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post #61 of 308
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Originally Posted by dfp View Post

Checked out the 850 (@CC) again, and an 860 (@ABC) today, and still can't get a good enough look behind either to see if the variety of grills are for ventilation only or may house the woofer promised in the specs. (I suppose it/they could be downfiring, too.)

But did check out the viewing angle on both, and felt it was the same, if not better, than many others nearby. The 850 PQ was the best of about 10 52"ers on the CC wall. TOC red on the 850 and blue on the 860 are both very dark and very nice.

Nice report. Would you say the 850 TOC red is darker or lighter than the 750 TOC red? Reason I ask is that Samsung is promoting the 850 red as a "rose" and the 750 as "red", so I'd think the rose would be more pink/lighter in color than the 750 version? Also, which did you like more in terms of color, 850 or 860?
post #62 of 308
A couple of questions:


How is the SD and overall video processing on Sammy 6/7/8/9 series TVs compared to the newer sonys (W/Z/XBRs)


Since the 850/860 is so much thinner than the 750/650 is any PQ lost by the thinner backlight?
post #63 of 308
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Originally Posted by paranoyd androyd View Post

Nice report. Would you say the 850 TOC red is darker or lighter than the 750 TOC red? Reason I ask is that Samsung is promoting the 850 red as a "rose" and the 750 as "red", so I'd think the rose would be more pink/lighter in color than the 750 version? Also, which did you like more in terms of color, 850 or 860?

To my eyes, the 850 red is darker than the 750. The blue is similarly quite dark. Since all our furniture is blue, that's the one we'd pick.

Both bezels run in front of the recessed logo lite, which someone here reported can be turned off. Other than that small crescent of illumination, you have to strain to see either the red or the blue in the unlit portions of the bezel.
post #64 of 308
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Originally Posted by KLee View Post

... Since the 850/860 is so much thinner than the 750/650 is any PQ lost by the thinner backlight?

One of the first 850 posts suggested that the PQ wouldn't be as good, so I've tried to look very carefully, and I think the PQ is at least equal. There were Sony's, Sharp's, a 630, and a 650 on CC's wall near the 850, but I felt the 850 PQ was among, if not, the best.
post #65 of 308
You going to pick-up one of these 8 series then dfp? What other models are you considering?
post #66 of 308
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Originally Posted by dfp View Post

One of the first 850 posts suggested that the PQ wouldn't be as good, so I've tried to look very carefully, and I think the PQ is at least equal. There were Sony's, Sharp's, a 630, and a 650 on CC's wall near the 850, but I felt the 850 PQ was among, if not, the best.

post #67 of 308
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Originally Posted by taurus2007 View Post

You can turn off red ToC and 120Hz!!!

You can turn off AMP, but you can't turn off 120Hz. He probably means you can turn off the red LEDs at the bottom.
post #68 of 308
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Originally Posted by paranoyd androyd View Post

You going to pick-up one of these 8 series then dfp? What other models are you considering?

Probably, after I wait awhile for any problems to surface (here) and for the price to drop a bit like it always does. I think Samsung has it pretty much all together with these models.

Since I'm looking at 52", I'm waiting to see the XBR6 too. It looks trim, and probably will have a great PQ, but I think I like the "pop" of Samsung's gloss screen. Also, the Sony price usually starts high and remains there until close-out, so that will make it easy to choose the Samsung.
post #69 of 308
no ones got an 860 yet? kinda tempted to get one but no where here has one!
post #70 of 308
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Originally Posted by davez82 View Post

no ones got an 860 yet? kinda tempted to get one but no where here has one!

Maybe you will be the first and post a review with pictures!
post #71 of 308
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Originally Posted by davez82 View Post

no ones got an 860 yet? kinda tempted to get one but no where here has one!

Not sure if you're talking about a B&M store, but if you go back to the prior page, US Appliance has the 860 in stock for well below MSRP.
post #72 of 308
Hey guys, I just became an owner of an LN52A850 by accident. I went to a local big box store this afternoon to buy a LN52A650 model. However, once I got home and opened the box, I realized they gave me an 850! Ooops! So now I'm in a quandary and don't know what to do. I have NO idea how this TV compares to the A650 or anything at all. I can say I certainly wasn't prepared for this. I'm wondering how the black levels compare on this one vs. the 650. I did watch a bit of a BD (Transformers) and it looked VERY good. However, I haven't done any tweaking yet or adjusting on the set. I don't even think there's an owners thread started yet wherein people could post settings. I'm kinda confused as to whether I should keep this or take it back and get the 650. Any ideas?
post #73 of 308
Well, assuming you aren't jerking our chain ...

The 850 is the 750 with a few added features, and the 750 is the 650 with a few features. You can give us the first report, but from the paper review it looks like 850 PQ should be about the same or maybe a little better than the 650. AFAIK, the extra 850 features vs the 750:

- Swiveling stand (actually the 650 has this; its missing from the 750)
- Thinner and narrower bezel
- Wide color enhancer 2 (Not sure how much better the "2" makes it?)
- Rose (dusky red) TOC instead of red

The 750 features that the 850 also has, but the 650 doesn't
- DLNA for streaming media from your PC/LAN
- Built-in RSS-type content (recipes etcetera)
- Better sound due to a built-in woofer the 650 doesn't have

So, if you got a 850 for a 650 price you saved about $1,000 and got a better TV. And you also got a TV that many of us are interested in, but can't find in many stores yet.

Lucky you
post #74 of 308
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Originally Posted by Irunnoft View Post

Hey guys, I just became an owner of an LN52A850 by accident. I went to a local big box store this afternoon to buy a LN52A650 model. However, once I got home and opened the box, I realized they gave me an 850! Ooops! So now I'm in a quandary and don't know what to do. I have NO idea how this TV compares to the A650 or anything at all. I can say I certainly wasn't prepared for this. I'm wondering how the black levels compare on this one vs. the 650. I did watch a bit of a BD (Transformers) and it looked VERY good. However, I haven't done any tweaking yet or adjusting on the set. I don't even think there's an owners thread started yet wherein people could post settings. I'm kinda confused as to whether I should keep this or take it back and get the 650. Any ideas?

Wait, WTF? You didn't mention in the owner's thread you just started that you bought a 650 but inside the box came the 850. I don't get it, what did the place charge you, the price for a 650 or 850? And does the box on the outside actually say 650?
post #75 of 308
That sound really odd to me...
post #76 of 308
Here's what happened - now how the store got it messed up - I don't know! I went to the store to take one last look at the 650 as compared to the Z4100 and the 52W4100. I saw an 850 on display. The store had only just put it up on display last Sat. I watched it and looked at it and then kept walking because it was out of the price range I was looking to spend. I looked at the 650 again and decided I liked the PQ better than any Sony I'd seen. Also, I noticed the sparkles on all the Sonys in the store and I sure didn't want to deal with that! I told the salesman that I wanted the 650 and he completed the sale. I went to the counter and handed the guy the receipt and they went to the back to pull the TV. When they brought the TV out to the loading area in the parking lot, I never looked at the box closely. I saw it was a Samsung and before I could go over it, the store clerk took out a knife, cut the plastic bands that were around the box, cut open the packing tape, opened the box, cut the plastic paper like bag the TV was enveloped in and checked the set out to make sure it wasn't broken. Then he sealed it back up, retaped the box and loaded it in our truck. It wasn't until I got the box home and actually opened it up for myself that I realized what happened. I saw a Series 8 sticker on the bezel and then I looked at the model number on the side of the box and couldn't believe what I saw. I paid the current sale price of the LN52A650 and received a LN52A850 instead. The price I paid is the same current price for the A650 that you'd find on the Best Buy website.

This, by the way, isn't the first time this store has made an error in my favor with regards to a TV. I bought a Sharp TV about two years ago back when I was going through my XBR2 return game. I tried it and hated it and returned it. I think it was like a 32" model. Anyhow, I paid something like $800 or $900 for it. When I returned the TV after one day, they credited me for returning something like a 32" or larger Samsung for $1500! I was returning the Sharp and applying the credit towards the purchase of a 40XBR2, when I got to where they told me the total left owed on the XBR2, I thought that maybe it went on sale, wrote the check for what seemed like $800 less than what I thought it should be and went on. When I got home and looked at the receipt, I saw why the TV was on "sale," they'd given me a credit for more expensive TV. I went back to the store the next week and tried to explain to the manager what had happened and had my checkbook out to write a check for the difference and he actually argued with me that he couldn't do anything about it. It was the most bizarre situation I'd ever been in. I don't know if he was daft and didn't understand that I was saying that they'd made an error in my favor or what, but he wouldn't do anything about it. I tried to explain it twice and after that, I left.

So flash forward to yesterday- same store - same level of ineptitude in the customer service department. I don't know how this happened, but all I paid for was the 650 and what I got was an 850. Since I live about an hour and twenty minutes away from the store one way, I'm not about to drive this thing back there. Based on my last experience, they wouldn't even take it back if I tried!
post #77 of 308
I just looked at my receipt and it doesn't make any sense either. It shows a return for an LN52A750 and a service plan and an apparent purchase for a LN52A850 and it shows amount tendered 0.00 and change due 0.00. It looks as though it was return receipt for a 750 plus a service plan and an even exchange for a 850. Bizarre. The only down side is that I guess I'd have to deal with Samsung for an extended warranty. The good news is that I don't think I'll need to worry about it with the Samsung. . . at least not as much as I'd worry about it with a new Sony!
post #78 of 308
I'd call them and tell them if they want it they can pick up and redeliver the correct tv. They probably won't.
post #79 of 308
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Originally Posted by Hamstring View Post

I'd call them and tell them if they want it they can pick up and redeliver the correct tv. They probably won't.

I'm sure they won't because I'm so far out that delivery isn't an option for me when I purchase at the store.
post #80 of 308
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Originally Posted by irunnoft View Post

here's what happened - now how the store got it messed up - i don't know! I went to the store to take one last look at the 650 as compared to the z4100 and the 52w4100. I saw an 850 on display. The store had only just put it up on display last sat. I watched it and looked at it and then kept walking because it was out of the price range i was looking to spend. I looked at the 650 again and decided i liked the pq better than any sony i'd seen. Also, i noticed the sparkles on all the sonys in the store and i sure didn't want to deal with that! I told the salesman that i wanted the 650 and he completed the sale. I went to the counter and handed the guy the receipt and they went to the back to pull the tv. When they brought the tv out to the loading area in the parking lot, i never looked at the box closely. I saw it was a samsung and before i could go over it, the store clerk took out a knife, cut the plastic bands that were around the box, cut open the packing tape, opened the box, cut the plastic paper like bag the tv was enveloped in and checked the set out to make sure it wasn't broken. Then he sealed it back up, retaped the box and loaded it in our truck. It wasn't until i got the box home and actually opened it up for myself that i realized what happened. I saw a series 8 sticker on the bezel and then i looked at the model number on the side of the box and couldn't believe what i saw. I paid the current sale price of the ln52a650 and received a ln52a850 instead. The price i paid is the same current price for the a650 that you'd find on the best buy website.

This, by the way, isn't the first time this store has made an error in my favor with regards to a tv. I bought a sharp tv about two years ago back when i was going through my xbr2 return game. I tried it and hated it and returned it. I think it was like a 32" model. Anyhow, i paid something like $800 or $900 for it. When i returned the tv after one day, they credited me for returning something like a 32" or larger samsung for $1500! I was returning the sharp and applying the credit towards the purchase of a 40xbr2, when i got to where they told me the total left owed on the xbr2, i thought that maybe it went on sale, wrote the check for what seemed like $800 less than what i thought it should be and went on. When i got home and looked at the receipt, i saw why the tv was on "sale," they'd given me a credit for more expensive tv. I went back to the store the next week and tried to explain to the manager what had happened and had my checkbook out to write a check for the difference and he actually argued with me that he couldn't do anything about it. It was the most bizarre situation i'd ever been in. I don't know if he was daft and didn't understand that i was saying that they'd made an error in my favor or what, but he wouldn't do anything about it. I tried to explain it twice and after that, i left.

So flash forward to yesterday- same store - same level of ineptitude in the customer service department. I don't know how this happened, but all i paid for was the 650 and what i got was an 850. Since i live about an hour and twenty minutes away from the store one way, i'm not about to drive this thing back there. Based on my last experience, they wouldn't even take it back if i tried!



[rod stewart] "soooooome guys have aaaaaalll the luck" [/rod stewart]
post #81 of 308
I'm seriously considering picking up an 860 - provided the price is right - to replace my 50" 720p Sony. The 8 series has the mix of features and style I'm looking for (personally prefer the blue TOC over the red/rose color).

Average 50"+ sets are usually around 4-5 inches deep so I like the idea of having the screen a good 3 inches closer to the wall. The only thing I'm wondering about is the wall mount. Normal mounting brackets screw into the back of a set an inch or more. Is Samsung making us buy a special mount for this set or is it compatible with regular ones?
post #82 of 308
Well, at least I figured out what I'm going to do with regards to my 850. I'm going to wait until my 30 days is almost up (either that or until the 850 goes on sale). When I'm close to the 30 day window, I'm going to return the 850 and see what the store wants to do. At that point, they may just say keep it and not bother. If they do that, then I'll be sure to get another 850 and check it out for stuck pixels. If they want to give me the 650, then I'll pony up the difference and get another 850 anyhow. Either way, it looks like I'm staying with the 850. The picture quality is just THAT good! Also, I like the styling a LOT better than the 650. This gives me a chance to let the store decide how they want to handle their mistake. I'll be happy either way they decide.
post #83 of 308
Saw this in CC. No difference in the 6,7 and 8 series.

I say if your gonna upgrade these sets go for the 9 series
post #84 of 308
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Originally Posted by Irunnoft View Post

I don't know how this happened, but all I paid for was the 650 and what I got was an 850.

What are the chances I pay for a 52A750 and they accidentally give me a 55A950 instead?
post #85 of 308
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Originally Posted by kyler13 View Post

What are the chances I pay for a 52A750 and they accidentally give me a 55A950 instead?

Apparently you just need to let me buy it for you!
post #86 of 308
I'm not too sure about that. I originally had a 650, but it had some dead or stuck pixels, so I exchanged it for another 650. To me, the second 650 that I had did not seem to have as good of a picture as the first 650. Same environment, same set up, same blurays, but the picture just wasn't as tight as the first one I had., and I really don't think the first one I had was incredible, I mean it was a good picture, but I wasn't blown away by it. Anyway, I then exchanged the 2nd 650 for a 750, and found the 750 to have a phenomenal picture. It handled digital sd signals extremely well, and the high def channels and blurays were spectacular. At this time, I had the 750 sitting on top of an older Mistsubishi projection tv, and because of the height, I could see the halo effect on every edge of the bezel. I eventually exchanged it for my 3rd 650, and once again found myself disappointed in the difference of picture quality. I know the specs are the same, but somehow, the picture quality of the 650 is not as good as the 750. The other issue I had was that the 650 - all three of them - did not handle motion as well as the 750. It didn't matter if it was set to high, medium or low, or even off. It was pretty jerky on slow pans and, compared to the 750, this is another area where I found it to be substandard. The first 650 had version 1003 (?) and the last two had the 2001 versions of firmware. Anyway, 3 650's, every setting / adjustment possible, and it still, to me anyway, came up short or the 750's pq.

Now, after hauling 4 52"ers back to BB to exchange them, which pretty much sucked each time, I think Samsung has finally got it right. The 850 is the 750 on steriods, and then slimmed down. The pq is amazing, just like the 750. The appearance of the set is ultra cool and very sleek. The toc is darker than the 650 and the 750, and is very subtle. It does have a swivel stand. The remote is more responsive, and the wheel does not have a mind of it's own. The toc on the on screen menu is kinda cool too. The auto motion plus seems more refined to me. I will occasionally see minimal blurring, but it seems to be very smooth. No more blurring on slow pans, which varied in intensity on the 650, but moreso on close ups with slow panning. The black levels are excellent, which I was concerned about with the tv being so slim. The squareness of the tv looks much better than the underbelly of the 650, although that tv is still very cool looking ~ just not as cool as the 750 or 8 series.

Anyway, I've had this tv for 2 weeks now, and have absolutely nothing bad to say about it at all ~ well, except that it is a little dust magnet ~ just like the 6 and 7 series.

It sounds like I may have paid a little more than some others will get it for ($3100), but, with my track record, I feel much more comfortable dealing with a store that will make sure I'm happy with my purchase, even if I am at 45 days like I was with my last 650. To me it was worth it though. I got my 650 for 2349 - big difference there, and my 750 for 2579 ~ but to finally have a tv that I am very happy with, is worth it.

Hopefully, here are some pictures of the 850.
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post #87 of 308
Sorry, that last post was actually for the person who was saying that the 6, 7 & 8 series are the same...

Here are some more pictures of the 850
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post #88 of 308
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Originally Posted by exsvcsinc View Post

Sorry, that last post was actually for the person who was saying that the 6, 7 & 8 series are the same...

Here are some more pictures of the 850

Great pics man, keep 'em coming. What's that thin metal thing sitting underneath the bezel and on top of the stand?

Good thing you got the 52", it almost looks lost in that enormous room. Think you'll ever get a projector?
post #89 of 308
That's the sensor bar for the Wii - No projector anytime soon
post #90 of 308
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Originally Posted by exsvcsinc View Post

That's the sensor bar for the Wii - No projector anytime soon

Are you experiencing any clouding or pixel problems like Irunnoft?
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