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post #61 of 3775
8/26/08 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by slumpey326 View Post

diabolyte, tried the cnet settings but they looked horrible in my opinion, too washed out.

I really like the rich, bright colors and sharpness that standard mode brings out. Only settings I touched was turned DNR to OFF from Auto and lower AMP from MEDIUM to LOW.

yep most people think it looks too dull in normal ambient light conditions, cnets setting is ideal for only watching movies in a completely dark room because it is closer to how the set would look if it has been professionally calibrated--more accurate colors, better black levels shadow details and etc.
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post #62 of 3775
8/26/08 at 8:21pm
I think a great movie to test contrast is AVP Requiem. This movie will absolutely destroy a panel that has subpar ansi contrast, and on/off contrast. Does anyone have this movie on BD? If so, could you be so kind as to let us know how this set performs? As silly as this may sound, AVPR, and Cloverfield are the two movies that showed just how inferior the true contrast on my 71 series Sammy was, which is why I sold it (I had calibrated it using an EYEOne Display LT).
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post #63 of 3775
8/26/08 at 8:33pm
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Originally Posted by diabolyte View Post

these are Cnet's samsung 650 settings for dark room. of course it doesn't have LED smart lighting and LED motion plus feature, so make sure you have LED smartlighting on and LED motion plus off.

The 650 has Auto Motion Plus too
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post #64 of 3775
8/26/08 at 8:36pm
I know i'm way to far ahead in time, but can you imagine the new TRON 2 movie on these screens. Dam it's a good day (in places that have them in stock) hurry up amazon. sorry wrong room...
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post #65 of 3775
8/26/08 at 8:47pm
TRON.......lol...has been a long time since I have seen that. They have a new release coming out? Modern Marvel?
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post #66 of 3775
8/26/08 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by kinghappy View Post

The 650 has Auto Motion Plus too

not LED motion plus
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post #67 of 3775
8/26/08 at 10:17pm
My 55/950 arrived in town at the shippers facility but due to work I can't get time off until Friday afternoon to take delivery. Painful! But when it gets in I promise to post some pictures.
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post #68 of 3775
8/27/08 at 1:01am
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...080825/156803/

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LED backlight employed

The "PAVV Bordeaux 950" and "780" are LCD TVs featuring LED backlights. The "950" is a 55-inch model, whereas 46- and 40-inch models are available with the "780." Samsung announced 70-inch LED backlit LCD TV in June 2007 and 52- and 57-inch models in October 2007.

Introducing LED backlights to the 40-inch class models, the company facilitates LED-backlit LCD TVs to spread, it said. These models feature a "chameleon LED backlight," Samsung's proprietary local dimming technology, to raise contrast and video properties.

"chameleon LED backlight," = RGB-LED´s?
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post #69 of 3775
8/27/08 at 1:57am
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Originally Posted by ALMA View Post

http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/english...080825/156803/



"chameleon LED backlight," = RGB-LED´s?

I would perceive this as meaning it can become any needed color from white light LED. I believe the Sony is the RGB LED which may equate it's significant higher price factor.
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post #70 of 3775
8/27/08 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by diabolyte View Post

could any 950 owners post some pics similar to these:



A compressed picture taken from a point and shoot is not going to show any true representation of those settings...or any other settings for that matter.


I would recommend seeing this TV in person.
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post #71 of 3775
8/27/08 at 11:22am
Where are you guys finding this set?!?!? I hit up all the online retailers I usually shop at, BB, CC, etc. I can't find this thing anywhere. Not even Big River.
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post #72 of 3775
8/27/08 at 11:25am
bb has it, but it is not in the system. go to the store and have them pull it up, they are there.

I got mine from there and got 12% off.
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post #73 of 3775
8/27/08 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by muahman View Post

Where are you guys finding this set?!?!? I hit up all the online retailers I usually shop at, BB, CC, etc. I can't find this thing anywhere. Not even Big River.

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post #74 of 3775
8/27/08 at 12:48pm
New owner since yesterday. Some quick observations:

- Box dimensions: 58.5 x 40 x 18"
- Some flashlighting in corners. Smart LED handy for getting rid of this in the black bars that flank 4:3 material or wider-screen movies.
- Quite narrow angle of view horizontally before color desaturation begins to take place.
- Jim Lehrer's face on an PBS HD broadcast from the Dem Convention looked pasty and devoid of expected detail. No adjustments seemed to help. I turned on my trusty old Westinghouse LVM-42w2 and saw a remarkably better-looking image (face). More detail and more color. I adjusted the 950 to try to generally match the 42w2 image and with rough equivalence in overall image, the face did not look as good on the 950. I had zeroed out most processing and was becoming a little distraught. Finally I killed the Smart LED, and this fixed the problem. Apparently, the LEDs local to the face were "overdriving" and washing out the details? So, in this particular case, and some other scenes I've observed involving faces I see a better result without the Smart LED function. But generally I have had it enabled and prefer the benefits to the possible negatives. I really like having the demo mode (vertically split screen---1/2 Smart LED on, 1/2 off) for evaluation purposes. It is annoying that this feature throws you into dynamic mode (which I immediately return to standard) but at least it doesn't seem to reset any other settings.
- The unit throws of noticeably less heat than the Westinghouse so I suspect it is drawing less power for the same brightness. I will measure soon.
- No bad pixels observed. Whew!

At this point in my brief ownership I would definitely buy again!
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post #75 of 3775
8/27/08 at 12:50pm
What does the Smart LED setting do exactly, should it be on or off.
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post #76 of 3775
8/27/08 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by slumpey326 View Post

What does the Smart LED setting do exactly, should it be on or off.

It makes the dark areas darker by dimming the LED's in or close to that area, and sometimes boosts (maybe overkill sometimes) in brighter areas
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post #77 of 3775
8/27/08 at 1:06pm
Based on the robin's info, it would seem they should have another option to control what the Smart LED does (reduce the dark, but do not boost the light) so it does not negatively impact detail on faces.

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Originally Posted by berthman View Post

It makes the dark areas darker by dimming the LED's in or close to that area, and sometimes boosts (maybe overkill sometimes) in brighter areas
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post #78 of 3775
8/27/08 at 1:16pm
How narrow is the "quite narrow angle of view horizontally before color desaturation begins to take place"? How does it look at say 45 degrees? Is it that the colors seem more faded when viewing from these angles? How would that compare to other LCDs?

Sorry for so many questions... obviously this is a small concern of mine based on my possible room logistics.


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Originally Posted by Robin View Post

New owner since yesterday. Some quick observations:

- Box dimensions: 58.5 x 40 x 18"
- Some flashlighting in corners. Smart LED handy for getting rid of this in the black bars that flank 4:3 material or wider-screen movies.
- Quite narrow angle of view horizontally before color desaturation begins to take place.
- Jim Lehrer's face on an PBS HD broadcast from the Dem Convention looked pasty and devoid of expected detail. No adjustments seemed to help. I turned on my trusty old Westinghouse LVM-42w2 and saw a remarkably better-looking image (face). More detail and more color. I adjusted the 950 to try to generally match the 42w2 image and with rough equivalence in overall image, the face did not look as good on the 950. I had zeroed out most processing and was becoming a little distraught. Finally I killed the Smart LED, and this fixed the problem. Apparently, the LEDs local to the face were "overdriving" and washing out the details? So, in this particular case, and some other scenes I've observed involving faces I see a better result without the Smart LED function. But generally I have had it enabled and prefer the benefits to the possible negatives. I really like having the demo mode (vertically split screen---1/2 Smart LED on, 1/2 off) for evaluation purposes. It is annoying that this feature throws you into dynamic mode (which I immediately return to standard) but at least it doesn't seem to reset any other settings.
- The unit throws of noticeably less heat than the Westinghouse so I suspect it is drawing less power for the same brightness. I will measure soon.
- No bad pixels observed. Whew!

At this point in my brief ownership I would definitely buy again!
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post #79 of 3775
8/27/08 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by jdryyz View Post

Based on the robin's info, it would seem they should have another option to control what the Smart LED does (reduce the dark, but do not boost the light) so it does not negatively impact detail on faces.

Well, that would be the 81-series. Overdriving the bright pixels with less backlight is probably used to reduce blooming with nearby darker pixels. Sounds like there's still bugs with this method if it's washing out detail.
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post #80 of 3775
8/27/08 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by jdryyz View Post

Based on the robin's info, it would seem they should have another option to control what the Smart LED does (reduce the dark, but do not boost the light) so it does not negatively impact detail on faces.

Can only hope for a firmware update for that
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post #81 of 3775
8/27/08 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by itguycincinnati View Post

How narrow is the "quite narrow angle of view horizontally before color desaturation begins to take place"? How does it look at say 45 degrees? Is it that the colors seem more faded when viewing from these angles? How would that compare to other LCDs?

Sorry for so many questions... obviously this is a small concern of mine based on my possible room logistics.

Horizontal viewing for 45*, you would be laying on the floor, surely?
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post #82 of 3775
8/27/08 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by itguycincinnati View Post

How narrow is the "quite narrow angle of view horizontally before color desaturation begins to take place"? How does it look at say 45 degrees? Is it that the colors seem more faded when viewing from these angles? How would that compare to other LCDs?

Sorry for so many questions... obviously this is a small concern of mine based on my possible room logistics.

No problem itguy, I will try to quantify this when I get home. At 45 degrees I'm quite sure the effect is quite pronounced. For what it's worth, I will compare with my Westinghouse.
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post #83 of 3775
8/27/08 at 1:25pm
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Originally Posted by itguycincinnati View Post

How narrow is the "quite narrow angle of view horizontally before color desaturation begins to take place"? How does it look at say 45 degrees? Is it that the colors seem more faded when viewing from these angles? How would that compare to other LCDs?

And an issue as the base doesn't swivel...!
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post #84 of 3775
8/27/08 at 1:27pm
what firmware are on these bad boys.
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post #85 of 3775
8/27/08 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by Robin View Post

No problem itguy, I will try to quantify this when I get home. At 45 degrees I'm quite sure the effect is quite pronounced. For what it's worth, I will compare with my Westinghouse.

A Westinghouse is mostly Sony components!!
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post #86 of 3775
8/27/08 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by berthman View Post

Horizontal viewing for 45*, you would be laying on the floor, surely?

Laying on the floor does change the image. I just tried it.... 45 degrees is more than enough to see it.

I am pretty lucky I have a narrow room

But, we often lay on the floor to watch movies...this is a bit of a bummer.

On a good note, Baseball game looked good. Very surprised. Dirt looked more like dirt than 'clay'. Skin tone wasn't as bad as I expected (don't forget, I'm coming from plasma).

Had some great blacks on a show from Discovery channel. just a glowing object moving accross the screen.

Oh, you can't tell the difference between the black, the edges of the screen and the wall when it is dark...this thing gets BLACK w/o issues (well, except for blooming) LOL
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post #87 of 3775
8/28/08 at 12:39am
how do you guys think this set compares to a 650 overall?

that set is simply gorgeous (650). i'm a bit concerned with posts like "westinghouse set looks better until smart led is turned off) smart led is the reason for this set!!

i'm now contemplating a 650 instead, but they don't come 55! damn!!!!!

is it worth it just for the bigger size?
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post #88 of 3775
8/28/08 at 12:55am
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Originally Posted by muahman View Post

Where are you guys finding this set?!?!? I hit up all the online retailers I usually shop at, BB, CC, etc. I can't find this thing anywhere. Not even Big River.

spoke with a bb rep in sf area. he was able to look up the 950 55" with a little coaxing. none were ordered for the store but can be specially ordered as the main warehouse carried a limited number. smaller sizes were ordered for the store but weren't in yet.

if i were to buy it would be from bb instead of cp because of the return policy. cp doesn't guarantee no dead pixels and charges a steep restocking fee if you return it for that reason. i'll not pay 4k to live with dead pixels, no way, no how, never.
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post #89 of 3775
8/28/08 at 4:37am
which firmware do you guys have:

How to check firmware version

Using your remote: MENU Button > Setup > SW Upgrade. With "SW Upgrade" highlighted, click on the INFO Button.
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post #90 of 3775
8/28/08 at 5:27am
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Originally Posted by bosng View Post


if i were to buy it would be from bb instead of cp because of the return policy. cp doesn't guarantee no dead pixels and charges a steep restocking fee if you return it for that reason. i'll not pay 4k to live with dead pixels, no way, no how, never.


Don't know who CP is but this is where your credit card company comes into play. You simply notify CP or whoever that the TV is damaged and they can take it up with the credit card company because you're not paying the bill..end of story. They can choose to eat the re-stocking fee...or they can choose to eat the full 4K...it's up to them at that point.
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