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post #121 of 833
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Originally Posted by tvted View Post

Jason,

Firstly, thanks for the effort and time.

A question or two.

You mention 16K:1 On/Off, any chance of native (sans Iris), or *is* that native? Crossing appedages.
I also thought the specs were 30K:1, your review states otherwise.


Your mention of sharpness: Is this with lens shift centred? Can you comment on CA with lens shift engaged?

Any sign of anamorphic modes? I had the lens set at about 1/3 down from the top. The CA was negligable...and I stood about 2 feet from the screen with a static grid test pattern. I did not push the shift all the way to the extreme though.

ted

According to my Sony rep it is 15000:1.
post #122 of 833
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Originally Posted by theHTguru View Post

I'm curious to hear how it compares PQ wise to the RS1X. Is the native CR of the RS1 visibly better than the HW10 due to use of a variable iris? Sounds like the colors and sharpness are better though it may not be as bright as the JVC. Lens control seems to be equal. It's cheaper than a used RS1.

I am not one to compare directly. But what I can say is that there are some distinct advantages to the Sony. The P/S colors, sharpness, NR are just a few. Plus the biggest...it is cheaper.
post #123 of 833
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Originally Posted by William Mapstone View Post

Is the warranty 1 year like the vw10, or 2 years? thx.

Didn't check, but I believe 2.
post #124 of 833
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Originally Posted by circumstances View Post

jason, can you compare the overall picture to the VW60? also, can you compare the convergence adjustment feature to the one available on the VW60? oh heck, can you just give the advantages and disadvantages of this unit vs. the VW60? thanks.

Same exact convergence ability as the VW60. Near as I can tell, the VW60 has better contrast and motorized lens. But the HW10 is sharper, better light output (VW40 was in the 500 range and VW60 was in the upper 500), and NR.
post #125 of 833
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Originally Posted by Uther View Post

What about anamorphic lens support? Does it have both modes to allow permanent mounting of the lens (i.e., no sled)?

Negative.
post #126 of 833
Nice review.
post #127 of 833
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Originally Posted by Jason Turk View Post

Negative.

Thanks Jason for the great review. I am disappointed in the lack of anamorphic support especially since it is on projectors that cost much less...
post #128 of 833
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Originally Posted by SAM1233 View Post

Hi,
I have decided on this hw10 unit, thought it is future proof with all the latest technology, which could atleast go for another year or two.

HDMI 1.3, deep colour, x v colour
sharpness, contrast, advanced panel, quiet operation,color accuracy. good black details , sxrd technology is dust proof, sealed light path.

From, where should i get this unit? and when is the right time to buy, after christmas?(to get cheaper street price??)

thanks
SAM

Call me and I can help.
post #129 of 833
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I think I got everything. I have to go to Cedia early in the morning, so any specific questions please PM or email me (jason@avscience.com).
post #130 of 833
"P/S colors"

P/S = primary/secondary?
post #131 of 833
On the better "sharpness" mentioned.

Could it be that the smaller SRXD panel helps maintain the image in a smaller center section of the lens which is the sweet spot after all. Of course one could grow the lens to have a larger sweet spot as we have seen from other PJ manfucturers. Smaller lens and panel = lower cost ...
post #132 of 833
It would be interesting to know what the contrast with the iris off to get an idea of how the panels changed.
post #133 of 833
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

"P/S colors"

P/S = primary/secondary?

Yeah sorry. My shorthand is my own.
post #134 of 833
Jason
Can you reveal info on the VW70 now?
post #135 of 833
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Originally Posted by HoustonHoyaFan View Post

Jason
Can you reveal info on the VW70 now?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=530
post #136 of 833
They keep saying 30,000:1 for the HW10:


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SONY INTRODUCES TWO NEW 1080p SXRD FRONT HOME THEATER PROJECTORS
DENVER, Sept. 3, 2008 (CEDIA Booth #600) - Sony Electronics today unveiled two full high-definition 1080p BRAVIA® projectors (models VPL-VW70 and VPL-HW10) offering more choices for customers looking for the ultimate home theater viewing experience.

The new 1920 x 1080 progressive Silicon X-tal Reflective Display (SXRD) projectors feature 24p True Cinema technology, delivering film-like performance.

Built for the home theater enthusiast, the VPL-VW70 features 60,000:1 dynamic contrast, brightness of 800 ANSI lumens.

The model can accept an external anamorphic lens (sold separately) that, when paired with Sony's Anamorphic Zoom Mode, allows users to take full advantage of panel resolution and screen size while watching a movie with native aspect ratio of 2:32:1. When Anamorphic Zoom is selected through the remote, the VPL-VW70 will output a trigger signal that can be used to activate the optional lens and screen transition to maximize the theater experience with a 2:35:1 movie.

For customers looking to enter the full HD home theater at a value, Sony's VPL-HW10 model features a 30,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, 1000 ANSI lumens for brighter room applications.

Specifically designed with the custom installation market in mind, the projectors are also equipped with a panel alignment adjustment function that aligns each red, green and blue pixel for precise images. The adjustment range is +/-1 pixel in 1/10 pixel steps. The VPL-VW70 takes it a step further with panel zone alignment allowing users to further calibrate the picture. The model also adds a unique automatic lens cover that helps protect the lens from dust.

Both models feature the BRAVIA Engine all-digital video signal processing engine with unique algorithms for noise reduction and color enhancement to deliver sharp, vibrant images.

The VPL-VW70 projector will be available in November for about $8,000, while the VPL-HW10 unit will be available in September for about $3,500. Both models will be offered direct at Sony Style® retail stores nationwide and authorized dealers around the country.

Maybe that's way you get 16,000, Jason.
post #137 of 833
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Originally Posted by SgtPepper View Post

They keep saying 30,000:1 for the HW10:




Maybe that's way you get 16,000, Jason.


Hay I just thought of something.

If Sony is rating the HW10 at 30:000:1 and Jason got 16995:1, about half the rated contrast. Does this mean the VW70 rated at 60,000:1 will see around 30K:1 all for $8,000? Way to go Sony.
post #138 of 833
Compared to the VW40, it looks like the VW10 puts some things in one hand while taking from the other.

The convergence controls and higher brightness are a real draw.
The one thing that niggles about my VW40 is the 'bright corners' as Jason refers to them in the VW10 review. Jason convinced me that all SXRD/LCoS PJs have this slight issue and here, not three months later we have a model without it!

The extra horizonal shift via knob is something that should have been on the VW40 for sure. And the slightly smaller size and nice shiny black case are also minor improvements over the VW40.

On the down side we have $500 MORE on the price tag and no Remote Zoom.

I love remote zoom. Sometimes when viewing SD material there are just too many artifacts and I want to reduce the image size to hide them.

Sometimes I want to increase the size of a 2.35:1 movie to fill my screen's horizontal width. (My screen is wider than 16:9 but not a full CIH screen.)

If the VW10 had remote zoom, I would be heavily into buyers remorse right now. But I paid a fair amount less and have THAT nice to have feature at the cost of not quite so good as perfectly excellent PQ.

I know that PQ to many is the one feature that supercedes all others, but for me I think the VW40 was a good compromise. Strange move on Sony's part though, don't you think...

What about you? Would you snap up one of the last VW40's before they're all gone, or forfeit the remote zoom and fork out another 500 bucks for the new VW10?
post #139 of 833
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Originally Posted by Red-3 View Post

What about you? Would you snap up one of the last VW40's before they're all gone, or forfeit the remote zoom and fork out another 500 bucks for the new VW10?

i was never considering the VW40, but i am seriously considering saving the $1500 on the VW60 and going for the HW10.
post #140 of 833
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Originally Posted by circumstances View Post

i was never considering the VW40, but i am seriously considering saving the $1500 on the VW60 and going for the HW10.

Ditto!!!
post #141 of 833
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Originally Posted by Zip3kx07 View Post

Hay I just thought of something.

If Sony is rating the HW10 at 30:000:1 and Jason got 16995:1, about half the rated contrast. Does this mean the VW70 rated at 60,000:1 will see around 30K:1 all for $8,000? Way to go Sony.

Get over it. It really doesn't matter what CR the manufacture claims. Claims of high CR values are most frequently inventions of the marketing dept. of the company, not measured values from the engineers. For example the new new Panasonic AE3000 claims a CR of 60,000:1 but Cine4home measured about 10,000 with the DI engaged after calibrated to 6500K. The current generation of Panasonic 1080p plasmas claim 1,000,000:1 dynamic CR but measure only a tiny fraction of that value. For front projectors, JVC provides the most realistic CR claims. I guess if I were selling a front projector I would claim it has infinite CR and would measure it by comparing the light output with a full white image to the projector's light output with with the projector turned off. However if the projector had a standby LED still glowing then that would probably reduce the CR to only a million to one.
post #142 of 833
Funny.

CR is fine; if I were Sony I would claim 17,000:01 and get over it. Problem is JVC has a similar ratio in their low-end response, but NATIVE. Then... I -Sony- should lower the price to compete and get over it once again.
post #143 of 833
Once a unit is calibrated for D65 the lumen drops substanially hence the Cr unless it is close to D65 out of box.
post #144 of 833
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Originally Posted by SgtPepper View Post

Problem is JVC has a similar ratio in their low-end response, but NATIVE. Then... I -Sony- should lower the price to compete and get over it once again.

Sony is also NATIVE! Not like panasonic's dynamic IRIS(mechanical device)
post #145 of 833
Sony is not Native you douche. They also use a dynamic Iris. The only NATIVE is JVC.
post #146 of 833
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Originally Posted by SAM1233 View Post

Sony is also NATIVE! Not like panasonic's dynamic IRIS(mechanical device)

How do you know this?

Jason's sentences were (for me at any rate, ambiguous) but there has been no clear statement that I know of that states the 17K:1 that he measured at D65 was native.

ted
post #147 of 833
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Originally Posted by Red-3 View Post

Compared to the VW40, it looks like the VW10 puts some things in one hand while taking from the other.

The convergence controls and higher brightness are a real draw.
The one thing that niggles about my VW40 is the 'bright corners' as Jason refers to them in the VW10 review. Jason convinced me that all SXRD/LCoS PJs have this slight issue and here, not three months later we have a model without it!

The extra horizonal shift via knob is something that should have been on the VW40 for sure. And the slightly smaller size and nice shiny black case are also minor improvements over the VW40.

On the down side we have $500 MORE on the price tag and no Remote Zoom.

I love remote zoom. Sometimes when viewing SD material there are just too many artifacts and I want to reduce the image size to hide them.

Sometimes I want to increase the size of a 2.35:1 movie to fill my screen's horizontal width. (My screen is wider than 16:9 but not a full CIH screen.)

If the VW10 had remote zoom, I would be heavily into buyers remorse right now. But I paid a fair amount less and have THAT nice to have feature at the cost of not quite so good as perfectly excellent PQ.

I know that PQ to many is the one feature that supercedes all others, but for me I think the VW40 was a good compromise. Strange move on Sony's part though, don't you think...

What about you? Would you snap up one of the last VW40's before they're all gone, or forfeit the remote zoom and fork out another 500 bucks for the new VW10?

I just bought the vw40 on Monday and now I am second guessing my decision. I have the same question as you, is it worth $500 more? I like the motorized zoom but I'm not sure how often I will use it once I get everything setup.
post #148 of 833
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Originally Posted by absolutezerok View Post

I just bought the vw40 on Monday and now I am second guessing my decision. I have the same question as you, is it worth $500 more? I like the motorized zoom but I'm not sure how often I will use it once I get everything setup.

I guess it depends if you like tweaking the image size depending on the content you are watching. (E.g. make it smaller for SD content, to reduce visible articfacts, enlarge it for 2.35:1 movies for a faux CIH setup, etc.)

If you are just going to have the PJ setup once and then never touch it, there's no need for automated zoom.

From Jason's review I'd seriously consider taking the VW40 back while you can!
post #149 of 833
I was in the same boat and decided to pre-order HW10. No bright corners, nearly perfect color out of the box and convergence correction pushed me over to HW10 in the end. My current PJ (Panasonic PT-AE900) has really bad convergence and I hate it.

EDIT: Better brightness was also a big factor in my decision as well as that I have 16:9 screen so I have no need for motorized zoom or lens shift. Motorized focusing would have been nice though...
post #150 of 833
VPL-HW10 is In Stock on SonyStyle page and ready to ship. The VW70 is Coming Soon.
BTW the HW10 is rated 30000:1.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644515290

Bye
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