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Sub that goes low, but is not $$$$ and not huge

post #1 of 16
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Hey, wanted to know what suggestions people have for a sub that goes pretty low (~18hz) but does not take up a ton of space. It does not have to be overly powerful, I'm not looking to rattle any windows loose or anything. But I don't know if powerful and going low have to go hand-in hand.

Based on looking around I 'think' that I would prefer a sealed design. I have read about the Velodyne SPL and DD series (have not heard either), as well as the JL Fathoms. I have heard a F112 and it sounded great, but really seemed to pack more punch than I need (without constantly having the wife on my a$$ to turn it down).

My room is 18x27x8, but my wife's hang-out is directly over me, hence the need to keep things tame. I would prefer to keep things under $2k, but am simply entertaining ideas at this point so don't let this be a restriction for suggestions.

As always, thanks for any input you have.
post #2 of 16
Small. Low. Cheap. You're allowed to pick two. =)

$2K is a very reasonable budget. I'd take a look and see if you can get a SPL-1500R in that price range, which would work well for your room size and keep the overall size factor down a bit. There are some "larger" subs for less money that will outperform the SPL-1500R, but it may violate your space constraints.

Greg
post #3 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks. The only thing that has steered me away from the SPLs a little is the somewhat negative reviews on this board. Generally they do seem to meet most if not all of my needs. I have not found a local place that has one to audition, admittedly I have not looked that hard yet.
post #4 of 16
The eD A7S-450 is 24 inches cubed. The Hsu ULS-15 is even smaller. Both bigger than the JL 112. Both are much cheaper.
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

The eD A7S-450 is 24 inches cubed. The Hsu ULS-15 is even smaller. Both bigger than the JL 112. Both are much cheaper.

Hmm, had not thought about the Hsu. I always picture their stuff with that 'turbo' box on top and know that that would not pass the wife test. I'll take a deeper look at the ULS, although it probably packs more punch than I need.

Thanks.
post #6 of 16
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I'll take a deeper look at the ULS, although it probably packs more punch than I need.

Just turn it down!

Seriously, you want a sub that has dynamic range even if you never run it really "hot". Besides, you can not have low frequencies unless the subs can pack some serious punch.
post #7 of 16
Other options include the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus and EX. Both are capable of 18Hz, are small (21.75"x15"x22" or 21.55"x17"x24"), and in stock.
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by thbrewst View Post

Hey, wanted to know what suggestions people have for a sub that goes pretty low (~18hz) but does not take up a ton of space. It does not have to be overly powerful, I'm not looking to rattle any windows loose or anything. But I don't know if powerful and going low have to go hand-in hand.

Based on looking around I 'think' that I would prefer a sealed design. I have read about the Velodyne SPL and DD series (have not heard either), as well as the JL Fathoms. I have heard a F112 and it sounded great, but really seemed to pack more punch than I need (without constantly having the wife on my a$$ to turn it down).

My room is 18x27x8, but my wife's hang-out is directly over me, hence the need to keep things tame. I would prefer to keep things under $2k, but am simply entertaining ideas at this point so don't let this be a restriction for suggestions.

As always, thanks for any input you have.

"But I don't know if powerful and having to go low go hand-in hand."

There is something called the "threshold of audibility". It is the loudness level that is required for a tone of a particular frequency to be audible. At 20 Hz it is 82 db. Dropping down to 15 Hz, the threshold of audibility jumps up to 90 db.

I have been asking if anyone on this Forum knows the threshold of audibility from 15 Hz down to 7.5 Hz, and from 7.5 Hz down to 1 Hz. So far, no one has come forward with that information.

Back to your situation. If you had a somewhat larger budget, I would recommend the Velodyne DD-15. Given your preference to keep it under 2K, I think you would probably be pretty happy with the Velodyne SPL 1500-R.

For even better peformance, the HSU ULS-15 PLUS the Velodyne SMS-1 will take you to 2K, or slightly higher, but with the advantage of simple equalization and remote control.
post #9 of 16
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I have been asking if anyone on this Forum knows the threshold of audibility from 15 Hz down to 7.5 Hz, and from 7.5 Hz down to 1 Hz. So far, no one has come forward with that information

I thought this was discuss somewhere in the DIY forum?
post #10 of 16
I always forget about this one, for 2K and will be awesome is the Submersive. Like Penn said just turn down the sub.
post #11 of 16
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I always forget about this one, for 2K and will be awesome is the Submersive.

That sub is always overlooked for some reason but the specs say its an incredible sub!!

I have not heard it though and its hard to find one.
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Never heard of it. But I will definitely take a look.

Thanks for all of the input. Keep it coming if there are other ideas.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

I thought this was discuss somewhere in the DIY forum?

I don't hang out in the DIY forum as I have no intention of trying to build a sub or speakers.

Since DIY is your provence, if you come across the information I asked about, please feel free to post it in this section of the forum.

Based on the peformance of the TRW 17 at the Trinity Church in NY, we know that 105 db can add a lot to performance at ~6 Hz, while 110 db simply caused too much flexing of various structures within the church.

Bruce Thigpen is probably the person to answer my question.

It just seems strange with the degree of specificity that goes on in so many of the threads on this Forum that no-one has posted the thresholds below 15 Hz.
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post

There is something called the "threshold of audibility". It is the loudness level that is required for a tone of a particular frequency to be audible. At 20 Hz it is 82 db. Dropping down to 15 Hz, the threshold of audibility jumps up to 90 db.

I have been asking if anyone on this Forum knows the threshold of audibility from 15 Hz down to 7.5 Hz, and from 7.5 Hz down to 1 Hz. So far, no one has come forward with that information.

Actually that was recently discussed in this forum in the Sonotube sealed vs ported thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post14481320
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

I always forget about this one, for 2K and will be awesome is the Submersive. Like Penn said just turn down the sub.

Yep, I am forced to agree. It seems to be under the radar still. But it kicks butt none the less
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post

I don't hang out in the DIY forum as I have no intention of trying to build a sub or speakers.

Since DIY is your provence, if you come across the information I asked about, please feel free to post it in this section of the forum.

Based on the peformance of the TRW 17 at the Trinity Church in NY, we know that 105 db can add a lot to performance at ~6 Hz, while 110 db simply caused too much flexing of various structures within the church.

Bruce Thigpen is probably the person to answer my question.

It just seems strange with the degree of specificity that goes on in so many of the threads on this Forum that no-one has posted the thresholds below 15 Hz.

We should not be looking for the threshhold of audibility for these freq's but the threshhold of perceptibility for them. The bass range is partly an auditory experience and part physical, tactile sensation. I'm not completely sure about this, but from my experience, I believe that the lower the frequency is, it becomes increasingly more of a sensation you feel than a sound you hear. Especially below 16hz.

Almost forgot. I also recommend looking at the Seaton Submersive.
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