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post #241 of 511
Just bought a 58pz850. Absolutely blown away. I've purchased somewhere around 10 HD sets over the past 3 years for home and office. Including very recent LCDs from Sony (xbr6) and Samsung (a750) and a 1080p Panasonic Pro Plasma.

Very very happy with the 58pz850.

Thinking about buying my Dad one as a gift. I put him through the ringer as a teen so he deserves it.

BUT. He has been in the oversized land of rear projection since the 70s. So, would like to consider the 65pz850.

I understand it is of the same "line". But curious how it compares to the 58. Is the panel as good, has the same characteristics, is anything lost in the scaling up, is anything PERCEIVED to be lost?

Some model's big brothers end up being more like kissing cousins and in some sets I have noticed that they have a sweet size...the 46" may be good but the 52" is different. Etc.

My other choice would be the Samsung 63a760.

but the 58pz850 I am staring at is very very sweet

Thoughts

Chris Magid
RTVF
post #242 of 511
Thread Starter 
65 is just a bigger 58 for the most part. I think your dad would be happy with either set.
post #243 of 511
Have a complaint. The 58pz850 manual shipped with the product doesn't go into much depth. It is ok. But wondering if there is another, more in depth, tech manual available. Not a service manual.

chris_rtvf
post #244 of 511
Hey guys. Just thought id share my mounting craziness with the 65PZ850U yesterday. First and foremost, thanks to Chris for exceptional service. Always there for help/advice. You have yet another satisfied client, and I assure you most of my future business, if not all. I've all ready forwarded your info to a few of my friends who plan on ordering from you as well. Anyhow back to my mounting story.

So I picked up the Peerless ST680P from the advice of Chris because it doesn't need any additional adapters to mount the GINORMOUS 65PZ850U. So we slap the mounting plate on the wall and catch 3 studs which the mount is designed to do and we hung it, UNFORTUNATELY, the placing of the 3 studs i was able to catch did not center me over my fireplace, it was off about 3 inches, which just didn't look right over my mantel.

So we took it down, and figured we would just catch 2 studs and it would still hold without a problem. So we re slap the plate on 2 studs and hung it, wow we centered it !!! YAY!!! UNFORTUNATELY we take a look from the side, and because of the stud placement, yet again, one side of the plate was coming off the wall because there was too much plate on one side without a bolt and the weight was forcing it away from the wall. **** NOW WHAT !!!! I NEEED THIS TV UP AND RUNNING FOR THE SEC GAME !!!! PLEASE DAMNIT !! So at this point i'm well pissed, there's holes all over my brand new house, my TV is not on the wall, WHY ME??

So my dad walks in and digests the situation, right away, his answer - cut that son of a bitch plate in half, you'll grab 2 studs with one side, 2 with the other, and it will be better and stronger than what it's supposed to do in the first place. I was like HELL NO old man, are you crazy, I walk outside to try and call around to find another compatible mount and what the hell do I hear, yes, i think that's a saw, I walk in and my dad had them cut it, I said you know what, just do it, and if it crashes, I'll happily let you pay for another one.

So it was cut, they mounted the plates, each one caught 2 studs, so now 4 total, it was perfectly level, stronger then hell. Perfectly centered, I sat down looked up, and tears started flow like the niagra......ya not really but it was beautiful, i was speechless, and JESUS CHRIST is it enormous. I must sometimes we fail to realize the integrity of our old men. MUCHO PROPS TO MY POPS.

I ran a Nordost HDMI cable which is wellllll worth it, picture clarity is amazing, HD is SICK ! WOW! WOW! WOW! Couldn't be happier.

THANKS CLEVELAND PLASMA! AND THANKS TO ALL THE HELP FROM ALL YOU FORUMERS!

NOW IF YOU DON'T MIND ME AND THE BOYS HAVE A KEG TO FLOAT.

GO BAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
post #245 of 511
Where there's a will, there's a way!!! You're going to love this set, good job!!
post #246 of 511
Hi all, i have notices some colour banding on my Uk model 65pz800b. I can clearly see it at the begining of the blu ray version of Gladiator right at the begining when you get the history text with a smoky background. It is the smokey background that is producing the colour banding. Can anyone confirm it happens on their sets? Or is this a fault?

On Cinema mode btw.
post #247 of 511
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Originally Posted by ludoo143 View Post

..THANKS CLEVELAND PLASMA! AND THANKS TO ALL THE HELP FROM ALL YOU FORUMERS! GO BAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

congrats on your new panny. Glad Chris took good care of you.

Sorry your tide got chomped on by the Florida Gators.
post #248 of 511
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Originally Posted by deadsquirrel View Post

Hi all, i have notices some colour banding on my Uk model 65pz800b. I can clearly see it at the begining of the blu ray version of Gladiator right at the begining when you get the history text with a smoky background. It is the smokey background that is producing the colour banding. Can anyone confirm it happens on their sets? Or is this a fault?

On Cinema mode btw.

Yes banding is still an issue with today's displays anyway of how you slice it. One reason is that the color grid is still 10-bit to 18-bit. Once we hit 24-bit grid we should start to see smoother color grid to eliminate banding.

Take a look at the example below:



Chris
post #249 of 511
Thanks Chris. At least its not a fault, so not too bothered. Funnily enough, i see it more on 1080p content then on normal DVDs. Probably due to the fact that the lower quality images do a better job of hiding the banding.
post #250 of 511
That example doesn't seem to apply. I am pretty sure that the first two are actually 8 bit color (i.e 256 possible colors) while the last one is 24 bit color (over a million colors). Today's televisions and digital signals have 8 bit per color channel at least, meaning 24 bit color at least. So they should be capable of gradients like in the last example. Actually most probably have 10 bit or 12 bit or more. Meaning 30bit or 36bit color.
post #251 of 511
I just got my 65PZ850U (to replace the Sharp 65SE94U - couldn't stand the motion blurness while watching sports). The Invoice says 65PZ850 but the TV says 65PZ850U. Sorry if this has been brought up but what does the "U" mean at the end as I see both models on the web.
post #252 of 511
^^^

The "U" means "USA".
post #253 of 511
Thread Starter 
Some dealers do not include all the extra numbers and letters at the end.
post #254 of 511
damn Im about to drop the $ on this, I but I have a 2yr old boy in the house.
how is the panel when it comes to children? I saw a video on the professional series and they hit the screen with a steel ball, but since this is a consumer grade is the screen a lot less durable?
post #255 of 511
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Originally Posted by Hobster View Post

I just got my 65PZ850U (to replace the Sharp 65SE94U - couldn't stand the motion blurness while watching sports). The Invoice says 65PZ850 but the TV says 65PZ850U. Sorry if this has been brought up but what does the "U" mean at the end as I see both models on the web.

I have both the Sharp 65SE94U and the Panasonic65PZ850U. If you just turn off the extra feature on the Sharp that causes this problem you are good to go. I forget the setting. But it was an easy fix. Did it my first day after watching a football game.
On the flip side the Panny is a great tv. I got the SHarp for living room because of all the windows. The Panny for the Home Theater (no windows). Only two days into its breakin (Panny), but the richness of colors is amazing.

If I had the choice I would have two of the Panasonics over the Sharp, but the Sharp is still a great LCD TV. The thing is I am starting to become more in love with the PLasma colors reproduction than I am with the LCD pop.

Good luck with your new Plasma.
post #256 of 511
Quote:
Originally Posted by ludoo143 View Post

Hey guys. Just thought id share my mounting craziness with the 65PZ850U yesterday. First and foremost, thanks to Chris for exceptional service. Always there for help/advice. You have yet another satisfied client, and I assure you most of my future business, if not all. I've all ready forwarded your info to a few of my friends who plan on ordering from you as well. Anyhow back to my mounting story.

So I picked up the Peerless ST680P from the advice of Chris because it doesn't need any additional adapters to mount the GINORMOUS 65PZ850U. So we slap the mounting plate on the wall and catch 3 studs which the mount is designed to do and we hung it, UNFORTUNATELY, the placing of the 3 studs i was able to catch did not center me over my fireplace, it was off about 3 inches, which just didn't look right over my mantel.

So we took it down, and figured we would just catch 2 studs and it would still hold without a problem. So we re slap the plate on 2 studs and hung it, wow we centered it !!! YAY!!! UNFORTUNATELY we take a look from the side, and because of the stud placement, yet again, one side of the plate was coming off the wall because there was too much plate on one side without a bolt and the weight was forcing it away from the wall. **** NOW WHAT !!!! I NEEED THIS TV UP AND RUNNING FOR THE SEC GAME !!!! PLEASE DAMNIT !! So at this point i'm well pissed, there's holes all over my brand new house, my TV is not on the wall, WHY ME??

So my dad walks in and digests the situation, right away, his answer - cut that son of a bitch plate in half, you'll grab 2 studs with one side, 2 with the other, and it will be better and stronger than what it's supposed to do in the first place. I was like HELL NO old man, are you crazy, I walk outside to try and call around to find another compatible mount and what the hell do I hear, yes, i think that's a saw, I walk in and my dad had them cut it, I said you know what, just do it, and if it crashes, I'll happily let you pay for another one.

So it was cut, they mounted the plates, each one caught 2 studs, so now 4 total, it was perfectly level, stronger then hell. Perfectly centered, I sat down looked up, and tears started flow like the niagra......ya not really but it was beautiful, i was speechless, and JESUS CHRIST is it enormous. I must sometimes we fail to realize the integrity of our old men. MUCHO PROPS TO MY POPS.

I ran a Nordost HDMI cable which is wellllll worth it, picture clarity is amazing, HD is SICK ! WOW! WOW! WOW! Couldn't be happier.

THANKS CLEVELAND PLASMA! AND THANKS TO ALL THE HELP FROM ALL YOU FORUMERS!

NOW IF YOU DON'T MIND ME AND THE BOYS HAVE A KEG TO FLOAT.

GO BAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Too funny! And similar to my experience. But we chose to string a 2x4 across the studs, bolted thricely and then mounted the plate to the horizontal stud. It's only temporary until the cabinet maker finishes the wall unit but works like a charm.
Kudos to your Pops. Just remember, our kids watch when we blow the old guys off...someday it'll be our turn.
And yes, the picture DOES bring tears to one's eyes.
post #257 of 511
First time poster here. I've been reading the forums incessantly over the last several days, trying to decide between the Sharp Aquos 94u and the Panasonic 850 to replace my nine year old Mits WS-65907. The pendulum stopped on the 65" Panny. I've located one at a good price and am about to pull the trigger. I guess in a way I already have, as I ordered a TY ST65R2-WG stand for it last night! The info. earlier in this thread regarding stands saved me $400+ and brought 850 within the realm of affordability.

I'm not sure when the new set will arrive (the Mits needs to be sold first), but possibly as soon as the end of next week. I'm sure I'll be back probing for info. when it does. Until then...
post #258 of 511
Thread Starter 
Congards, and I am glad I could help save you that cash on the stand with us having the oppertunity to see if that stand works.
We only have 2 of those stands left, then we have to buy the expensive ones.
post #259 of 511
A couple of quick answers needed if the groupd would be so kind to oblige...

1) where is the 65pz850u assembled? (Japan/USA/Mexico)
2) while I have read that the stand for the 750 fits the 850...is there a actual difference between the stand 's exterior design? A picture of them would be appreciated.
3) in the earlier posts...from awhile back, the 'flicker' issue of the 48hz refresh rates on 24fps material and the subsequent rumor about the factory upgrading the software (hence the shortage of units for sale), are these already taken care of today or are some issues still outstanding?

Thanks in advance.
post #260 of 511
Thread Starter 
1---Mexico
2---Very minor differeneces.
3---I have not gotten any complaints on the 65" we have sold.
post #261 of 511
What is the overall height of the 65pz850u on the R2 (750) stand?
Can somebody do a quick measurement please?

Thanks!
post #262 of 511
Hey, all you flat panel gurus,

I'm a newbie, but I've paid my dues (somewhat) by reading through a LOT of your forums. It's been VERY interesting, along with some of the other stuff I've read elsewhere. FWIW, this is the best of all the forums out there...but you know that!

I really appreciate all the work, devotion and intelligence that each of you have contributed to this avocation. However, I do have a few questions for you that I hope you haven't addressed elsewhere (I'm still not yet totally oriented on AVS):

1. I've also been reading the reviews on CNET. What is your general opinion about the accuracy of their reviews? For example, is it true that the larger Samsungs (58" and 63") are not nearly as good as the smaller ones, as claimed in the CNET reviews? I saw the 58A650 at BB last night, and it was clearly one of the worst pictures in their home theater section, IMHO, although I do understand (sort of) what you guys are saying about the way the stores set them up differently. My son was really sold on the 50" Samsung (good CNET reviews, too), and I have to admit it looks great to my very untrained eyes. Incidentally, the calibrated Sharp LC65D640 looked VERY good by comparison, but then they were also promoting their add-on calibration services, and even the sales person said that I shouldn't be fooled and should avoid the Sharp AND the LCDs (He was pushing the 60" Pioneer).

2. As of today, it seems like prices are falling on the good stuff, like the 65" Panasonic and the 60" Pioneer. Will this continue in the short term, especially over the next few weeks (when the post-holiday reality sets in for the stores)? In general, what's the best time of year to buy?

3. It seems like many of you are very happy with on-line merchants, like CP, but it also seems like most of the talk is about BB (...or is that just for viewing, not buying?). What's the concensus, or is there one, about buying locally versus buying on-line?

4. Similarly, does everyone go with the extended warranties (Mack or whatever)?

5. Finally, and most importantly, it looks like the 65" Panasonic TH-65PZ850U can be bought on-line today for 5356, including the separate Panasonic stand and including shipping; and the 60" Pioneer Elite Pro-151FD is now 5250 "delivered" by at least one on-line merchant. If the price is the essentially the same, which way would you go, BIG (per Chris' calculations) or best (perhaps arguably)?

Thanks again for all you do...and best wishes to each of you for a happy holiday season.

Lynn
post #263 of 511
Guys, I am the very happy owner of a TH-58PX600U, but you know how it is, after 2 yrs the upgrade bug is bitting.

Will the money spent for the 65pz850u be worth it? Will I see a significant improvement? I mean my 58px600u has an absolutely stunning picture (and Ive had it for 2 yrs)

Do you guys think that it will be THAT much better or should I wait till the next gen comes around in 2010
post #264 of 511
I can't believe it but I finally have one of the TV's on its way. Now comes the hard part, wall mounting! The catch is that I have a recessed space which was designed for the TV. The opening is 65" by 43", and it is 10 inches deep. There are three studs on the back wall of the space. I am concerned given the tightness of the space that I will be able to properly attach the TV to the mount - looks like I will have 1.5" in the horizontal to spare and about 3.5" in the vertical. Doesn't seem too much to work with. I would use a stand, but it looks like all of them are around 15" depth, which I don't have.
I see Chief makes a double articulated arm mount, but it's super expensive. They also have a tilting mount Chief PLP 2457, which is a lot less. Of the Chief, Sanus, or Peerless mounts that work for this size TV, is there one that will be easier to install in a relatively tight space (attaching to all 3 studs also seems desirable)? Any suggestions?
post #265 of 511
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Originally Posted by tds1 View Post

I can't believe it but I finally have one of the TV's on its way. Now comes the hard part, wall mounting! The catch is that I have a recessed space which was designed for the TV. The opening is 65" by 43", and it is 10 inches deep. There are three studs on the back wall of the space. I am concerned given the tightness of the space that I will be able to properly attach the TV to the mount - looks like I will have 1.5" in the horizontal to spare and about 3.5" in the vertical. Doesn't seem too much to work with. I would use a stand, but it looks like all of them are around 15" depth, which I don't have.
I see Chief makes a double articulated arm mount, but it's super expensive. They also have a tilting mount Chief PLP 2457, which is a lot less. Of the Chief, Sanus, or Peerless mounts that work for this size TV, is there one that will be easier to install in a relatively tight space (attaching to all 3 studs also seems desirable)? Any suggestions?

Is the recessed space you have off the floor or up on the wall? With the peerless st680 mount the front of the set is 7inches from the wall so it sounds like with a wall mount your set, the front glass, would still be 3 inches in the space. Might be hard to reach behind to make wiring adjustment after it's wall mounted.
post #266 of 511
Thread Starter 
Peerless SA-760P
Peerless PLP-PAN65 ( Adapter Plate )

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post #267 of 511
Thanks to Jagmonster and Cleveland Plasma for the responses. Jagmonster, I think you are right that having the tv recessed 3 inches in the space won't look as good as an articulated mount will. The TV is in a recessed space about 30" off the floor. The fixed mounts seem to have the advantage that some span 3 studs, but hopefully 2 with the articulated mount will be adequate.

Cleveland Plasma,
My space is 65 inches wide, and the TV is 63". Stud locations if I used the Peerless SA-760P in my recessed space are at 31" and 47". So ideal center of the screen would be at 32.5". Center of Peerless plate will be 39" (A difference of 6.5"). It looks like from the Peerless instructions that you can have up to 7.75" of Horizontal shift, so I should be fine (barely) centering the screen with this mount in the recessed space, correct?
One other question. The Chief double articulated mounts are almost 3 times the price. Is Peerless a reasonable quality choice or do I need to spend the extra $$$ to get the Chief articulated mount?
post #268 of 511
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Originally Posted by tds1 View Post

The Chief double articulated mounts are almost 3 times the price. Is Peerless a reasonable quality choice or do I need to spend the extra $$$ to get the Chief articulated mount?

I have the SA-760P and the quality is outstanding. You can literally, glide the mount with a touch of hand. It articulates from left to right very smoothly. It is not meant for low profile by no means. You will be impressed with the mount. No need to spend 3 times the cost for a Chief.

Chris
post #269 of 511
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tds1 View Post

Cleveland Plasma,
My space is 65 inches wide, and the TV is 63". Stud locations if I used the Peerless SA-760P in my recessed space are at 31" and 47". So ideal center of the screen would be at 32.5". Center of Peerless plate will be 39" (A difference of 6.5"). It looks like from the Peerless instructions that you can have up to 7.75" of Horizontal shift, so I should be fine (barely) centering the screen with this mount in the recessed space, correct?
One other question. The Chief double articulated mounts are almost 3 times the price. Is Peerless a reasonable quality choice or do I need to spend the extra $$$ to get the Chief articulated mount?

Cheif and Sanus are the same company All mounts are about the same overall as long as you are not buying junk. In a worst case you may have to do as I did in this install as the studs where not where I needed them
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post #270 of 511
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Cheif and Sanus are the same company All mounts are about the same overall as long as you are not buying junk. In a worst case you may have to do as I did in this install as the studs where not where I needed them

Thanks for the advice. I have contacted a couple of installers by phone and one was concerned about using an articulated amount with a plasma this heavy. Probably just his way of saying, don't blame me if it fails - but I did think about it some. I can understand that the farther the articulated mount is pulled out, the more stress on the wall vs a low profile mount. But since the recessed space is only 10 inches, the articulated mount would only be extended a little, so I wouldn't think the wall stress would be that much greater than a standard mount. Course it would be mighty embarassing (and $$$) if something happened.

So - Last question- Would there be any benefit to adding a steel bar above and below the Peerless mount that spanned 3 studs? It wouldn't interfere with the mount at all and might add additional wall support. It would also never be visible. Or is this just paranoia? The other option is placing the mount so that the plasma sits at the bottom of the recessed space. That way the TV is partially supported by the mount and partially supported by the base of the recessed space. If I did that, there would be about 3.5" open space at the top of the recessed space, but I could easily add a piece of trim molding to cover it.
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