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post #841 of 5242
9/20/08 at 12:17am
^^ I believe he mentioned Michael "TLV" Chen...

(UMR doesn't come to Canada... as much as we try to convince him, and Michael is great)
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post #842 of 5242
9/20/08 at 6:10am
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mine gets done in Nov too..

Eliab Alvarez de la Campa from AviCal will be doing mine around the first week of November. Maybe I'll be the first? We'll see.
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post #843 of 5242
9/20/08 at 8:44am
As some of you know I've been 'agonizing' over whether to go with the 141 or 151 (Vashti appreciates THAT! ). A couple of my issues have been somewhat resolved over the last couple of days.

I bought the Samsung OTA tuner to see how it did compared to my built-in tuner on my 150. It received all the same channels, but my biggest issue was if I could get the same result on 720p channels. Although I use FIOS, and its picture is incomparable to all the other services I've had, the STB doesn't allow 'native' output. So I leave it on 1080i all the time.

What I discovered is that by using the 150 to tune to the same OTA 720p channel, I could get a significantly better, crisper picture by letting the 150 perform the upconversion. Fortunately the Samsung provides the same opportunity and the same PQ as the built-in Pioneer tuner. So the tuner issue is gone.

We move on to the USB port. I've been experimenting with my new Pioneer Elite SC-05 receiver and it too has a USB port which is part of its own Home Media Gallery. I've now been able to set the SC-05 to produce the same quality picture within its HMG as I get by inserting the same USB stick into the port on the 150. The only issue is that it doesn't give me the same thumbnail view as the HMG in the 150. Not a deal-breaker.

So that pretty much leaves resale as the only issue. I feel that the resale potential of the 151 will be better than the 141, but I could be wrong. At any rate the playing field has certainly been leveled relative to where it was a few weeks ago.
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post #844 of 5242
9/20/08 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

As some of you know I've been 'agonizing' over whether to go with the 141 or 151 (Vashti appreciates THAT! ). A couple of my issues have been somewhat resolved over the last couple of days.

I bought the Samsung OTA tuner to see how it did compared to my built-in tuner on my 150. It received all the same channels, but my biggest issue was if I could get the same result on 720p channels. Although I use FIOS, and its picture is incomparable to all the other services I've had, the STB doesn't allow 'native' output. So I leave it on 1080i all the time.

What I discovered is that by using the 150 to tune to the same OTA 720p channel, I could get a significantly better, crisper picture by letting the 150 perform the upconversion. Fortunately the Samsung provides the same opportunity and the same PQ as the built-in Pioneer tuner. So the tuner issue is gone.

We move on to the USB port. I've been experimenting with my new Pioneer Elite SC-05 receiver and it too has a USB port which is part of its own Home Media Gallery. I've now been able to set the SC-05 to produce the same quality picture within its HMG as I get by inserting the same USB stick into the port on the 150. The only issue is that it doesn't give me the same thumbnail view as the HMG in the 150. Not a deal-breaker.

So that pretty much leaves resale as the only issue. I feel that the resale potential of the 151 will be better than the 141, but I could be wrong. At any rate the playing field has certainly been leveled relative to where it was a few weeks ago.

IMO opinion and experience selling on my good quality plasmas is resale sucks on all of them and it should not be a factor when buying a high end display. I have tried it twice and decided that when I do it again I will do what I ended up doing in the past. Be a good friend and sell it for $2500 to a deserving friend.

In regards to a tuner its a tough call if you feel it makes that big of a PQ difference, but is the PQ difference greater then the coolness of the 2.5" screen? Don't forget that you will be able to make your FPMs 100% flush with the 141 if you use a bracket with a 1.5" profile. It looks awsome!

If you are placing it in a high traffic area think about how good it looks turned off too.

If you are still on the fence I would wait until we get some reports on how well the 141 looks after being calibrated and if it has any PQ improvements over the 151 although my gut says no if there are any it should be very very hard to see.

Other option is to get the 141 and buy a DVDO Edge and let it deal with the signal from the cable box.
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post #845 of 5242
9/20/08 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by ProShooter View Post

Eliab Alvarez de la Campa from AviCal will be doing mine around the first week of November. Maybe I'll be the first? We'll see.

thats one hell of a name!

When you resell your 141 be sure to state "...and its been calibrated by The Great Eliab Alvarez de la Campa!"
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post #846 of 5242
9/20/08 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post


So that pretty much leaves resale as the only issue. I feel that the resale potential of the 151 will be better than the 141, but I could be wrong. At any rate the playing field has certainly been leveled relative to where it was a few weeks ago.

Hi Ken. I love watching your process! I personally wouldn't put resale high on my list of issues. I don't think either the 151 or 141 will do well. Prices are improving quickly. By next year, the sets will be cheaper, thinner, and brighter. That's gonna murder resale value. (that and the economy)

I would think the 151 might edge out the 141 because of tuner and speakers. But the 141 will get some advantage from thinness and it's very sexy form factor.

Also, you've got a PM. (said in annoying AOL voice)
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post #847 of 5242
9/20/08 at 10:16am
Ken,

I am sure one way or another you will be happy. I used to think that the 151 could sell for more in terms of the resale value however I think now that there is that special "value" in the 141 that could keep the price higher. Being that its a special production unit and that not as many of them out there. And people that will probably buy one eventually would want to pay the higher price and would not care about the tuner. Also the MSRP is higher (in US) but you are paying the same or pretty much the same and that can make a difference as well. Just my thoughts, good luck.
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post #848 of 5242
9/20/08 at 10:34am
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IMO opinion and experience selling on my good quality plasmas is resale sucks on all of them and it should not be a factor when buying a high end display. I have tried it twice and decided that when I do it again I will do what I ended up doing in the past. Be a good friend and sell it for $2500 to a deserving friend.

Yup! That's what I'm doing with my 150, it's going to a friend's sister.

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In regards to a tuner its a tough call if you feel it makes that big of a PQ difference, but is the PQ difference greater then the coolness of the 2.5" screen? Don't forget that you will be able to make your FPMs 100% flush with the 141 if you use a bracket with a 1.5" profile. It looks awsome!

Well here the tuner does make a big difference on 720p OTA channels, but I've got the solution for that now with the external Samsung STB. The box is tiny and does a great job, so no worry about the 141's lack of an internal ATSC tuner. As for mounting, I'm mounting it on BDI furniture as I do with my current 150, so in actuality my FPMs will stick out more since they're thicker than the 141! But that's no biggie. If I ever move the 141 in to my den, then I'll be able to take better advantage of the thin profile. Either way though, it still looks very cool.


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Originally Posted by vancouver View Post

If you are still on the fence I would wait until we get some reports on how well the 141 looks after being calibrated and if it has any PQ improvements over the 151 although my gut says no if there are any it should be very very hard to see.

I tend to agree. If we see any improvements, they will probably be small. But I guess we're into the rarified air with these 9g Kuros where even small improvements may be worthwhile. Of course one of the biggest 'potential' selling points is that of the alleged added QC and 'hand picked parts'...but thus far we can't prove it.
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post #849 of 5242
9/20/08 at 10:49am
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Ken,

I am sure one way or another you will be happy. I used to think that the 151 could sell for more in terms of the resale value however I think now that there is that special "value" in the 141 that could keep the price higher. Being that its a special production unit and that not as many of them out there. And people that will probably buy one eventually would want to pay the higher price and would not care about the tuner. Also the MSRP is higher (in US) but you are paying the same or pretty much the same and that can make a difference as well. Just my thoughts, good luck.

Thanks Roman and Vashti! Your points seem pretty much on target. The bottom line is I'd probably wind up selling it to a friend as I've done in the past. At this point it looks like I'd lean toward the 141 with my more important issues having been solved.

Thanks guys.
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post #850 of 5242
9/20/08 at 4:31pm
I am starting to save up money for a new tv and it will be a month or 6...Has anyone played any games on this tv...i read something about input lag on 151's...curious if that is an issue on these monitors...
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post #851 of 5242
9/20/08 at 4:45pm
Hi Ken,
I have enjoyed reading the reply's to you. It seems to me, that is what my thinking was when I got my 141 as you know.
What I am doing now as you know is using a break-in dvd. What I have been doing is changing the gamma 1-5 and looking closely at each gammas colors. I am up to gamma 1 and all i have left is 4 and 5. The unknown gammas. So far gamma 2 is the best.

Maybe I just got lucky and got the best display that Pioneer can build, but this 141 is by far the best out of the box Kuro I have owned. When I look at the screen when playing the break-in dvd, it looks like the colors where painted on with a air brush or roller. Its that good. And everything that I reported In my first post still stands.

As you said to me It looks like your going to get a 141.

Peter.
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post #852 of 5242
9/20/08 at 4:56pm
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I am starting to save up money for a new tv and it will be a month or 6...Has anyone played any games on this tv...i read something about input lag on 151's...curious if that is an issue on these monitors...

I play a lot of Call of duty 4 online and as long as you have the game pref mode on there isn't to much lag. its not noticeable, i snipe a lot and it doesn't effect it. The only problem is that you have to remember to switch to game mode otherwise you will definitely notice it.
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post #853 of 5242
9/20/08 at 6:46pm
sales, when you go into game mode, so you turn off the features that game mode leaves on? I turn them all off, and calibrated the picture to show more detail, as I feel game mode washed the pcitures out.
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post #854 of 5242
9/20/08 at 7:09pm
Hello,

I have been ready to purchase the 141 for quite some time. I am waiting on my house to be built. I game a lot. Halo, Rock Band, Guitar Hero, you name it. Will there be a problem gaming on this set? I plan on getting it calibrated. Will turning on 'Game Mode' affect the calibration? I would hate to have to begin researching for a new TV (monitor) again.
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post #855 of 5242
9/20/08 at 8:31pm
I turned on game preference which takes away the lag. i haven't messed with any of the other settings yet since i got the 141 a couple of days ago to replace my 151s and today was the first day of gaming. about the celebration settings, you can have this mode calibrated but it doesn't make much seance because game manufactures don't have a standard they use and each game has different color levels. an example of this would be GTA3 which for me took major changes to the set to get a good picture. I wouldn't let this deter you from getting the 141 because having this game mode is a huge benefit compared to tvs/monitors that don't because it gives you the ability to minimize lag and have a separate setting of colors to switch to rather than using the settings you have for tv or movies. if you dont like it you can use the settings you have calabrated just like you would with the other tvs with out it, i think it would be a mistake because these tvs do look amazing for games. there is a picture thread on hear that a lot of people have posted pictures of how the tvs look with games but they make me laugh because it doesn't do it justice because there are so many factors that can skew the picture quality. sorry if im rambling and this doesn't make sense but i just got back from a get together and im a little buzzed up. i'll copy the thread in a new post when i find it.
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post #856 of 5242
9/20/08 at 8:37pm
nick i should specify, game is a av selection like pure, standard, optimum, movie. game prefrence is a setting within that mode that you can adjust on and off to help with lag. usually a calibrator will adjust color settings under these modes depending on how many you pay him to do.
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post #857 of 5242
9/21/08 at 8:48am
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=920011
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post #858 of 5242
9/21/08 at 5:11pm
Hey Guys,

I have the choice of either the Pro 111 or the PRO 101, the problem is I can't decide.
I do not have a need for the stand or speakers because it will be wall mounted and I have a 5.1 setup. So my question is, which one would you choose?

Thanks
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post #859 of 5242
9/21/08 at 5:37pm
If you have no need for the built-in amp & speakers and you're wall mounting, I'd go with the 101. You'll appreciate the slimmer profile.
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post #860 of 5242
9/21/08 at 5:40pm
Yea both are great the only thing is that you might have to wait a little for the 101 and now that there is a price drop on the 111FD I think it might make the decision easier.
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post #861 of 5242
9/21/08 at 6:29pm
Has any body tried to do a calibration using Gamma 4 and color space 1 ?
From looking at the colors from my EA_BREAKIN_DVD things look interesting for that combo.
Oh well next week at this time I will finally have the opportunity to start calibrating.
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post #862 of 5242
9/21/08 at 8:00pm
Are the UI (menus) on the pro 101/141 the same as the pro 111? I saw vancouvers pictures of the menus, and according to those pics they look very different (basic in terms of looks) from the pro 111 that I have seen.

Does anyone know how the color sensor works on the 101 since it lacks the external sensor that comes with the 111?
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post #863 of 5242
9/22/08 at 5:16am
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Has any body tried to do a calibration using Gamma 4 and color space 1 ?
From looking at the colors from my EA_BREAKIN_DVD things look interesting for that combo.
Oh well next week at this time I will finally have the opportunity to start calibrating.

Peter, I don't know about gamma 4, but you know me, color space 1 always looks interesting!
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post #864 of 5242
9/22/08 at 6:46am
One question, I should be getting the 141 within a week or two (apparently Ultimate didn't even have a SKU for it, and I'm currently the only person to have ordered one in the entire company...scary), and I was wondering whether anyone would be posting some "D-Nice-esque" settings for it (I'll use D-Nice's breakin settings however). I know he's stated he won't be able to do it himself but I figured someone else would probably have something close (and better than the 151 settings which some have said don't work too well) that could get me by until I can get the 141 calibrated.
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post #865 of 5242
9/22/08 at 8:48pm
Look what was delivered today...

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post #866 of 5242
9/22/08 at 9:40pm
I got my second 141 this weekend to replace my first which buzzed. This one is no better. It buzzes during normal programs just as the first one did. There are no dead or stuck pixels or any blotching issues, but the buzz is still there.

I am guessin gthat this unit nad the first one I had were next to each other in the Best Buy warehouse and most likely produced at the same time. The build date of both was Aug 2008. I am thinking of waiting a couple of weeks before exchanging again with the hopes of getting a Sept 2008 build.
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post #867 of 5242
9/22/08 at 10:45pm
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Look what was delivered today...

Congrats Shawn.

I will start setting up my 141 this Friday. And I know you having your 141 will be great for the rest of us.
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post #868 of 5242
9/22/08 at 10:48pm
ControlCAL's 9G Elite Monitor ISFccc Display Profile Set should be released this week..

I was allowed to release it several days ago but I needed to do some testing first..
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post #869 of 5242
9/22/08 at 11:12pm
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Originally Posted by sales9876 View Post

nick i should specify, game is a av selection like pure, standard, optimum, movie. game prefrence is a setting within that mode that you can adjust on and off to help with lag. usually a calibrator will adjust color settings under these modes depending on how many you pay him to do.

So the 141 has a "game preference" within Game mode? Where is this option located in the menu? My 151 does not have this mode, or maybe I am just not looking in the right place.

I know that there are is not a standard for games, considering they user a much wider color gamut. When I said I calibrated this mode, I meant that "Game" mode seemed wash out the detail. All I did was increase color temperature, adjusted brightness, contrast, and gamma. The end result was colors that were slightly higher in saturation, which in turn emphasized detail.
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post #870 of 5242
9/22/08 at 11:59pm
So I just got my new PRO-141FD today...Thanks Roman! Not a scratch or dent on the box...totally clean.

This unit is of the September vintage and indeed there is a noticeable buzz emitting from the display, no question. It is not that loud when 8 feet away which is about my viewing distance however I can still hear it and it does bother me.

There are just to many reports of this for it to be up for debate, this is certainly an issue which Pioneer must tackle. PQ on this set is without a doubt very fine but Pioneer needs to address this buzzing sound and make some sort of a statement about it. They must know it exists and I feel they should provide either advice on how to eliminate the buzz or advice on how I can ship mine back

That being said I am wondering if the buzz has to do with the quality of power and line noise. This would explain why some people have it and others don't. Some of us might have really dirty power and others might have clean power. To this end I should be receiving a power conditioner tomorrow which is of the highest quality. An EquiTech 1.5Q. For those interested in learning about power noise and balanced power visit Equitech's site at dub dub dub dot equitech dot com.

I will let everyone know if balanced power provides any relief from the buzz.

-TAJ
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