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post #151 of 833
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Is the warranty 1 year like the vw10, or 2 years? thx.

Didn't check, but I believe 2.

Service and Warranty Information
Limited Warranty Term : Product Warranty - 1 Years Parts and Labor except the lamp. Lamp Warranty - 90 Days from date of purchase.



Bummer!
post #152 of 833
What is a good scaler to pair this projector with in order to get 2.35:1?
post #153 of 833
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FYI the original specs changed so it IS 30000:1. Which means I have to go and triple check my measurements. I am at Cedia, but I will do some investigating Monday.

Stay tuned.
post #154 of 833
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Originally Posted by Jason Turk View Post

FYI the original specs changed so it IS 30000:1. Which means I have to go and triple check my measurements. I am at Cedia, but I will do some investigating Monday.

Stay tuned.

My guess is your triple check will turn up numbers pretty close to what you measured before. These CR numbers tossed around by all but JVC are just so much fluff anymore as to be worthless. They might as well just claim 1,000,000 to one given the real world applicability of their claims. I trust what you measure to be a practical baseline, not the marketing hype.
post #155 of 833
Ordered today ! The list price in Canada is the same $3499.99

Compared to the VPL-VW60, if you do not need motorized zoom and focus, the HW10 is a deal since it is now XV colors and deep colors and has ajustable panels... As far as CR is concerned, it is probably the same as the VW60, but Sony did not publish the same spec in order to give an edge to the VW60.

As far as measuring the CR, it is probably close to imposible, since photo meter probes are quite inacurate at low light level... I have a Photoresearch PR650 $25,000.00 probe at work, I might try to measure the CR once I get my unit. We also have a JVC RS1, it might be interesting to compare. We also have a DLP NEC IS8 2K of 8000 lumens and the CR is rated at 2000 to 1 and the picture is just phenomenal, so I think CR has to be taken with a grain of salt !
post #156 of 833
So am I right in saying that basically the only thing this doesn't have (remote zoom not an issue) is 120hz refresh rate?
post #157 of 833
I spent the day at CEDIA today and saw the VPL-HW10 demonstrated at the Sony Booth. It is a very impressive unit. Bright scenes are absolutely stunning. The darker scenes are also very good. The transition from bright to dark scenes were the only thing that I saw which exposed the dynamic iris limitations. However, once the transition has been completed the image is very impressive.
post #158 of 833
Picture quality is more than just numbers, sometimes the end result could be more than the sum of its part, like Art from "Projector reviews" said in his evaluation of the VW60 last year:

"The Sony shines when it comes to the depth of the image. This is an "ability" I can't quite nail down as to what combination of areas of performance make this up, but every so often, I see projectors that just have that little extra. The Sony is one, Optoma's HD81 (and brighter HD81-LV, is another).

It definitely is part of the "wow' factor of the Sony.

The bottom line, is that the Sony has it, and it yields an initial reaction of being more impressive than my JVC. "


I believe that Sony might know more about video than most other manufacturers...
post #159 of 833
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FYI the original specs changed so it IS 30000:1. Which means I have to go and triple check my measurements. I am at Cedia, but I will do some investigating Monday.

Stay tuned.

Jason,

Aside from the "specifications", what do you feel is notably improved over the VPL-VW40? Is the improvement - in your estimation - worth a nearly $1000 premium relative to "street" pricing?
post #160 of 833
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Originally Posted by AReiners View Post

I spent the day at CEDIA today and saw the VPL-HW10 demonstrated at the Sony Booth. It is a very impressive unit. Bright scenes are absolutely stunning. The darker scenes are also very good. The transition from bright to dark scenes were the only thing that I saw which exposed the dynamic iris limitations. However, once the transition has been completed the image is very impressive.

The Epson 1080ub gets a bad rap for a loud, slow dynamic iris. How does the VW10's iris compare?
post #161 of 833
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I believe that Sony might know more about video than most other manufacturers...

Funny. I lump Sony with Bose and Monster Cable. Over hyped and pricey for average performance. These companies thrive on uninformed consumers.

That said the 10 appears to be a decent value for the performance relative to the field.
post #162 of 833
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Funny. I lump Sony with Bose and Monster Cable. Over hyped and pricey for average performance. These companies thrive on uninformed consumers.

That said the 10 appears to be a decent value for the performance relative to the field.

You're wrong there. They do make a fair amount of crap across their enormous product line, because frankly that's what most of the market wants. But their top stuff in most segments can hang with anyone.
post #163 of 833
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Originally Posted by kevivoe View Post

Funny. I lump Sony with Bose and Monster Cable. Over hyped and pricey for average performance. These companies thrive on uninformed consumers.

That said the 10 appears to be a decent value for the performance relative to the field.


You line up Sony with Bose and Monster in the same league!!? Now that is funny indeed.
post #164 of 833
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Funny. I lump Sony with Bose and Monster Cable. Over hyped and pricey for average performance.

Like the G90, the Qualia when it was introduced, the 34XBR line of CRTs, etc. You can't say Sony doesn't have their high performance lines. Then again, their HTIB, entry DVD players, etc. (which account for most of their profits I', sure) are about equal to Bose and Monster. I've never liked Sony but at one point I had a 60XBR2, 34" Sony CRT, and a VW60 for my displays.
post #165 of 833
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I've never liked Sony but at one point I had a 60XBR2, 34" Sony CRT, and a VW60 for my displays.

I very much don't like Sony, but have a 40" 1080p Bravia LCD...because, dammit, they make good TVs.
post #166 of 833
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I very much don't like Sony, but have a 40" 1080p Bravia LCD...because, dammit, they make good TVs.

That is a nice display. I was looking at the 50 or 60" version at Peter Piper Pizza today. They had five or six mounted on the walls. One kid was throwing wadded up napkins (with pizza sauce I'm sure) at the screen to see if he could hit it. I wanted to call child protective services to report it (abusing that poor LCD). I would adopt it.
post #167 of 833
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Originally Posted by kevivoe View Post

Funny. I lump Sony with Bose and Monster Cable. Over hyped and pricey for average performance. These companies thrive on uninformed consumers.

That said the 10 appears to be a decent value for the performance relative to the field.


Ignorance is its own reward, your format war wounds are showing.
Perhaps you should take a tour of a Broadcast Studio or Control Room sometime.

ted
post #168 of 833
I wonder if there will ever be a time when we can discuss a Sony product without the thread degenerating into a Sony bash-fest...? It is like freakin' clockwork! WHY???

Anyone out there get their hands on the HW10 yet? Reviews, impressions, first looks, anything? Please?
post #169 of 833
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Sony bash-fest...? It is like freakin' clockwork! WHY???

Because if consumers don't voice their displeasure with companies, those companies' behavior are likely to worse instead of better?

I'll buy a superior Sony product at a lower price (see my TV post above), but all other things being equal, I'll buy from a competitor. The reasons are many, but my temporary boycott started with the root kit fiasco, and my permanent bias against Sony products was probably cemented when they put Lik-Sang out of business.
post #170 of 833
Sales rule.

I wonder if Jason shipped any of the 10s yet? Is he in CEDIA mode only now?
post #171 of 833
So I saw the HW10 today for quite a bit of time at CEDIA and subjectively, it was stunning. That's both considering the price and price notwithstanding. Now, there wasn't a JVC sitting nearby and it'd be foolish to compare them too tightly given the gap. But considering the relative prices and my suspicion the Sony is somewhat brighter in reality (is that true Jason?), it seems like an absolute steal.

If you are looking at ~120 inches of screen width or less, you'd be advised to give the Sony a long hard look as you are projector shopping. I'm not sure what would cause any reasonable person to argue there's a dealbreaker there in the sub-$10K category. That's not to say there aren't a number of other outstanding sub $10K and $5K projectors but this is surely yet another step in the SXRD's evolution -- and a very positive one. Jason's numerical evaluation backs that up. And the bright, contrasty, sharp, rich, colorful picture the eye sees confirms it.
post #172 of 833
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

So I saw the HW10 today for quite a bit of time at CEDIA and subjectively, it was stunning. That's both considering the price and price notwithstanding. Now, there wasn't a JVC sitting nearby and it'd be foolish to compare them too tightly given the gap. But considering the relative prices and my suspicion the Sony is somewhat brighter in reality (is that true Jason?), it seems like an absolute steal.

If you are looking at ~120 inches of screen width or less, you'd be advised to give the Sony a long hard look as you are projector shopping. I'm not sure what would cause any reasonable person to argue there's a dealbreaker there in the sub-$10K category. That's not to say there aren't a number of other outstanding sub $10K and $5K projectors but this is surely yet another step in the SXRD's evolution -- and a very positive one. Jason's numerical evaluation backs that up. And the bright, contrasty, sharp, rich, colorful picture the eye sees confirms it.

But where does it improve on the VPL-VW40 and is the difference worth $1000 in street pricing?
post #173 of 833
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

So I saw the HW10 today for quite a bit of time at CEDIA and subjectively, it was stunning. That's both considering the price and price notwithstanding. Now, there wasn't a JVC sitting nearby and it'd be foolish to compare them too tightly given the gap. But considering the relative prices and my suspicion the Sony is somewhat brighter in reality (is that true Jason?), it seems like an absolute steal.

If you are looking at ~120 inches of screen width or less, you'd be advised to give the Sony a long hard look as you are projector shopping. I'm not sure what would cause any reasonable person to argue there's a dealbreaker there in the sub-$10K category. That's not to say there aren't a number of other outstanding sub $10K and $5K projectors but this is surely yet another step in the SXRD's evolution -- and a very positive one. Jason's numerical evaluation backs that up. And the bright, contrasty, sharp, rich, colorful picture the eye sees confirms it.

thanks rogo. i'm fairly certain this is my next projector. however, i do have enough money to purchase a new VW60. if you are able to weigh in on a direct comparison of the two, it would be greatly appreciated. if not, i can wait for the other inevitable comparisons.
post #174 of 833
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thanks rogo. i'm fairly certain this is my next projector. however, i do have enough money to purchase a new VW60. if you are able to weigh in on a direct comparison of the two, it would be greatly appreciated. if not, i can wait for the other inevitable comparisons.

I too, am wavering between the two. If the HW10 compares favorably to the VW60 then it is a no brainer. How big does contrast come to favoring one over the other? Does the HW10 have the same three dimensionality of the 60?
Going to be a fun few months of reviews and comparisons.
post #175 of 833
Not to sound like a broken record, but I'm really considering the Sony HW10 for my newly build theater too, but I'm a bit concerned that it will be bright enough to feel a 115-120" screen while mounted 19ft back. I could use a 1.3 or more gain screen, but from those of you that have seen it, do you think the projector is bright enough to do it?

I'll probably end up getting the new Panny AE3000 or Epson 6100, but I really like the picture quality on the Sony VW40 & 60 and am trying to see if I can make it work.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
post #176 of 833
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Originally Posted by CreativeHT View Post

Not to sound like a broken record, but I'm really considering the Sony HW10 for my newly build theater too, but I'm a bit concerned that it will be bright enough to feel a 115-120" screen while mounted 19ft back. I could use a 1.3 or more gain screen, but from those of you that have seen it, do you think the projector is bright enough to do it?

I'll probably end up getting the new Panny AE3000 or Epson 6100, but I really like the picture quality on the Sony VW40 & 60 and am trying to see if I can make it work.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

I suspect the Epson 6500UB will be priced similar to the Sony HW10 and the Epson may have somewhat more lumens output at 6500K. I'm also looking for a new projector and a 120" screen with gain around 1.3.
post #177 of 833
this will be my first projector...im looking at a 134 inch diag screen...i can mount it at any point in the room and my room is fully light controlled...what gain screen and how far back should this thing be mounted? i was messing with the VW40 throw calculator on projectorcentral and it seems like with that size screen for the 40 it turned out to be mounted right about 11 feet with 1.3 gain screen...about the same for HW10?
post #178 of 833
Thanks Ron,
Do you think the picture quality will be the similar between the two?
post #179 of 833
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

So I saw the HW10 today for quite a bit of time at CEDIA and subjectively, it was stunning. That's both considering the price and price notwithstanding. Now, there wasn't a JVC sitting nearby and it'd be foolish to compare them too tightly given the gap. But considering the relative prices and my suspicion the Sony is somewhat brighter in reality (is that true Jason?), it seems like an absolute steal.

If you are looking at ~120 inches of screen width or less, you'd be advised to give the Sony a long hard look as you are projector shopping. I'm not sure what would cause any reasonable person to argue there's a dealbreaker there in the sub-$10K category. That's not to say there aren't a number of other outstanding sub $10K and $5K projectors but this is surely yet another step in the SXRD's evolution -- and a very positive one. Jason's numerical evaluation backs that up. And the bright, contrasty, sharp, rich, colorful picture the eye sees confirms it.

sounds intriguing. so it has pretty decent lumens? I never seriously considered Sony before b/c they always seem lacking in the lumens dept., at least when compared to similarly or lower priced PJs.

oops, never mind. I just read Jason's review (I always scroll past the stickies. duh). Definitely a contender.
post #180 of 833
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Originally Posted by circumstances View Post

thanks rogo. i'm fairly certain this is my next projector. however, i do have enough money to purchase a new VW60. if you are able to weigh in on a direct comparison of the two, it would be greatly appreciated. if not, i can wait for the other inevitable comparisons.

I can't because only the HW10 was set up at CEDIA and so any direct comparison would be at best lightly informed.

Without drawing on actual picture-quality comparisons, I'd say one thing almost immediately, though. Are you an upgrader? If so, get the HW10. There is room for improvement that will likely be achieved over the next year or two. If you are looking to set-and-forget for a while, the extra investment might be justified now, however.

I do think having the inexpensive and more expensive Sony along with both JVCs in a 4-way shootout would be fascinating for the nitpickers.
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