AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Samsung Series 9 Owners - Observations, Comments and Advice
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Samsung Series 9 Owners - Observations, Comments and Advice - Page 51

post #1501 of 3775
11/12/08 at 3:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by davez82 View Post

hey guys wondering how owners think of the way the 950 handles whites, is it blindingly bright? was testing the set at best buy and even at 0 brightness it seemed bright

Brighness control does very little for white,that is controled by contrast.
Bright controls the blacks. Backwards I know. So to turn down the white lower the contrast and as always the backlight can be reduced to almost as dim as you want.
Reply
Reply

AVS Top Picks

post #1502 of 3775
11/12/08 at 3:37pm
i know this is a wierd question but, is buying a 950 over the 850 purely based on the TOC a justified reason for the extra price?
Reply
Reply
post #1503 of 3775
11/12/08 at 4:41pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by davez82 View Post

i know this is a wierd question but, is buying a 950 over the 850 purely based on the TOC a justified reason for the extra price?

no. you buy the 950 for the extra performance provided by the LED backlighting (vs. the common CCF fluorescent backlighting) and all its advantages, and some disadvantages due to it's newness. read this thread from the beginning and/or read the www.cnet.com review of the 950 and for the sony xbr8 for some more information.

also. TOC, in fact TO(any)C is reason enough to NOT buy a set imo


TVbc
Reply
Reply
post #1504 of 3775
11/12/08 at 6:11pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by KDH View Post

I have made comments about this in the past here as I have done side by side compairsons in home.
Is the 950 better than the 750? Yes.
Is it 1500 2000 better? Thats an indivual anser but it is better.
What I personaly like is its brighter and darker. In the midrange with the lights on the difference is less. Sometimes its hard to see any difference,but after watching the 950 for a while the 750 well looks a little foggy,but reverting back to the 750 (waiting for the updated model)you get used to it,untill the lights go down then the blacks can look very good but not 950 good. Then theres the whites,, man they are pure white.
Now with the blooming gone I am sure the blacks will be even better.
One thing I really like is you dont have to turn the backlight down to like 3 to get those inky blacks nor run in auto mode on the 950.
These are things that are hard to see in a store,they become very apparent in the home environment.
It is worth it to me, ......and by the way sony is crazy 7000 thats a really bad joke. The 950 is just barely worth the diff.

thankyou,it sounds like for the money the 650 is still tough to beat.
Reply
Reply
post #1505 of 3775
11/12/08 at 6:45pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by umr View Post

As the report shows gamma (shadow detail) was very good on the 950. Detail was not an issue on these. Getting these displays to perform well is a little tricky.

But the gamma wouldn't show a difference for shadow detail loss caused by LED crosstalk (like a star field), because you measure gamma on patterns, right??
Reply
Reply
post #1506 of 3775
11/12/08 at 7:16pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moretorque View Post

thankyou,it sounds like for the money the 650 is still tough to beat.

Even more interesting is that it looks like the 650 had a price drop this week here
in Canada (at least where I am). The 52 inch is about the same price of what
the 40 inch was a few months back! The 630 (same thing with matte) is even
cheaper!

What's funny is that I can pick up a 60 inch pioneer elite plasma (thanks to a deal)
+ 52 inch 650 for about the same price as the 55xbr8. Heck, I can get a 950
plus 650 for quite a bit cheaper than an xbr8!
Reply
Reply
post #1507 of 3775
11/12/08 at 8:51pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

But the gamma wouldn't show a difference for shadow detail loss caused by LED crosstalk (like a star field), because you measure gamma on patterns, right??

I did not see a problem with that in the images I looked at.
Reply
Reply
post #1508 of 3775
11/12/08 at 9:01pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by umr View Post

I did not see a problem with that in the images I looked at.

I find it interesting that you didn't see this Jeff. I have seen quite a few of these, as well XBR8's, and the lack of shadow detail was in fact there.
Reply
Reply
post #1509 of 3775
11/12/08 at 9:05pm
Why is it that US version Dynamic Contrast Ratio of 1,000,000:1 and Australian version I found = 2,000,000:1

Does US version have the "Smart LED" with "LED Motion Plus"?
Does AU version have the "Smart LED" with "LED Motion Plus"?

Because I have read UK version of A950 = no LED Motion Plus, which makes that Unit crap. Becasue LED Motion Plus is the LED Scanning technology that scans like CRT which enhances the image quality especially in motion.

It seems like A950 around the world has all different specs. That kind of sux, because everyone could end up with different A950s. I have beginning to get annoyed by this whole different spec A950 people will be getting around the world.

Just how many ripped off A950s are out there? I am not gonna buy any that is without LED Motion Plus. Might head for XBR8.
Reply
Reply
post #1510 of 3775
11/12/08 at 9:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by arikmoon View Post

turn on a movie or a game with black colors.

sit back about 10-12 feet and look at the top left corner of the screen, now without moving your head, look at the bottom right quickly.

if you're sensitive to it, you just saw all kinds of color that you shouldn't have seen. I personally can see all three colors red, green, and blue.

those less sensitive can see red and green.

the least sensitive can see the green.

if you still don't belive it, go into your setup on your 6020 and set it to the screen wiping pattern that sends a huge vertical white bar scrolling horizontally across your screen. now look at one corner and just move your eyes back and forth.

if you're still having trouble seeing the plainbows, you're either processing images very slowly in your head, in denial, or not doing it right.

gamers usually have a very difficult time with this, as we're quite accustomed to looking all over the screen for enemies, objects, missles, etc.

That is quite a bit of work to see if you can "see" something.
Reply
Reply
post #1511 of 3775
11/12/08 at 9:12pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by KakimotoRift View Post

Why is it that US version Dynamic Contrast Ratio of 1,000,000:1 and Australian version I found = 2,000,000:1

Does US version have the "Smart LED" with "LED Motion Plus"?
Does AU version have the "Smart LED" with "LED Motion Plus"?

Because I have read UK version of A950 = no LED Motion Plus, which makes that Unit crap. Becasue LED Motion Plus is the LED Scanning technology that scans like CRT which enhances the image quality especially in motion.

It seems like A950 around the world has all different specs. That kind of sux, because everyone could end up with different A950s. I have beginning to get annoyed by this whole different spec A950 people will be getting around the world.

Just how many ripped off A950s are out there? I am not gonna buy any that is without LED Motion Plus. Might head for XBR8.

The only thing I know is that before the 950's were released to the end consumers, most descriptions had it at 2,000,000:1 CR (in the US at least).

Then after the TV became available, they dropped it to 1M CR. I think all 950's are like that, or they should be at least.
Reply
Reply
post #1512 of 3775
11/12/08 at 9:12pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by umr View Post

As the report shows gamma (shadow detail) was very good on the 950. Detail was not an issue on these. Getting these displays to perform well is a little tricky.

I know what gamma is Jeff.

With an LED based display, a test pattern isn't very indicative of how measurments translate into real world viewing.

Also, do you turn off all of the features, like local dimming, and frame interpolation?
Reply
Reply
post #1513 of 3775
11/12/08 at 9:14pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

I know what gamma is Jeff.

With an LED based display, a test pattern isn't very indicative of how measurments translate into real world viewing.

Also, do you turn off all of the features, like local dimming, and frame interpolation?

Of course I turned off most of the features and completely adjusted the display. It looked fine after that. The OOB settings are horrific, but I was not commenting about those. I would not have posted my report and commented here if I thought the image was horribly flawed after adjustment.
Reply
Reply
post #1514 of 3775
11/12/08 at 11:29pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by umr View Post

Of course I turned off most of the features and completely adjusted the display. It looked fine after that. The OOB settings are horrific, but I was not commenting about those. I would not have posted my report and commented here if I thought the image was horribly flawed after adjustment.

Only reason why I ask, is because the features I mentioned above (particularly the BL strobing/LD) are the biggest drivers in ones decision to purchase these displays, and from what I have read, and seen, they are typically deactivated to achieve the best results from a calibration.
Reply
Reply
post #1515 of 3775
11/13/08 at 4:46am
Quote:
Originally Posted by KakimotoRift View Post

Why is it that US version Dynamic Contrast Ratio of 1,000,000:1 and Australian version I found = 2,000,000:1

Does US version have the "Smart LED" with "LED Motion Plus"?
Does AU version have the "Smart LED" with "LED Motion Plus"?

Because I have read UK version of A950 = no LED Motion Plus, which makes that Unit crap. Becasue LED Motion Plus is the LED Scanning technology that scans like CRT which enhances the image quality especially in motion.

It seems like A950 around the world has all different specs. That kind of sux, because everyone could end up with different A950s. I have beginning to get annoyed by this whole different spec A950 people will be getting around the world.

Just how many ripped off A950s are out there? I am not gonna buy any that is without LED Motion Plus. Might head for XBR8.

Isn't the "100Hz Motion Plus" feature exactly the same thing for the European model?

EDIT: Just confronted the two manuals - US and EU - and the EU model doesn't mention anything about LED motion plus. WTF!!
Reply
Reply
post #1516 of 3775
11/13/08 at 4:58am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fanaticalism View Post

That is quite a bit of work to see if you can "see" something.

Agreed, but that helps a lot of people determine if they're sensitive to it in a store setting, or perhaps at someone's house who has a plasma.

Quote:
Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

It sure is.

I spend most of my time watching "black colors" with my head and eyes pointed at the upper left corner of my screen while I rapidly shift my eyes back and forth to the opposite corner of the screen.

My wife gives me a hard time because she just doesn't understand what I'm doing.

Perhaps instead of "black colors" I should have instead said a very highly contrasted scene.

Gaming when sensitive to plainbows is an awful experience because you really do trace your eyes all over your screen in a very rapid motion scanning for enemies, objects, moving your crosshairs...

If you're still in denial that this is a disgusting effect, here is a video that demonstrates the green phosphor trails that the camera is able to record at its reletively slow (compared to the human eye) capture speed.

http://www.squidoo.com/th42px70


So, to all you naysayers, I say

I wish I could have lived with my 6020 because it was a pain in the butt to pack up and ship back, plus it was cheaper.
Reply
Reply
post #1517 of 3775
11/13/08 at 5:13am
Quote:
Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

But the gamma wouldn't show a difference for shadow detail loss caused by LED crosstalk (like a star field), because you measure gamma on patterns, right??

In terms of calibration, no clue.

But I can contribute a finding when it comes to the differing models.

I noticed something while playing the game Bioshock. At the very beginning, when you're swimming away from the plane wreckage, when you stand on the pier before you enter Rapture (an underwater city), if you look out over the ocean the moonlight catches some of the tops of the water.

The old model barely registered these little blips of light, the new one I guess artificially lights even the black areas of the screen, so the detail can be seen much better, but it does sacrifice the dead black that the old model had. But in my opionion the dead black wasn't worth it because you couldn't see anything.
Reply
Reply
post #1518 of 3775
11/13/08 at 8:57am
Quote:
Originally Posted by KakimotoRift View Post

Why is it that US version Dynamic Contrast Ratio of 1,000,000:1 and Australian version I found = 2,000,000:1

Does US version have the "Smart LED" with "LED Motion Plus"?
Does AU version have the "Smart LED" with "LED Motion Plus"?

Because I have read UK version of A950 = no LED Motion Plus, which makes that Unit crap. Becasue LED Motion Plus is the LED Scanning technology that scans like CRT which enhances the image quality especially in motion.

It seems like A950 around the world has all different specs. That kind of sux, because everyone could end up with different A950s. I have beginning to get annoyed by this whole different spec A950 people will be getting around the world.

Just how many ripped off A950s are out there? I am not gonna buy any that is without LED Motion Plus. Might head for XBR8.

I come to the same conclusion..SAMSUNG pretty sucks!
I decided to go for SONY !!
Reply
Reply
post #1519 of 3775
11/13/08 at 9:58am
I really wish there was some master file for optimal recommended settings for different A/V devices/cables being hooked up to this LCD. Browsing through this forum, I've found 3 different recommended setting plans.

I decided to take the three and average the results and see how it turned out. I think the results were great, my only worry is that the picture was a bit dark. I think the Dynamic settings are way too bright, so I'm trying to find something in between without sacrificing PQ.

I attached a grid with my results, and another section for common A/V devices (Cable/PS3/360) and was hoping that some similar users could comment on what they believe are the best settings.

Thanks in advance.

 

LN46A950 Settings.doc 116.5k . file
Reply
Reply
post #1520 of 3775
11/13/08 at 4:50pm
Finally, after waiting for this for 2 months, I have the TV sitting in my family room!!! This TV is beautiful, even my wife is seeing the difference between this and our old 40XBR1. Can't wait till 150 hours later so I can calibrate the TV properly. Any good suggestions as to which disc to use to calibrate this set?
Reply
Reply
post #1521 of 3775
11/13/08 at 5:17pm
Has anyone who had their set calibrated posted before and after pictures?

Jim
Reply
Reply
post #1522 of 3775
11/13/08 at 5:52pm
glad to see more people are takeing delivery of ln55950 still waiting for mine ordered oct,3 but still waiting .live in canada must be the reason
Reply
Reply
post #1523 of 3775
11/13/08 at 6:25pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by ramjet49 View Post

glad to see more people are takeing delivery of ln55950 still waiting for mine ordered oct,3 but still waiting .live in canada must be the reason

Yikes, over 5 weeks of waiting?! Atleast you are increasing your chances of getting a rev2 55a950 as result! Not sure where you ordered it from, but I'd say it has more to do with the retailer than living in Canada!
Reply
Reply
post #1524 of 3775
11/13/08 at 7:27pm
your right small dealer ,good price.
Reply
Reply
post #1525 of 3775
11/14/08 at 6:28am
i'm geting my ln950 55 exchanged by best buy , have anyone ever had this done , what is the chacnes that they will not take the old one back , i know so time they leve people with 2 sets
Reply
Reply
post #1526 of 3775
11/14/08 at 6:35am
Finally, my LN55A950 is shipping. I waited until they had a unit with 'A' in the 9th digit of the serial number in stock so there was about 1 1/2 weeks where I had prepaid for my set and was just waiting around.

I live in podunkville. What are the best calibration options for me? I have a calibration HD-DVD, but how much better is professional calibration?

I haven't seen many posts on gaming on the LN55A950. One reviewer said that he took his ps3 into a shop before he knew about the different settings for the set. He mentioned that gaming was terrible due to lag. Any observations from any of you gamers? Can't wait to roam the Fallout 3 wasteland on the 950.

Longtime reader, new poster. Thanks for the advice.
Reply
Reply
post #1527 of 3775
11/14/08 at 7:42am
Finally found a 950 to check out. The firmware listed was - 1002.5 dated 08/13/08. Was not able to check the serial #. Would this ensure that this was the most updated hardware & firmware. Also check the 46", firmware was not 1002 & was dated back in July.
Reply
Reply
post #1528 of 3775
11/14/08 at 8:08am
Quote:
Originally Posted by ozthejoker View Post

i'm geting my ln950 55 exchanged by best buy , have anyone ever had this done , what is the chacnes that they will not take the old one back , i know so time they leve people with 2 sets

If I needed to have the 950 exchanged I would need Best Buy to pick up the old set and also deliver the new one. It sounds like that is what you are having done.

So my question to you, or anyone that has done this, is are you paying for Best Buy to deliver the new 950 and also paying for them to take the old 950 back?
Reply
Reply
post #1529 of 3775
11/14/08 at 8:31am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_In_Boston View Post

If I needed to have the 950 exchanged I would need Best Buy to pick up the old set and also deliver the new one. It sounds like that is what you are having done.

So my question to you, or anyone that has done this, is are you paying for Best Buy to deliver the new 950 and also paying for them to take the old 950 back?

Seems it would be best to call BB and ask them. They probably know
Reply
Reply
post #1530 of 3775
11/14/08 at 8:34am
Quote:
Originally Posted by jazzbass View Post

Seems it would be best to call BB and ask them. They probably know


You think????????
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: LCD Flat Panel Displays

AVS Top Picks

AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Samsung Series 9 Owners - Observations, Comments and Advice