post processing on amd 780G

I've been curious about this myself. With a dual core 5000+ the only options I have available in CCC are Bob and Weave. Setting it to weave results in a lot of combing while watching 1080i through vista media center. I know how the Bob method works and you do lose resolution. Is the gain that substantial when using a Phenom and adaptive, motion adaptive, or vector adaptive deinterlacing? I feel like I may be missing out on something.
Also, at what point am I actually allowed to use the "pulldown detection" option? It's always been grayed out for every version of Catalyst I've tried.

I have the Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H 780G revision 1.0 whit a Phenom 9750

In CCC (8.8). I have Bob, Weave, Adaptive, Motion adaptive & Vector adaptive deinterlacing modes whit pulldown detecton for Motion and Vector.

Which OS?

Sorry forgot. Windows XP pro SP3.

Thx.

The reason I asked was that the choices were less in Vista w/ earlier version of CCC... Maybe I'll update my 780G. Or maybe I'll just look at the choices in my 790GX, which is basically a faster clocked 780G.

That's the Phenom providing extra postprocessing right?

That's what I assume.

I'll be able to check this on Vista with my 780G (X2 5000+) and 790GX (8450)

Cute feature if that's the case. You get the low power/heat benefit of integrated graphics, but with good deinterlacing (only way of getting advanced HD deinterlacing with integrated I think?)

I believe the Phenom also provides access to the denoise and edge sharpening function as well. I ended up with the Phenom 8450 (Triple core) as a best bang for the buck CPU.

What did you plug it into?

If I change the resolution to 480p I can change to vector adaptive with my giga 780g and 3600+. At 720p the option is gone. However, at 636p (or something like that) the option is freely available again.

I'm running my screen at 1920x1200 and get those. ;P

About those denoise and edge sharpening features? Are they in CCC? I keep hearing about these features but I can't find them myself in there.
Where should I see them if they now should be there?

Gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H 780G
2 x 1GB of Cosair PC2-8500 RAM
Antec Fusion Black case
Vista Utilimate

It's actually been a great little machine except for the fact that I can't get standby working reliably and I've had to resort to shutting down the pc when it's not in use.

That's basically what I have except I have a A64 5000+ vs your Phenom.
AFAIK, I haven't updated the CCC from when I installed the system ~ 5 months ago.

Do you get these extra post-processing functions that have been mentioned?

PS: this system runs 24/7. It has an impressive line of dust across if from cabinet fan.

I'm ready to pull the trigger on a new 780G build but am completely paralysed by the choice between the attractive 45W TDP of the 4850e and the (potential) post-processing benefit of the hotter (95W) X3 8450.

Which types of content benefit from the additional post processing a phenom brings to the 780G? ... and here I mean visual benefit (as opposed to raw test scores). Is it just interlaced content? SD only? HD and SD? DVD playback/upscaling? All content? I can't seem to dig up the answer anywhere.

My collection is split evenly between progressive HD x264 content and SD xvid/divx files (including some poor quality captures). Will going up to HT/Phenom markedly improve my experience?

Amd has a Phenom X4 9350E Quad Core AM2 2.0GHZ 4MB Cache 65W available, check online. I'm in canada but found one pretty quick, you shouldnt have a problem finding one.

i just got a 9150w phenom; 65w. in a 780g board with 4670 card. it'll be ready monday and will repost results and impressions. I had both the 780g and an 8200 board running IGP and DVD's looked awful. So, i'm using the new 4670 and a phenom to make sure I get to notch DVD playback and HDTV and BD.

I also am putting together a 780g with a 4850e and a 4650 to see what kind of power consumption it uses and the video quality. I am considering waiting for the 4550 though.

redtyler, I'll look forward to your results ... especially your findings on the perceived effect the post-processing has on your content.

I'm in exact same situation as you for the same reasons... Part of me is tempted to just get the 4850e and give it a go and if I'm not satisfied then ebay it and upgrade to the Phenom. But I'm in no rush, also waiting to see if any more 790Gx mATX boards are going to come to market.

I also have the GA-MA78GM-S2H 780G rev 1.1 with the 4850e dual core and my DVDs look ******. Blu-ray on the other hand looks awesome, just as good as my PS3 (after lots of tweaking). How is this possible?

Could these problems with interlaced content be solved with just a better video card? like a 4550 or 4650?
Or do I have to get a Phenom?

Anyone?

In my test 4550 is not enough (maybe driver problem?; I used 8.10 hotfix). Get 4650/4670 that is perfect in both SD and HD. It costs only +$20 with much more number of stream processors than 4550. As you already have 4850e, buying Phenom is pointless (cost, high power consumption, post-processing is still weaker than a discrete card, no 7.1 LPCM etc.).

I've seen a review where the HD HQV score of the HD4550 was almost perfect with the exception of noise reduction. Are you saying this is not the case or just that DVD deinterlacing is somehow more demanding than deinterlacing 1080i? I really thought the HD4550 was supposed to be the perfect HTPC card.

Thanks, I am also leaning toward the 4650 or 47xx because of the number of streaming units. I believe it is what takes care of the video process.

After some reading I found out that the only way to properly display any kind of interlaced content, specifically 480i or 1080i, we need 3:2 pulldown.
Is this true? and if so what do I need to get 2:3 pulldown. I read somewhere that I need a Phenom.

Again, anyone?

HD 4550 is almost perfect in HD HQV including noise reduction (90/100). However it is somehow weak in the SD tests. For example, it failed miserably in two famous tests, Waving Flag and 3:2 Detection. HD 4670 passed the tests with the perfect scores exactly with the same driver and the CCC settings. BTW HD 3200 + Phenom is better than HD 4550.

3:2 pulldown (or telecine) is a method of converting 24p (24 frames per second) used in film to 60i (60 fields per second) used in NTSC DVD-Video and NTSC/ATSC TV. A good video processor will detect the pulldown and remove redundant fields to restore the original 24p film (called pulldown removal, pullup or inverse telecine). Please read this article for details.

HD 3200/3300+Phenom is very good at not only pulldown removal but almost all the video processing tasks. HD 4650/4670 (or higher) is perfect in all the video processing tasks (you don't need Phenom, Athlon is enough in the Intel platform, or any Pentium Dual-Core or Core 2 Duo/Quad processor in the Intel platform).

First off, thanks for your previous clarification as to why the 9400IGP and the HD4670 won't work simultaneously.

Based on what you said above, it can be inferred that when it comes to SD

HD4670 > HD 4550 and

Phenom+3200IGP > HD4550

So, how does phenom+3200 stack up against the HD4670? If the discrete solution is better (HD, SD, deinterlace, post processing, denoise, etc), then how much better is it? Would I be hard pressed to tell the difference on a 52" 1080p 120Hz LCD at standard viewing distances (6-10 ft) for this screen size?

The reason I'm asking is that I've just discovered the MSI 7411 with built-in amp. People seem to be ditching their receivers (Onkyo, Integra, etc) in favor of this solution. This may sound just as good as my x-fi via analog to my HK-AVR 525 (assuming I can even get the x-fi to work well in Vista...sounded great in XP before I got Sage extender). If I were to upgrade the graphics on this MSI board, I'd have to go with a single slot solution (likely noisy in the case of a single slot HD4670) because of where the amp card has to sit. Also, this would give me the ability to put this rig in the basement directly below the TV and simply run up HDMI to TV (10ft), the MCE IR v2 receiver (has 16 ft cord) and a blu-ray drive in an external usb enclosure. Thus, noise would become a non issue. My center channel is already wall mounted and all speaker connections are wall mounted via banana plug jacks. I could mount the LCD and provide a small shelf for the blu-ray drive and IR receiver. The MSI 7411 would obviate the need to control the AVR in another room in such a setup.

FYI, the Sage extender is great in terms of PQ, but audio via SPDIF to AVR is no where compared to the X-FI via analog out under XP.

I know someone who would buy my AVR, which would offset the cost. I only use the AVR as it stands for amplification of a Sage HD extender (and previously for a client PC). Thus, I have no need for extensive AV switching; I only need amplification. In terms of energy, the increased power consumption of a 65-95W phenom on this MSI platform would be offset by taking the AVR out of the mix.

Your thoughts???

Thanks

Jay

Please read this update. Eventually HD 4550 is a very good card (unless you connect two displays to it) and better in SD post-processing than HD 3200 with an AM2+ processor (and the total system power consumption is ~20W lower).

So either the Gigabyte (fanless) 4550 or the Sapphire and/or GigaByte 4670 (all 3 are single slots) would be great add on cards to the MSI platform. Which single slot 4670 do you like best IF the HTPC can be placed in a location where noise will not be an issue? (FYI the Gigabyte 4670 is running for $55USD with rebate). Although noisier, the 4670 can essentially be had for the same price. In either case, I'll be using a single display..thnaks for the posted update regarding PQ and the HD4550. This also means I could go with a 4850e or 5050e vs a Phenom to further reduce cost and overall power consumption. If you're interested, please see this post for more details of how this may play out.

Also, I think I may be off the 24p bandwagon. My friend has a Sony 120Hz LCD TV and just got a Sony set top Blu-Ray player. We viewed Cars and I had him turn off the 24p mode in the player. I honestly couldn't tell the difference between 24p and 60p. There's a lot of fast motion in that movie, and I really couldn't tell the difference. Both modes looked phenomenal. What was striking was the fact that he also has the same title on SD DVD. What a difference between Blu-ray and DVD! So, I don't think I'll be too disappointed if I have to set the HD4550 or 4670 at 1080/60p for Blu-Ray! If 24p works well in my environment with an HD4xxx, then great. If not, I don't think I'll be loosing much sleep.

Thanks again for everything.

Jay