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post #61 of 2398
5003 vs. 6003

Went to the Marantz site and besides 10 watts per channel, an extra HDMI output, and a different remote control, can anyone articulate any other differences to justify the $300 premium of the 6003?
post #62 of 2398
The SR6003 has a built-in USB port allowing direct connection with an HDD or flash drive. Not sure what else differs. I'm anxiously waiting for more reviews of the 5003 and 6003.
post #63 of 2398
My mini review of the SR5003:

The OSd is not fancy, but serviceable. I'd give it a B- or so as it's not pretty but I didn't have to read the manual to figure it out. Goes through the HDMI as said before and interrupts the source video, although not the audio.

Impressions as to actual performance are very good. I went from an Onkyo receiver and this one is in another class in every way. The sound quality is good enough that I actually am using it to listen to music some now. I use Epos M12.2s for the front channels and an EPOS ELS center channel BTW. Back channels are smallish Cambridge Soundworks speakers (not cubes though) Uncompressed iPod files sound quite acceptable and I just tried out a SACD though my Toshiba HD-DVD player and the 5.1 mix was the a pretty natural sounding presentation. Tonally the Marantz is balanced, reasonably dynamic, and detailed though not bright.

The Audyssey setup is a joke BTW. Great in theory but I've had to custom adjust each and every channel (I have a 7.1 setup) but it's really not very hard to do with the built in test tones and the OSD- as well as a couple of tweaks applied as I listened/watched various DVDs. At this point (after 2 weeks) I doubt I will have to do much more to it. I might make some custom settings for movies vs music. For a CD or iPod though I always use the Direct mode which kills all circuitry except primary stereo and bypasses all processing.

Just for reference my primary stereo "music" system is a Krell KAV400xi integrated, Pro-Ac Response 2.5 full-range towers, and I mostly listen to vinyl through a Well-Tempered turntable.

EDIT: I just realized I did not mention movie sound, which actually is my primary reason for own a receiver like this! So, in short, it's great with film content. Music is much more spacious, has natural tonality, and effect better mixed in. I especially like that I immediately noticed less "speaker" or just heard sound. In my mind if I can hear which speaker a sound/voice/instrument is coming from, then the system is not working like it should. The 5003 is excellent in this regard. Bass management seems better too. Again, I want to hear solid bass, but not a subwoofer.

It supports Dolby True HD content so HD-DVDs and BluRay get to pull out all the stops. But even standard DVDs sound much better so it's good all around.
post #64 of 2398
dbowker3D :

Are you able to let the 5003 pass through 1080/24p signals via HDMI?

This is needed for smooth playback of movie material on 24p supporting TVs...
post #65 of 2398
Yes- it fully supports 1080i pass-through of the video signal. Very nice playback, although no better than a direct connection obviously. My main concern was that it didn't ADD any noise, which it doesn't as far as I can tell.
post #66 of 2398
Can anyone with a 6003 comment on the warm Marantz sound? Does it sound the same as the xx02 receivers? I chose Marantz because I liked that warmer sound compared to Pioneer, Yamaha and Denon. But the showroom did not have the 6003 set up, so I judged it by the 5002 and 7002. I preferred those to the other brands. So I bought the 6003, sight unseen and unheard. Does it have that same warmth.
post #67 of 2398
What is an SR6001 Receiver? I saw one today at Coastco and its price was just $499.
post #68 of 2398
I was talking about 1080P in the 24 fps framerate, used for BD movies etc.

Are you able to set your player's output to 24p and have your TV displaying that framerate? (given that your player and TV supports that)
post #69 of 2398
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Originally Posted by esbenvb View Post

I was talking about 1080P in the 24 fps framerate, used for BD movies etc.

Are you able to set your player's output to 24p and have your TV displaying that framerate? (given that your player and TV supports that)

At least the 6003 is able to do that. I have it set up with PS3, Toshiba HD-EP35 and HTPC and all of them can output 1080@24, 1080@50 and 1080@60 which goes through the receiver to the projector. On the other HDMI-output I have a HD ready Samsung LCD and the Toshiba can detect the optimal resolution if I switch the output from projector to the TV whereas the PS3 and the HTPC (obviously) cannot.
post #70 of 2398
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Originally Posted by esbenvb View Post

I was talking about 1080P in the 24 fps frame rate, used for BD movies etc.

Are you able to set your player's output to 24p and have your TV displaying that frame rate? (given that your player and TV supports that)

Oh OK- Well, the 5003 spec says it supports this, and my player does too so as far as I know- Yes. But I have no easy way of knowing! Nothing actually is saying it's playing that way. That's also the odd thing about TrueHD sound- I have not actually found a display setting that actually says "this is what you are getting/playing." However, all things seem to be working properly and support the mode so I'm just trusting it's working. That and the fact that it does sound better too!

But I need to dig around a bit I guess to see if I can get a "spec." display or somehting to show me what's being used etc. That's on thing about most user manuals- no definitions of any of the 100 or so surround combinations and modes, no explanation as to how things pass through or are converted, etc. They need and Expert section, or at least a link to a PDF or something!
post #71 of 2398
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Originally Posted by lefty5432 View Post

Can anyone with a 6003 comment on the warm Marantz sound? Does it sound the same as the xx02 receivers? I chose Marantz because I liked that warmer sound compared to Pioneer, Yamaha and Denon. But the showroom did not have the 6003 set up, so I judged it by the 5002 and 7002. I preferred those to the other brands. So I bought the 6003, sight unseen and unheard. Does it have that same warmth.

Generally speaking, I've never heard of a manufacturer designing one amp markedly different than another in the same line. I think you are very safe to assume you will get the same warm/natural sound from the 6003 as the 5002.
post #72 of 2398
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Originally Posted by dbowker3D View Post

That's also the odd thing about TrueHD sound- I have not actually found a display setting that actually says "this is what you are getting/playing."

I'd expect it to be same with 5003 as with 6003, which has indicators for signal formats on the right side of the display. True HD for example is in the upper right corner and works perfectly with Toshiba's HD-EP35.
post #73 of 2398
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Originally Posted by dbowker3D View Post

I just tried out a SACD though my Toshiba HD-DVD player and the 5.1 mix was the a pretty natural sounding presentation.

This is a bit confusing statement, since I am not aware of any HD-DVD player having SACD support. They should be able to play the stereo layer though, so maybe that's what you heard and had some DSP mode on?
post #74 of 2398
You're right about that! Bummer. I saw that the Marantz played SACD multi-channel and since my last DVD player also played SACDs I mistakenly thought my Toshiba did too. That's too bad. Well, for a surround processing mode only, the Marantz did a much better job than I thought it would! Thanks for the correction though, as I was about to go buy a bunch of multi-channel SACDS!
post #75 of 2398
dbowker3D, are you saying the SR5003 does not handle the Audyssey setup very well or do you dislike Audyssey in general?
post #76 of 2398
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Originally Posted by Amped View Post

dbowker3D, are you saying the SR5003 does not handle the Audyssey setup very well or do you dislike Audyssey in general?

I have no previous experience with Audyssey, but when I had it do it's "thing" it set all speakers to 10' which is no where near correct. Plus it can't tell what kind of speaker you're using (like is it a limited range speaker or near full-range book shelf?). I ran it twice and got the same results so like I said I just did all myself. Since my speakers are all pretty optimally set on stands or wall mounted, it was really just a matter of correct distances and some minor tweaking for levels, then making sure I had good sub-woofer integration.

Maybe it'd work better for others, I don't know. It'd be fine for quick n dirty setup, but if you want things to truly blend seamlessly it's going to be by ear IMO.

Actually- that brings me to a question: What is the in-the-box Audyssey doing as opposed to true "room correction" setup and equalization. I assume that is not something you can get for free with a good but not real high-end receiver? I mean, ideally, the Audyssey sets up not just distances but actually analyzes the room itself and corrects for bass humps, standing waves and other reflection/absorption issues, right? That sounds way out of the league of what comes in the box. Right?
post #77 of 2398
In case someone is wondering, I'd say that having two HDMI outputs in the receiver is a most welcome addition. Even though the outputs don't operate simultaneously, it is very easy to select the output from the remote.

The USB media player which the 6003 has, is quite like all the media players in DVD players: nothing fancy but does what is expected. Unfortunately it can only replay a small set of audio files.
post #78 of 2398
Glad to see the reviews of the 5003 / 6003 are coming in. For those of you that have either of these units, could you review the video processing performance? The i-Chip processor (uncertain exact model no.) in these units has me worried due to lackluster performance reviews in Yamaha models, even the flagship, with abyssmal deinterlacing ability according to Home Theater's Kris Deering. Though some of these issues may be with Yamaha's implementation. Trying to compare with the Denon's Faroudja FLi, which received mixed reviews at best in this same article.
post #79 of 2398
One thing that might be worth mentioning, is that SR6003 (and the lower ones too presumably) does not scale HDMI inputs, but just passes the video through. This was a bit of a disappointment.
post #80 of 2398
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Originally Posted by phelin View Post

One thing that might be worth mentioning, is that SR6003 (and the lower ones too presumably) does not scale HDMI inputs, but just passes the video through. This was a bit of a disappointment.

Yes. It seems across the board at this price level there is no processing of HD signals.
post #81 of 2398
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Originally Posted by phelin View Post

One thing that might be worth mentioning, is that SR6003 (and the lower ones too presumably) does not scale HDMI inputs, but just passes the video through. This was a bit of a disappointment.

This is a plus for me, as I would expect my $2000 plasma TV to process the video well enough.

My problem is that the only local authorized Marantz dealer does not stock or demo any of the Marantz receivers.
post #82 of 2398
Hi all, this is my first post so be gentle.

I have a Marantz SR5300 that i have had for about 4 years, a new pioneer DV410 connected to a Pioneer 435 FDE that i have had for about 3 .5 years & a JBL 6.1 speaker set up that i have had for about a year.

Whilst watching the star wars films and with the amp set to AUTO i get good 5.1 surround sound through my system (the center rear channel does not work) but when i manually set to DD ES the sound from the sub is awfull and i still do not get the center rear channel to work. Any Ideas.

I would have posted in a relevant owners thread but this was the closest i could find. Thanks in advance.

Doogs
post #83 of 2398
OK I ment dolby digital EX ....oops
post #84 of 2398
Hi All, can anyone confirm that the SR5003 & SR6003 will recognize an ATI Card as HDMI Device & accept LPCM over HDMI from a HTPC? I'm asking this knowing that the DENON 1909 will not recognize the ATI Card as a HDMI Device, will be DVI only and can not do audio. Thanks in advance, Axell.
post #85 of 2398
Can anyone tell me if the front faceplate of the 5003 / 6003 is ALL metal or just the piece in the middle with the display / flip-down door. The wings are hard to tell from pictures if they are plastic or metal. It is amazing nowadays how much money can be spent on a receiver and still get crappy plastic faceplates.

Oh, and that i-Chips processor performance?
post #86 of 2398
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Originally Posted by AVRS View Post

Glad to see the reviews of the 5003 / 6003 are coming in. For those of you that have either of these units, could you review the video processing performance? The i-Chip processor (uncertain exact model no.) in these units has me worried due to lackluster performance reviews in Yamaha models, even the flagship, with abyssmal deinterlacing ability according to Home Theater's Kris Deering. Though some of these issues may be with Yamaha's implementation. Trying to compare with the Denon's Faroudja FLi, which received mixed reviews at best in this same article.

I've got my Wii running through component and going out over HDMI and I'm not that crazy about how it looks. The colors and the aspect ratio and everything are fine, but there are noticeably more jagged edges than my old Sony STR-DG910. It doesn't look bad by any means, and it's not a show stopper, but it's not as good as other receivers I've used.
post #87 of 2398
I'm seriously considering picking up a 5003 and selling my Pioneer 1018 that's currently being repaired. I never was overly thrilled with it for music and really wanted a Marantz to begin with, but the 7002 was too tall for where it would have to go. The 5003 would fit nicely.

My question is are there any "gotchas" with this unit? I know the xx02's had a few issues that have been corrected with a firmware upgrade, but the last thing I would want to do is buy another AVR and have to take it back to where that Pioneer is

Do these units play nice with the PS3? Any insights would be most appreciated.
post #88 of 2398
I realize this model isn't listed in the thread title, but anybody out there pick up a 4003? Are you happy with it? I'm looking for an upgrade from my sr-4400 to take advantage of the new higher rez sound formats. I've got a ps3 and Toshiba HD-a2 as sources, and I figure they should do the decoding, so as long as I can pass multi channel pcm then this receiver should fit the bill. I'm happy with my projector upscaling, so the receivers upscaling or lack ther of is not of concern to me.
post #89 of 2398
No gotchas with this one so far. Yep, for the price it's a true maverick of an AVR.

Seriously- as you can see from my reviews above I'm really very happy with it. I have continued to do a few minor tweaks here and there and it's been excellent of a range of DVD material as well as two-channel music material. I could not be happier for the price.
post #90 of 2398
I picked up a 5003 yesterday and right out of the box it sounds better than the Pioneer VSX-1018 it's replacing. I got a great deal at a local Big Box that had 'em in stock, so I couldn't resist.

I have a quick question. I have a 5.1 system and am using a PS3 for Blu-ray. I have it set to send pcm to the avr. It's connected via HDMI. Last night I put in a couple of BD's to check out the lossless sound. I know that the 5003 will not indicate DD True HD or DTS MA and it does display PCM, but I do not know what surround mode to set the AVR to. "Auto" wanted to set it to "stereo" which is not right and I'm not certain if the DD plus, Neo, etc. settings are correct either. Seems odd that "auto" wouldn't see multi-channel pcm and send it out to each speaker accordingly...I must be missing something and the manual - well it's not the best.
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