100+ hours on it. This last February 2010 he was out here again to copy both ISF Day and Night settings that I normally use with our HD TiVo and BluRay player to the TV's internal tuner which I normally don't use unless in a pinch. While here he checked my set out again just to make sure that it hadn't drifted significantly. Like your 141, it was almost identical to his original settings despite heavy use over the last year and required only a very minor touch up.

BTW, Jeff also does a fantastic job for an audio calibration if you have a Home Theater surround-sound setup.

Hi ! I was watching some BluRay discs last night using my PS3 and noticed the black levels on my 141 all of a sudden weren't that great. I compare the levels to my Samsung PN58A550 that I recently sold to my brother. I've had this tv for about three months now and it's the first time I've noticed this. I also view HD satellite with Bell Expressvu which renders great black levels. I am using the recommended settings from the PS3 threads which also produced great black levels before yesterday evening. Have any of you using the PS3 as their player experienced this? Any suggestions ? Thanks; pcarel

Thanks for the rec. Will definitely look him up when ready!

Hi guys i bought a brand new 141-fd on craigslist almost a year go. It was sealed in the box and i physically unwrapped it and tested the monitor before I purchased it from the private seller.

When i first got it I used it only to watch blu ray movies.
then i eventually got a Furman power conditioner and it helped with the picture *that's another topic*.

about three months ago I tried to use the monitor with my laptop by hooking it up with the dvi-d cable and it didn't work.

I set up all the inputs for the designated source using the remote in the setup option menu. Which in this case would be computer. I then press the button for the correct input.

The monitor doesn't display the input i selected. It only displays input 5 which is the input i use for blu ray.

I also tested other inputs by hooking up a nintentdo wii to component input but still no picture from that source either.

I've also had a few brown outs due to my crappy apartment wiring so i'm not sure if they did anything to my tv.

I think my video card is fried. I tried talk to a local electronics tv repair shop that is an pioneer authorized they said it might be the entire main assembly but have not idea. They wanted to charge me $1,000 for parts and labor.

anyone else have this issue? not being able to change inputs?

please send me an email: da_win@yahoo.com

If you want to see what you paid for with your 141, give the blu-ray Avatar a spin.

This happened to me. The "HD AV Converter" was enabled. Only input 5 will work with this turned on. Go into the Kuro Links section of the Options menu and turn it off.

A lot of you have been asking me if I got my new 50" Runco OPAL plasma installed yet...finally it was installed last weekend!! Here is a brief report of my findings;
First of all, SHADOW DETAIL annihilates my previous 141!!! I mean when there are night time scenes, the black level remains deep and inky yet fine object detail is bright and crisp---something my 141 could not acheive to this degree!
Now, the one question on everybody's mind, do the black levels meet or exceed the 141? The answer is yes and no. On an all black screen, the Runco is SLIGHTLY and I do mean SLIGHTLY lighter than my reference 141 was. When watching a letterbox film, in certain scenes the black bars do disappear. Where the Runco really excels is in 2 areas.
The first is shadow detail---like I said it blows the Pioneer away!! Blacks remain deep yet the smallest details are bright and vibrant -- the picture can really "pop" at times.
The second is processing--- and its in this area that there is absolutely no comparison with the 141---the Runco's external processor, called the DHD, takes SD signals from the cable box and makes them look almost HD! It looks as if you're watching SD on a CRT tube tv blown up to 50"!! Quite remarkable. Plasmas and LCD displays have never been able to reproduce SD signals the way the ancient CRT could---until now! Guys, you've got to get to a dealer to see this to believe it!
This tv is very cinema-like. Hard to explain, but when watching a Blu-ray it looks as if you are watching a small theater screen--which I am sure is Runco's intent.
The picture is absolutely breath taking and I am not here to bash Pioneer as I have owned their products for years---I just want to let all of you know that this is THE successor to the ELITES!!
Another point of interest is the glass. The OPAL treatment, which helps provide the reference-level blacks, is applied on THE INSIDE of the glass--NOT THE OUTER part like the Pioneer!! So, you will not rub off or damage the specially-treated glass like you can with the Pioneer.
Cosmetically this TV is perfect--- for those of you who want the absolute best this is as close as it gets!!!
-Dave

Thanks for the review Dave - sounds awesome, I'll have to go check it out.

What's the thing go for?

MSRP ~$10k.

How does the calibration look out of the box?


bob

Dave, thank you for reporting back. I am sooooo glad you rated the Runco higher than the Pioneer 141 for the simple fact that if my 141 goes out, I don't have to lower my standards with the crap that is out there now. If my 141 goes out, I think the replacement may be the 65" Runco XP-OPAL65 DHD.

Please let us know if you have any issues with rising black levels on your Runco. If you don't, it is a no brainer for me. Now let's get a Runco owners thread started.

spongebob- out of the box the picture is nothing short of breath taking! I can't wait to see what this thing is capable of when I get a full ISF calibration done!
Current US MSRP is $8995 I believe but could be wrong.
After discussions with Runco, I do not believe this panel will suffer the rising black level issues panasonic's CONSUMER line suffered. Remember these panels are made from the panasonic PROFESSIONAL line not the consumer line and are then gutted and many parts are replaced with Runco parts to their specifications.
I still cannot believe how wonderful the picture actually is. I popped in Lord of The Rings Fellowship of the Ring--- tv is on factory default with everything at 0 values (in the middle) and the colors and contrast were remarkable! Colors came right off the screen and contrast was spot on--a much, much, much brighter picture at 50% contrast than the 141 ELITE could offer. See guys, I loved my 141 but always felt it lacked brightness... especially on PURE mode and when ISF'D. I cannot believe how this tv is so bright and vivid at 50% contrast---yet black levels are strong and inky. Totally amazing!!
The one thing I think many of you will love is the fact that you will no longer have to "baby" your panel when cleaning it---the OPAL treatment is on the inside of the glass and the screen can be cleaned with regular household glass cleaner.
When the tv is turned off the screen is definitely black like the Elites. What I love most about this set is how the smallest details, like stars in space, really glow and can be quite vibrant without sacrificing black level. You really do see the smallest of details in the dark areas yet blacks remain deep and inky.
If I could have afforded the 65" at $14,000 I would have.
Another really cool thing you guys should be aware of, every once in a while Runco offers a TRADE-UP program... now what other tv manufacturer would give you credit towards a new product by trading in your old one??!! These things really do hold their value.
One more thing... and I know this bugs some of you... you will never again have to worry about scratching the bezel since its solid brushed metal---a very nice touch!! Also... gets no distracting glare.
Sorry to keep going on... but.. I have one more important point. One of the benefits of the OPAL treatment is significantly less glare---and I have not had the opportunity to touch on this yet. AGAIN, THIS PANEL BLOWS AWAY THE 141!! Even on my factory settings of 0, I can see the picture quite clearly when our patio door windows are open. It does a much better job than my 141 at reducing glare.