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If you were a Denon AVR-1909, what speakers would you like best?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Hi Guys.

I’m about to purchase the Denon AVR 1909 and I wondered if I could have some advice to which speakers would best match the AVR.

I currently own : Yamaha NS-P110 6.1 Speaker Package(Currently with my Sony STR-DB790)

Firstly, id like to specifically ask:

1- Will my current speakers hold back the 1909. I have heard good reviews for my speakers, however they are now selling for just 70 Pounds in the UK!?:god:

2- Since I already own a 6.1 Set. Can I keep the Surrounds and invest my EUR 500 in a 3.1 Set of better quality (who thinks this is the best option?)

I have read several threads searching for ‘Budget’ and ‘Budget 5.1’ and understand the best way to know what you want is by arranging a demo.

I would love to get a Demo of each of these speakers, however that is impossible...

I’m just looking for peoples opinions based upon my budget of EUR 500. At least then I can see if I can demo a few. It is also of preference that I will be able to add 2 Surround speakers for each of these sets individually in the future (for 7.1)

Components:

HTPC with a 3850 Radeon DVI-HDMI (For Games, DVD's, HDDVDs and Bluray Discs) (Using 7.1 Analogue Outs currently for Audio, but in the future using HDMI for bitstream)
PS3 (Blu Ray And Games)
PS2 (Games)
SD or HD Tuner in the future

Priorities %

30 Music, 30 Games, 40 Movies

My Shortlist:

Infinity Beta HCS (EUR 421)

Mordaunt-Short Premiere (EUR 450)

Mordaunt-Short Genie (EUR 550)

JBL CS 680 (EUR 317.00)

Wharfedale Diamond 9 HCP (EUR 579 – Stretching my budget a bit )

Kef KHT 2005.2 – Can Get a Really Good Price (EUR399)

Mordaunt-Short Carnival – Can get a really Good Price (EUR275)

Finally, id like to add that im currently living in the Netherlands (Brittish Expat ) and therefore, much to my disappointment cannot get hold of the following Speakers:

1- Quad Lites ( I really wanted to stretch my budget to get these, but in the Netherlands, they still sell for 1300 EUR.)
2- Acoustic Energy (UK based company, absolutely no Distrubution to the Netherlands, cannot find e-bay sellers that will ship here )
3- Q Acoustics 1010i (Again UK based company, cannot find any dealers in the Netherlands )

Many thanks for your time and recommendations.

~Dodge
post #2 of 14
Well, if it were me, I guess I would hook-up my present speakers and see how I liked the sound. As long as you've already got speakers, use them, and take your time finding some good replacements.

At this point, the best solution for you might be to listen to any on your list that you can, then report back here, and tell us what type of sound/speaker you like. By knowing what appeals to you, others here may have compared similar speakers and be in a better position to reccommend some of your choices that you aren't in a position to hear.

Since you're in Amsterdam, you might want to consider looking at Jamo. I've heard some of their speakers and they are very decent.

Good luck!
post #3 of 14
I just got these and I have the Denon 1909 and they sound Great, I found this thread and went with them and couldn't be happier!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=990726

Didn't notice that you where not here in the states, don't know if you can them?
post #4 of 14
The Energy 5.1 Take Classic Home Entertainment System. It can be had on Amazon for $599 which includes five speakers and a 200w sub. This system has received a lot of great reviews. I also like the PSB and Paradigm speakers. They both have a nice entry level system.
post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by fvbounty View Post

I just got these and I have the Denon 1909 and they sound Great, I found this thread and went with them and couldn't be happier!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=990726

Didn't notice that you where not here in the states, don't know if you can them?

Sadly no, they only distribute in North America...

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Originally Posted by DogEarz View Post

At this point, the best solution for you might be to listen to any on your list that you can, then report back here, and tell us what type of sound/speaker you like. By knowing what appeals to you, others here may have compared similar speakers and be in a better position to reccommend some of your choices that you aren't in a position to hear.

Since you're in Amsterdam, you might want to consider looking at Jamo. I've heard some of their speakers and they are very decent.

The problem is, its very hard to find a store who demos all the speakers mentioned. Its hard enough for instance to find Wharfedale speakers on the internet, let alone in store!
In store, you can pretty much only demo older AVR's as well.

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The Energy 5.1 Take Classic Home Entertainment System. It can be had on Amazon for $599 which includes five speakers and a 200w sub. This system has received a lot of great reviews. I also like the PSB and Paradigm speakers. They both have a nice entry level system.

Sadly i cannot find PSB and Paradigm speakers as well, the choice is very limited in the Netherlands In addition to this the Energy 5.1 Take Classic system reails for 699 Euro over here! Not exactly a fair price when you compare the American Dollar price!!
post #6 of 14
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post #7 of 14
Look Dodge.... no one is going to be able to TELL you which speaker is going to sound the best to you hooked up to your 1909. Only you and your ears can determine that.

Why don't you actually audition what IS available in your price range in the Netherlands rather than fretting over what someone here may like that isn't available to you? Surely there are MANY brands available to you in your price range over there....

Good luck.

post #8 of 14
Hmm, well it sounds like you've got your work cut out for you. You have a pretty decent list of options, but yet it appears you can't listen to any of them. Let's start with; what speakers are available for you to listen to? Are you in a position to audition any of the speakers you have listed, or are you planning your purchase on what people here reccommend and then buying them over the internet?

You may not be in a position to audition all of the speakers on your list, but you need to start somewhere. Find the ones you can and let us know what you think of those. Based on your likes and dislikes, it will be easier for us to reccommend other speakers you may like. You probably won't find one store that carries all of the speakers on your list and you may have to visit several shops.

You know, you may have more success in your search if you start another thread titled, "help find speakers in the Netherlands".
post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys, i actually went out and managed to listen (im in the UK visiting family atm) to the Q Acoustics 5.1 system. It was amazing, but two channel music using just the two bookshelf fronts was lacking bass (of course in the store they didnt have the SUB on). I also listened the the mordaunt short premiers, but only with a stereo and music.

So far im looking for speakers like the Q acoustics, very toned and balanced audio for movies, but maybe some more two chanel (2.0) bass. The guy also mentioned its worth Bi amping the two fronts that i use, even with bookshelf speakers such as the mordaunts. Although he was a stereo purist . The Q accoustics however beat the mordaunts to a pulp!

I also asked about the availability and it turns out that the wharfdales only seem to be available in stereo and not 5.1 (although i can get the 5.1 setup very cheap online) so i really cannot compare them. Also, the other speakers i mentioned are not available to demo (they are carried by stores without a demo room in the UK). All in all, one store rated the mordaunts(who didnt carry Q accoustics) and the other rated the q accoustics who didnt carry the mordaunts! All in all, even the Q accoustics i heard with music on a Onkyo 506 sounded better than that of the Mordaunts on a cambridge audo strereo amp!

As it stands, i may well be able to find a way of importing the q accoustics, however id like something that sounded more natural in music, but not a sacrafice in movies. The guy in the store suggested that i go for a Front LRC system and keep my SW and surrounds. Later i could then move the front bookshelfs to the back in favor of floorstanders (when i have a bigger room). I still would however to get the full 5.1 setup though What do you think? My room at the moment is 7 foot in length ?(surrounds to fronts) and i really dont have the room for floorstanders yet.

Any bookshelfs better than the q acoustics?
post #10 of 14
Hi Dodge, I don't know how much help I can be. I went to the MS & Warfdale links to look for dealers near me that I could go and at least see/hear a couple of your options. The closest MS dealer is 5 hours from me, and I could not even find a Warfdale dealer anywhere near me. So much for that.

But, this may help, my speaker system is a British brand, Bowers & Wilkens (B&W). I have 602 S2 for my mains, LCR60 S3, & 600 S3 for surrounds. If you have the opportunity to listen to them, or if you are familiar with them, it would go a long way toward helping me understand what you are looking for in a speaker.

It's good to see that you were finally able to audition something! I've never heard of the Q accoustics, but I'm glad you liked them. The dealer had some very good advise for you. You can definitely use your existing speakers for surround duty. That would allow you to put your funds into some very good main speakers. If I were you, I would hook up the Sony's for the time being and take my time finding some really good replacements. You're in a very good position, you already have speakers and that allows you the luxury of being able to listen to music and watch movies while you are looking for better speakers. As for bi-wiring, that's up for debate. Some people swear it makes a difference. Having tried it, I didn't really notice any improvement.

Quadriverfalls had some good avise as well, there are probably many brands available in the Netherlands that we have never heard of nor will we have any opportunity to find here in the US. When you get back home, explore Amsterdam and discover any hidden jewels that none of us here know of. As I mentioned, Jamo produces some great speakers, maybe you can find them there.

You really should consider starting a new thread. The title of this one is just too generic and isn't getting much attention. Start a new thread and state in the title that you are looking for help finding speakers in the Netherlands.

Hope this helps!
post #11 of 14
Hi. Funny how people end up making choices...I bought the AVR 1909, also live in Amsterdam, had almost the same shortlist of speakers and listened to the Q Acoustics 1010i at RuadHifi in Amsterdam (as did you I guess).

And...bought them. Now am looking for center (most likely same brand) and sub (not very likely).

Q Acoustics baffled me, best choice for size, looks, quality (open it up!) combined with excellent honoust sound, not too warm, not too cold.

BTW: I also listened to the Mordaunt Short sets you mentioned (RAF) in combo with our Denon and would strongly advise againts them; Warm on warm sounds..... And in the same store the KEF 2005.2: far too cold! The Q Acoustics stick perfectly in the middle.
post #12 of 14
I currently have the Denon 1906 which I'm using to drive my Wharfedale Diamond 5.1 system. I have the Diamond 9.1 in the front, Diamond 9.cc for the center and the WH-2 for the surrounds. The SW150 rounds out the .1 in my 5.1 system. I really like the smooth, clear sound. I ordered the Denon 1909 which is in the hands of UPS as I write this. Hopefully I'll be able to let you know in just a few days how the Wharfedales sound driven by the 1909.
post #13 of 14
Mediamarkt carries the Q Acoustics 1010i. I saw them in a store in The Hague. I compared them with a set of Bose for 160 EUR more and the QA were clearly better. The Bose sounded like they were in a huge room - a weird echo like empty feeling. The QA were bright but clear, and didn't distort even at high volumes. I was very impressed and plan to buy a set when I get a pj in July.
post #14 of 14
I was always curious about these, although they mabe only availible in the us I see no EUR currency listing, and white van companies have been making forgeries of this brand of speakers, so only order direct from the MFG not Ebay. (that last bit was a warning)

http://www.streemspeakers.com/ht-808.asp
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