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post #2731 of 3778
Can anyone explain how the WB movie option in the service menu works and what it is used for? I need to know if it is off, do the settings effect the picture or does it need to be on. I changed these settings and forgot to write the old ones down (RETARD!!!) and the colors look kind of weird even with it set to off. When it is off does the set use a different set of white balance controls? I would greatly appreciate an answer.
post #2732 of 3778
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Originally Posted by slumpey326 View Post

I am sorry to say that I am no longer a LN46A950. Moved on to bigger and better things. The samsung was an amazing tv, just had a few flaws that I couldnt get over. It will be messed. Good luck to all of you and enjoy.

Well!! gee things have changed while I was out watching my Elite. Welcome to the dark side Slump! Maybe in a few weeks after isf day mode gets enabled you can come and school the masses about your thought on 950 vs elite...having owned both.

(hurry there are a few left as of today)

I am surprised, but then again not really. In the end everyone will own a plasma, well wished for one. Since plasma are going to be extinct soon.
post #2733 of 3778
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Originally Posted by simplemath View Post

Well!! gee things have changed while I was out watching my Elite. Welcome to the dark side Slump! Maybe in a few weeks after isf day mode gets enabled you can come and school the masses about your thought on 950 vs elite...having owned both.

950 owners don't have to spend $400 extra for an ISF caliabration to get decent screen brightness.
post #2734 of 3778
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Originally Posted by kurochickensoup View Post

Can anyone explain how the WB movie option in the service menu works and what it is used for? I need to know if it is off, do the settings effect the picture or does it need to be on. I changed these settings and forgot to write the old ones down (RETARD!!!) and the colors look kind of weird even with it set to off. When it is off does the set use a different set of white balance controls? I would greatly appreciate an answer.

The WB movie white balance setting's are different from set to set. I went through a total of four sets and all R/B gains/offsets were different. Yes, the WB setting's gain's and offset's change the total picture no matter if the option is on or off in the service menu. If you want you can PM me and I'll give you my WB movie setting's, atleast it will get your WB in the ballpark!
post #2735 of 3778
What technical issue does Auto Motion Plus (AMP) overcome?
The problem:
"LCDs appear to exhibit motion blur as the human eye follows moving objects, where CRT screens do not. This is because an individual LCD pixel is constantly visible for the entire duration of a frame (typically 16.7ms), whereas a CRT pixel is lit for only a fraction of a microsecond once per frame as the electron beam scans past it. The means that even on a hypothetical LCD panel with a response time of zero, a panning image will appear to have motion blur whereas a panning image on a CRT monitor will not. This is caused by the movement of our eyes during the time the frame is visible."
So we humans are the problem!
Plasma overcomes the blurriness by adding dither from 400 to 600Hz. This technique also reduces motion resolution slightly some and adds noise. But for whatever reasons (beyond the scope of this post) there is little criticism.

Samsung introduced AMP in the 81 series. Here it effectively reduces motion lag in fast-motion images by cycling the eight individual rows in the LED array, sequentially turning each row off and on every eighth (1/8) of a second.

"In the improved 950, the LED Motion Plus cycles horizontal blocks of the LED backlights on and off, scrolling from top to bottom once every frame (120th of a second). Since this shuts off the backlighting while the LCD is changing states from on to off or back, you don’t see the lag that occurs during this transition. But the technique also noticeably reduces brightness."

So should this unique feature be turned off? Absolutely not! For any serious evaluation it should be left on, especially in a darkened room. In the 950, the scanning is tightly integrated to the 120Hz panel update rate and also the motion interpolation which up-samples from 24 or 60Hz to 120Hz. This feature has a similar name: Auto Motion 120Hz.
One would think that overcoming motion blur due to limitations in both the technology and human visual perception would be welcomed. Not at all. At least not for fans of plasma motion dither. I believe the root cause is that LCD, no matter how much it improves, is still LCD. Will the snobs will always hold LCD in utter disdain?
Out of all the 950 reviews, Sound and Vision Magazine deserves praise for being the least biased. They engage these important features and report the improvements in picture quality. They conclude the best local dimming LCD matches the best plasma (less viewing angle vs. deeper blacks).
It is most interesting to follow the Kuro demise and watch how individual members re-evaluate their positions. Will the best of LCD technology get the respect it deserves?
The 950 is such a technical tour-de-force it should satisfy even the pickiest for many years. Since calibration* the display essentially disappears. It becomes easy to judge sources: OTA, Blu-ray, DVD and ATT U-verse. DVD (at 24p) is the surprise winner while U-verse is a down-sampled mess.
Add this to a top-notch front projector and you have all the bases covered indefinitely!


*Remember my calibrated my unit was set to be (just) completely off with a 0 IRE signal in a dark room.
post #2736 of 3778
Hi Guys, great forum.

I'm about to take ownership of a 55" 9 Series, and want to make sure its not a demo, because there's a shortage of panels where I live, I want to avoid being given one, to get me off there backs.

Is there a way to find "hours of operation" in the service screen to insure my panel is brand new?


Cheers
post #2737 of 3778
I was hoping that anyone on her could help me w/ a problem w/ my LN55A950? I'm having a problem w/ motion in slow moving scenes! Scenes that have peoples faces on the screen seem to jump a lil when moving to a different position or kinda jump thru the movement,also seems to happen during slow walking or other types of slow movement such as when a camera is scanning left or right during a scene! I have tried turning on the AMP and using the 120 hertz motion in every setting and nothing seems to change this.I'm also getting this problem when using a blue-ray on a different input so its not my cable box .I have this TV hooked up w/ monster HDMI s (120 hertz) so it shouldn't be the wires? I have called samsung and they are having a Tech come out this Wednesday.Has anyone else had this kinda problem? Any info would be greatly appreciated...Thanks
post #2738 of 3778
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Originally Posted by Hotstick12 View Post

I was hoping that anyone on her could help me w/ a problem w/ my LN55A950? I'm having a problem w/ motion in slow moving scenes! Scenes that have peoples faces on the screen seem to jump a lil when moving to a different position or kinda jump thru the movement,also seems to happen during slow walking or other types of slow movement such as when a camera is scanning left or right during a scene! I have tried turning on the AMP and using the 120 hertz motion in every setting and nothing seems to change this.I'm also getting this problem when using a blue-ray on a different input so its not my cable box .I have this TV hooked up w/ monster HDMI s (120 hertz) so it shouldn't be the wires? I have called samsung and they are having a Tech come out this Wednesday.Has anyone else had this kinda problem? Any info would be greatly appreciated...Thanks

What receiver are you using?

I have experienced this issue too I think. For some scenes it looks as if the frame rate is off and the scene video skips and there is a very noticeable ghosting like when someone turns their head there is a white tinted frame remaining of their head in the original position.

I am not sure what is the cause of this but thought maybe my new AVR was messing up the image. I posted to the the tx-sr876 thread and asked how to disable all processing. I made the necessary adjustments and the pictured returned to normal (no skipping/ghosting). However, watching the academy awards HD broadcast tonight I noticed the skipping/ghosting come back for about 15 minutes. Not really sure where this comes from. Please tell us your exact setup (DVR directly to A950?).
post #2739 of 3778
Well i havent noticed it as much during live broadcast or sports(hockey) as much a HIDEF shows like lost/24 and stuff like that but i have my Scientific Atlanta (explorer 8300) HiDef DVR box directly into the Tv via HDMi.But like i said i have noticed this while watching a blueray(ps3) via 120 hrtz hdmi directly into the tv but ur saying its probly something w/ the processing on the set??
post #2740 of 3778
But sounds like we are getting similar problems tho.
post #2741 of 3778
I also have a 8300HDC and the problem is with high def shows. Please tell me the serial number of your unit (on the right side of the tv) and your firmware version.

I wonder if the problem is related to the early models of this tv (mine is an August 2008 model).
post #2742 of 3778
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Originally Posted by Mossimos View Post

Hi Guys, great forum.

I'm about to take ownership of a 55" 9 Series, and want to make sure its not a demo, because there's a shortage of panels where I live, I want to avoid being given one, to get me off there backs.

Is there a way to find "hours of operation" in the service screen to insure my panel is brand new? Cheers

There's a shortage?
post #2743 of 3778
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Originally Posted by wonderbread57 View Post

I also have a 8300HDC and the problem is with high def shows. Please tell me the serial number of your unit (on the right side of the tv) and your firmware version.

I wonder if the problem is related to the early models of this tv (mine is an August 2008 model).

Hey my ser # is (AQG13CEQC00626H) n says my tv is manufactured 12/31/08. Does yours do this when watching a DVD or Blueray as well? Mine does .
post #2744 of 3778
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Originally Posted by wonderbread57 View Post

I also have a 8300HDC and the problem is with high def shows. Please tell me the serial number of your unit (on the right side of the tv) and your firmware version.

I wonder if the problem is related to the early models of this tv (mine is an August 2008 model).

I have on of the first models and have no such issue. I have my sources all routed through a Denon 1909 and have no such lag, judder or jitter on HD sources or STD.

There are some channels that do just plain suck but thats usually completely due to the source material and not the TV.
post #2745 of 3778
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Originally Posted by hddvdboy View Post

Anybody notice that navigating the setup menu while you have an hdmi device hooked up and playing is next to impossible? It is extremely slow and unresponsive. I am just wondering if there is a fix for this. I bought my LN55A950 in the middle of December and it has the new dimming board and version 1002.5 firmware installed. I have tried to contact samsung but no stable firmware upgrade has been released or posted on their support site.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Bought mine in November, have had service tech to my house 4 times to fix this same issue. Service tech replaced main board, dimming board, te-board?sp???, and some wiring, diagnosis... unrepairable. Samsung offered a replacement from any Best Buy / Magnolia, but Best Buy has NONE in stock on the east coast of the US. Samsung has NONE in stock in their warehouse. Waiting on next offer from Samsung.
post #2746 of 3778
Great news lol ,i was hoping for a simple fix somewhere i the service menu but if we do have the same problem looks like ill be getting a new set after a few tech guy visits and getting sick of waiting to watch my TV w/ out flaws !Isn't that what we paid for??
post #2747 of 3778
OOh n BTW my menu on my tv is extremely slow until my tv warms up ..saw u had a problem w/ that as well.
post #2748 of 3778
Is there a way to properly calibrate the white balance in the user menu if the settings in the service menu (WB Movie) are off? I changed these settings and forgot to write down what they originally were. Does this mean I'm screwed, or can it be re calibrated through the user menu white balance settings. Is there some kind of disc or program to use to get this setting correct? Also, does this setting effect the colors or just the white and black levels?
post #2749 of 3778
What I meant by the WB movie settings being "off" was that the numbers were changed from their original values, however I did turn WB movie off. mascior says these settings apply to the picture if it's on or off in a post on this thread, however he pm'ed me previously and said they only take effect if it is set to on. Can anyone set this straight for the record?
post #2750 of 3778
Hi,

Just playing with the new set. Not that I will use it that often but the InfoLink has me stumped. I can't seem to find the location to change the TV from Canadian to US cities for weather etc.

....or do I have a TV that was supposed to end up in Canada??



Bill
post #2751 of 3778
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Originally Posted by doenute View Post

Hi,

Just playing with the new set. Not that I will use it that often but the InfoLink has me stumped. I can't seem to find the location to change the TV from Canadian to US cities for weather etc.

....or do I have a TV that was supposed to end up in Canada??

Bill

To further clarify the problem:

1. InfoLink works but will only supply data for Canada

When you follow directions on changing location of feed to be downloaded (Press yellow remote button while in Weather Mode) you are not shown the option to enter a zip code for new location.

2. Feed data is being supplied by Yahoo! not USA Today as stated in owner's manual.

If your problem is as described above see the following link for explanation:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=#post15521695
post #2752 of 3778
Hi. I messed up my WB movie settings in the service menu. Can anyone tell me a way to fix them. I changed them using someone else settings and forgot to write my originals down. If anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it.
post #2753 of 3778
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Originally Posted by kurochickensoup View Post

Hi. I messed up my WB movie settings in the service menu. Can anyone tell me a way to fix them. I changed them using someone else settings and forgot to write my originals down. If anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it.

That depends....on whether the WB in the service menu is uniquely set at factory for each set or is standard, there is no guarantee that they will help you.

As i wrote mine down before i tinkered:

Original:
WB:
R Gain W2 72
B Gain W2 84
R Offset W2 0
B Offset W2 5

Hope this helps.
post #2754 of 3778
Does anyone know if theres a way to reset the WB movie values to original settings in the service menu?
post #2755 of 3778
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Originally Posted by kurochickensoup View Post

Does anyone know if theres a way to reset the WB movie values to original settings in the service menu?

Sounds like an oops.
post #2756 of 3778
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

There's a shortage?

There seems to be a shortage, and the 950's that are available are now being sold higher in price. I went through the "waiting on stock" process, earlier this year, when I ordered a 52a750 and none where to be had, finally settled on a 52a650 after waiting over a month. I'm in a bit of a fix...does anyone have an idea of the list price on the LN-B8000? I might have to wait until May for the 8000, but would love to get the 950 now at a fair price.
post #2757 of 3778
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Originally Posted by jcord51 View Post

There seems to be a shortage, and the 950's that are available are now being sold higher in price. I went through the "waiting on stock" process, earlier this year, when I ordered a 52a750 and none where to be had, finally settled on a 52a650 after waiting over a month. I'm in a bit of a fix...does anyone have an idea of the list price on the LN-B8000? I might have to wait until May for the 8000, but would love to get the 950 now at a fair price.

The 8000 does not locally dim, so expect flashlights and clouds to come back with that model.

The 240hz would be nice though. It should also be pretty slim.
post #2758 of 3778
So would I have to pay for a pro calibration to fix the WB movie settings?
post #2759 of 3778
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Originally Posted by kurochickensoup View Post

So would I have to pay for a pro calibration to fix the WB movie settings?

depends on whether they are standard for every set or not...an answer i dont know...but if others could post there unchanged settings that might resolve for you.
post #2760 of 3778
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Originally Posted by arikmoon View Post

The 8000 does not locally dim, so expect flashlights and clouds to come back with that model.

The 240hz would be nice though. It should also be pretty slim.

What is up with the fascination over thinness. I would think any tv thats less than 6" in depth and 8" in depth including stand would be just fine for a massive majority of folks...as thinness doesnt currently allow for technology that improves LCD to be adequately incorporated.

Until OLED becomes a viable long term option i wish manufacturers would go for picture quality not thinness as a selling point....end rant...we now return to your regularly scheduled 950 discussion....
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