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post #511 of 3775
Here's the first review that I have found on the Samsung 950 conducted by CNET, it gets an "Excellent" rating with four of five stars. Here's the link.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...rColumnArea1.1
post #512 of 3775
post #513 of 3775
tried the cnet settings but wasnt a big fan.

I am still hooked on standard mode with the default settings. Only changed AMP and aspect ratio.
post #514 of 3775
CNET likes a dull picture most people don't go for the movie mode I don't like movie or dynamic to me in between is the perfect amount of brightness and whats great about Local Dimming is brightness doesn't impact blacks so your not losing black level performance with a brighter picture as much as a Kuro. I'll be buying the 46 inch version in about 3 months for my bedroom I can't wait its the best LCD ever according to cnet!
post #515 of 3775
what firmware do we have on the 950s

I clicked the info button on the remote when I was on system update and I saw something that said 1001.3

Is this right
post #516 of 3775
Great review. I think the 55 may not be as bad on the negitaves as the 46. Maybe more zones ect. I dont know, only looked at the 46 for a short time but seemed to not do quite as well as the 55. I noticed that all the conners would light up on the 46 letterbox bars with bright material.This does not happen the same way with the 55.
If you have a very bright white letters on a black background I see the same glow of the 55 like I do on plasma or crt. If the bright white is turned down then this is mitagated just like any display would do.
Also if the bright is turned up a click or 2 too much then there can become a brighter area around the object.Just like other displays. But when set properly, setting anywhere on the couch at 10ft veiwing angle is no problem in the blacks. I was concerned about this before I bought and seemed the letter box bars would light up more on the 46 but it still does it on the 55 some BUT so does any display including plasma although not as bad being dimmer. Having a bright white object next to a black letter box bar will allow some of that white light to go over into the dark bar, its only natural If you back down the backlight then all this gets better and better because the bright white is not as bright.
This set is bright so you can run a much lower back light that the 650. About a 6 will equal a 10 on the 650 with same engery settings. It also seem that if you have a single icon on the extreme conner of the screen it tends to ligh up more than in the center parts where credits roll. Credits do just as good or better than any set I have seen ..

I would compair it to rear projection for example only worse on rear projection.When you have very white on very black there can be no complete cuttoff. There will be some slight glow. Crt tubes do this as well as do plasmas when they reflect and scatter the light on there own screen. I think this may be getting a bad rap and is not cause by the zones. Now you can see the zone glow when you move to the exterme angle. You will see a round circle around the object. Very ugly.but near head on you cannot see any of this. Plasmas when they get a year or too of age get extra bad for this type of stright on glowing around bright objects. The plasma has a lead glass in front of the screen. This is to keep you from dieing from radiation poisoning from the plasma.This lead glass tends to begin to reflect and cause even more of this glowing.
It might be possible to clean that glass on certin brands but it would require removel of the pannel in most cases. I am not sure it would stop that glowing but might. For sure on 2 recent 2 year old plasmas I have seen recently the glow is much worse than the 950 by far with the white letters much dimmer.
The lcd does not have this type of lead glass sheild. There may be some radiation from lcd but I have never heard of it,maybe someone more informed than me will know for sure. Is the ld perfect no, but its pretty dam good.

Is it worth 2000 more than a 657 750. Depends on if you like a bright picture.
Using auto "no review does this to date"and 3 on the back light will give very good blacks on the 650 750. Not quite as good as the 950 can do. But if you like it bright then you can run the 950 much brighter with better blacks.
In normal room lighting its hard to see alot of difference in the 650 750 vs the 950.
950 is much brighter and goes much darker to black.
Images will have alot more pop in dark scenes.
Credits are very bright where as on the 650 750 will be dimmer.
Whites are much whiter if that is even possible but they are regaurdless of white blance settings.
I posted pics to show these differences, although they are crude.
Removes the last bit of fog from 650 750 which can be small if set properly.
Color seems to be slightly better. Processing is just a touch better. SOO you make the call. Its a lot of money but it does deliver better performance than the 650 750.

From the other side
post #517 of 3775
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Originally Posted by slumpey326 View Post

tried the cnet settings but wasnt a big fan.

I am still hooked on standard mode with the default settings. Only changed AMP and aspect ratio.

cnet settings never look good. They are usually over dark and very warm.
post #518 of 3775
During the brief times when the screen faded entirely to black, the Samsung's LEDs turned off completely and its screen was darker than the Pioneer's. In other extremely dark shots, such as 55:40 and 57:35 into the film, the Samsung also briefly appeared darker than the Pioneer.

Close attention to setting can do alot.
post #519 of 3775
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Originally Posted by studdad View Post

cnet settings never look good. They are usually over dark and very warm.

agreed
post #520 of 3775
Wow, with AMP and LED Motion Plus engaged, the motion resolution of the 950 is 1000 lines. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new LCD record. Impressive.
post #521 of 3775
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Originally Posted by kyler13 View Post

Wow, with AMP and LED Motion Plus engaged, the motion resolution of the 950 is 1000 lines. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a new LCD record. Impressive.

Very impressive,,,,,almost makes me want to put my 750 in the rec room for the kids, and buy one of these. I love my 750, but the motion blur is still my one complaint about regular LCDs. I think the 750/650 output at 600 lines during motion, which is much improved over other LCDs, but still far from 1000 lines. The better Plasmas are at around 900 lines if I remember correctly, so 1000 lines is HOT!!!
post #522 of 3775
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Originally Posted by KDH View Post

Menu to the gear looking icon
Then go down to the last one for software update. While that is highlighted press info on the remote. version will appear at the bottom of the screen

Ah thanks. Mine must be 1001.3 Jul 11 2008. But there is a bunch more info there.
post #523 of 3775
it appears the 650 & 750 have gotten a few firmware upgrades since they have been released.

Will the 950 get a firmware upgrade if need be in the future. Did the 81 series ever get any. just wondering.
post #524 of 3775
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Originally Posted by SpeedracerII View Post

Ah thanks. Mine must be 1001.3 Jul 11 2008. But there is a bunch more info there.

Is the AMP on the 950 series the same as the 750 series. Just wondering because they dont appear to have the same firmware.
post #525 of 3775
To all the gamers out there, this TV was made for Gears of War! For those not in the know it is a very dark first person shooter and really makes the 950 shine. I just got a few more HDMI cables from monoprice and hooked up my laptop to the TV to play Gears, it is really amazing. The black levels are perfect, even playing with the lights off, and the details are great (textures, particles, etc). I recommend that anyone that has a good graphics card on their computer try out this game on the 950 (everything cranked up to max), even in store, it really shows how good this TV can look.

Also, regarding the cnet review, I think they blew the blooming way out of proportion, I rarely see it and it only seems to affect credits and the Playstation pause screen, and even then only really becomes noticeable in a dark room. It becomes a little more pronounced off access, and I have yet to see it during normal watching. Again it is hard to state how great this set is.
post #526 of 3775
For those of you who would like to use the led motion plus but doin't want the hit in brighness GOOD news.

power off mute 182 power on.
Enter service mode.
arrow down to the wb movie.
right arrow into that screen
right arrow again then one more time to turn it on.
then arrow down to put into movie.
Now default settings can be set to your likeing here.
To see the options hit menu or return to back out of the single listing to see all options.You can set color temp contrast brightness anything you want as default.
Now heres where it gets brighter. Bottom right on that menu is gamma. It is set to m2. Thats almost as dark as possible. There are many settings here,from off to .98,.95,.93,.90.,.88,.85,m1 ,m2,m3,m4
The brightes setting will be .85. Brightness will be on par with the max brightness that the 650 750 can do.Rember it will be a lot brighter here in the service menu untill you exit the service mode and engadge LED motion plus.
I like it you might to.You can also play with the other settings. .90 would be a good one as well just a little darker.
1000 lines + bright.
you now have all options avaible to you out of the service mode using movie mode.
It will still be just a touch darker than with plus off but not to bad, and a bunch brighter than it was.
hit return to get back to orignal screen, power off to exit and save changes.
Enjoy motion plus.


OPPS kuro just lost one more advantage.

P.S. Forgot to say that the default value for the sub contrast for all other modes is 134. I think in movie it is 128. You can run this up to, but I would not get to crazy here. 137 is used as a default on the 65.142 I would think max.I went with the 134
NOW comes the question will this shorten the life of the pannel. don't know so use at your on risk.
Seems the color is better some how cain't explaine that either. O well.....


From the other side
post #527 of 3775
was watching some demo material made for the 81f on the 55 950 and it is a very impressive display. the brightness of this set as well as the deep blacks creates an amazing result.
one part in particular stood out. during some showroom car material. the screen was black and then there was some light/reflection caressing the curves of what was revealed to be some chrome details of a classic car as the picture faded in from complete black. the light streaks seemingly just popped off the screen. i've never seen that effect be so pronounced.

makes me want to buy a 55 950. when will it come down to previous msrp or less?

i checked the settings on the set and contrast was 100 backlight 10. whoa.
post #528 of 3775
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Originally Posted by slumpey326 View Post

Is the AMP on the 950 series the same as the 750 series. Just wondering because they dont appear to have the same firmware.

I'm sure the firmware is a different version due to the addition of software to control the LED backlight. The AMP part might be the same but I don't know for sure.

I wonder if the menu lag can be fixed in software. I don't see it much but it is a little annoying when it happens.
post #529 of 3775
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Originally Posted by KDH View Post

For those of you who would like to use the led motion plus but doin't want the hit in brighness GOOD news.

power off mute 182 power on.
Enter service mode.
arrow down to the wb movie.
right arrow into that screen
right arrow again then one more time to turn it on.
then arrow down to put into movie.
Now default settings can be set to your likeing here.
To see the options hit menu or return to back out of the single listing to see all options.You can set color temp contrast brightness anything you want as default.
Now heres where it gets brighter. Bottom right on that menu is gamma. It is set to m2. Thats almost as dark as possible. There are many settings here,from off to .98,.95,.93,.90.,.88,.85,m1 ,m2,m3,m4
The brightes setting will be .85. Brightness will be on par with the max brightness that the 650 750 can do.Rember it will be a lot brighter here in the service menu untill you exit the service mode and engadge LED motion plus.
I like it you might to.You can also play with the other settings. .90 would be a good one as well just a little darker.
1000 lines + bright.
you now have all options avaible to you out of the service mode using movie mode.
It will still be just a touch darker than with plus off but not to bad, and a bunch brighter than it was.
hit return to get back to orignal screen, power off to exit and save changes.
Enjoy motion plus.


OPPS kuro just lost one more advantage.

From the other side

KDH, thanks for all these service menu tweaks. I'm a little nervous to make changes or mistakes that would screw up my set.

On this particular tweak, are you saying this enables LED Motion Plus by default whether or not you are in Movie mode? In other words does this add LED MP to Standard mode?
post #530 of 3775
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Originally Posted by TallCoolOne View Post


Anyway, overall I was very impressed with the picture. They have Pioneer Elite and non-elite Kuros also setup nearby and the picture was very comparable. The Kuro was not as bright but then again, in the showroom with no pro calibration i take everything with a grain of salt.

Kuro's aren't nearly as bright as an LCD (any), with or without calibration... Just a totally different technology. I owned one and returned it! haha
post #531 of 3775
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Originally Posted by SpeedracerII View Post

KDH, thanks for all these service menu tweaks. I'm a little nervous to make changes or mistakes that would screw up my set.

On this particular tweak, are you saying this enables LED Motion Plus by default whether or not you are in Movie mode? In other words does this add LED MP to Standard mode?

I'm too nervious to change anything on the service menu either. Why can't you just go into movie mode and turn up the contrast and backlight? it remembers the settings anyway.
post #532 of 3775
Ops it sets the standard mode to .85 on the gamma as well. Just discovered that. You could set gamma minuis in the standerd mode in detaild settings I suppose but it is extremly bright in standerd..
This is just a way to up the gamma range, It can also be controlled in the service menu but it affects standerd and movie mode. In other words gamma settings in detailed settings will now be max about it in the center position.
BUT thats all to bright. Using the gamma with the m2 setting is a little dimmer than the 650. But I tell ya this thing is just about all to bright anyway.
post #533 of 3775
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpeedracerII View Post

KDH, thanks for all these service menu tweaks. I'm a little nervous to make changes or mistakes that would screw up my set.

On this particular tweak, are you saying this enables LED Motion Plus by default whether or not you are in Movie mode? In other words does this add LED MP to Standard mode?

No it does not. This is probably not as good as I thought it was.
post #534 of 3775
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Originally Posted by adrien05 View Post

Hi Guys,
I'm new here and writting from Europe (France)... I've been spying on you as I'm definitely planning on buying a new set and serie 9 is in the very short list for its "brand new" LED technology.
So, I'm refering to the only place where this set is actually out : the US :-)

Anyway, I'm only here to give you this to think about : http://av.samsung.de/produkte/detail...b-463d20410b25
=> Serie 7 with LED dimming... basically 1000$ () cheaper than same size on serie 9 but no multimedia capabilities (InfoLive, Content Library, DLnA).
Comparison of both :
http://av.samsung.de/produkte/subtyp...b-463d20410b25,

Any comment ?

Moreover... quick message to kyler13... What do you know this halo problem which would be solved now ? :-)

Many thanks for all the feedback anyway !

Hi guys,

No body care for a comment on this one ??
post #535 of 3775
hey all,
ok so after playing with my new LN55A950 for the last few hours here are my observations: WOW.
The picture definitely pops, colors are immaculate! A HUGE improvement over my previous Sharp LCD. I did some basic calibrating using DVE BD disc (no service menu altering).
I watched several scenes in Underworld, the blacks are simply amazing.
Off angle viewing definitely degrades but it's not as bad as I thought it would be especially after reading the CNET review...they had mentioned sitting one seat cushion over made a huge difference, not for me...it made a very slight difference but even at the corner seats of my couch the picture is far better than any LCD i have seen before. Standing up and looking down at the set or going to the extreme sides definitely caused much more degradation, but i never plan on watching from there anyway.

I took some pictures, i'll post them soon (once i figure out how exactly).
post #536 of 3775
ok here are some pictures, with lights completely off:







It looks much better in person, the blacks just blend into the bars at the top and bottom and the dark room...
I'll take some to compare off angle vs direct later.
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post #537 of 3775
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Originally Posted by dmarek87 View Post

CNET likes a dull picture most people don't go for the movie mode I don't like movie or dynamic to me in between is the perfect amount of brightness and whats great about Local Dimming is brightness doesn't impact blacks so your not losing black level performance with a brighter picture as much as a Kuro. I'll be buying the 46 inch version in about 3 months for my bedroom I can't wait its the best LCD ever according to cnet!

I've been reading David Katzmaier 's reviews for years and he brings a strong BIAS in favor of Plasma. I don't give a crap how good an LCD may evolve he'll always seek with his bias to nitpik and make the LCD a less than choice versus his beloved Plasma's.

Of course he favors those viewing modes as that is actually his preference a dim dull Kuro or an 850 Panny with dirty dull whites. When viewing a CNET review always look to the source and David Katzmaier will always make the LCD a less than experience despite the FACTS that a top of the line LCD will blow the Kuro out of the sunlit room many of us have. Let's see him place them side by side in a sunny room that is reality for many and then do the reviews.

Enjoying your guys honeymoon and may it last, so far it's holding up and damn where's the 70" version - I'd pay up to $7K for a 70" version. BTW what the hell is so expensive about this panel anyways as he asserts - it truly isn't. It's certainly less than a Kuro.
post #538 of 3775
Quote:
've been reading David Katzmaier 's reviews for years and he brings a strong BIAS in favor of Plasma. I don't give a crap how good an LCD may evolve he'll always seek with his bias to nitpik and make the LCD a less than choice versus his beloved Plasma's.

Of course he favors those viewing modes as that is actually his preference a dim dull Kuro or an 850 Panny with dirty dull whites. When viewing a CNET review always look to the source and David Katzmaier will always make the LCD a less than experience despite the FACTS that a top of the line LCD will blow the Kuro out of the sunlit room many of us have. Let's see him place them side by side in a sunny room that is reality for many and then do the reviews.

Spot on Westa6969 TRUE
post #539 of 3775
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Originally Posted by TallCoolOne View Post

It looks much better in person, the blacks just blend into the bars at the top and bottom and the dark room...
I'll take some to compare off angle vs direct later.

Great pictures - much appreciated

If you do post any further picture - can you add one or two from SD material - i.e. a DVD - just to see how this compares.

Thank you.
Baz
post #540 of 3775
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by adrien05 View Post

Hi guys,

No body care for a comment on this one ??

Charlie,

It looks like the only difference is $ & Content Library, which I wouldn't pay for if there was a choice, and maybe Wiselink Pro, which could be a small bonus if you don't have a PS3
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