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post #211 of 1077
Congrats on the theater Chia. I have a few projects that I still need to finish before I can begin framing. If I have any questions I will send them your way along with a knife in the back like in COD.
post #212 of 1077
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Congrats on the theater Chia. I have a few projects that I still need to finish before I can begin framing. If I have any questions I will send them your way along with a knife in the back like in COD.

Better get your questions in before 11/10/09, I may be taking a theater break then and focusing entirely on MW2
post #213 of 1077
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Alex, I'll take basement builds for $1000.

Answer: Long Sleve Shirt

Question: What to wear to stop the insulation itchies?

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding!!!

Well last night I had an hour before going to a neighbors for dinner, so I put on the mask, gloves, and a thick long sleve shirt. Still in shorts. I definately sweat more, but not a single itch. 6 bags done in that time and I could have kept going if there were more time.

Just a note for those in the framing stage. 16" on center for those studs is key. Makes insulation go quick. I am skipping the odd size bays for now, and just cutting the bats to size and putting them in flies along when you don't have to cut the bats the long ways. really starts comming together quickly.

As for progress, my wife is having a massage tonight, so I will be doing 1st grade homework, ordering pizza, and we are going to watch Wall-E. Then tomorrow night is the dads and daughters camping trip so I will be gone for that. But Saturday afternoon I will be able to get some more quality time in with the insulation. Hopefully I will be able to make some good progress this 3 day weekend (since all my other 3 day weekends have been aweful this year with family medical issues, just let me have 1 3 day for myself...)
post #214 of 1077
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I hope you all had a great Labor Day weekend. For me it was the first 3 day weekend without any family illnesses or injuries, so needless too say it was great.

As for progress, there was a little, but I had more important things to do.
Friday night was a daddy daughter camping trip. 13 dads and 13 girls. And when we left in the morning, by some stroke of luck, the count was the same.
Saturday was a little work, but mainly napping from the camping trip.
Sunday, a little work, then my mom's big 60th birthday.
Monday, yard work, park with the kids and some basement time. I could have done more, but I was just tired of sweating, and there is a free month of the DIY channel, so I was hooked on the renovation shows.

No pics, but here is where the progress currently stands.
AV closet walls almost all insulated. 3 odd cavities left.
Theater walls almost all insulated. 3 odd sized cavities left.
Bar area, walls almost insulated. just odd small spaces left.
Bathroom walls about 30% complete. the rest is odd sized.
Rec room 10% walls done. Can't do much more until insulation pile is moved, and I get some framing work done under the stairs.

Yesterday, I also went and bought some drywall to do the back side of the wall behind the furnace to block sound from leaking into the theater. I thought 1/2" drywall was heavy, this time I bought 5/8". I needed to get this done before being able to insulate the side of the theater and the AV closet. Man it is tough to get back there, and took about 4 hours for the 4 sheets used. I also had to go buy a 90 degree drill to try and get in there a little.

Next up, finish the odd sized wall cavities, then move onto the ceilings.
post #215 of 1077
Chia,

I'm thinking you will be Happy when you can say the insulation is done. As for drywall - I understand. Code in my area requires 5/8" fire rated on the underside of my stairwell, what Pain that was in a constricted space...
post #216 of 1077
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Well, I just had some conversations on Cathan's Thread about his mini split. And just in case I forget, I really can't currently do one due to the fact that it would go on the screen wall, thus making the screen a giant dust collecting air filter.

If I need cooler air in the future, I can always try to put a mini split on the left wall since it will connect to the unfinished space, and that would be easy to drain. I could always place it lower on the wall so as to not interfear with the sconce, and I could cover it with some wood work like you can see in old houses where they make covers to radiators. So there are always hopes for the future.

Cuz, I will definately be glad when the insulation is over. I put 1 piece in a soffet, and I will definately need glasses for above the head. The walls are not that bad, but the sweating from suiting up is what drives me crazy. So at least the little bit of drywall I got to do yesterday was a nice change. As for under the stairs, the builder gave me no entrace, so I will have to build one, so I can have storage, but it is studs all around, should be fun trying to wedge pieces in there. I will probably be splicing the sheets together from small chunks in the small space in there.
post #217 of 1077
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Originally Posted by Chiahead View Post

Well, I just had some conversations on Cathan's Thread about his mini split. And just in case I forget, I really can't currently do one due to the fact that it would go on the screen wall, thus making the screen a giant dust collecting air filter.

If I need cooler air in the future, I can always try to put a mini split on the left wall since it will connect to the unfinished space, and that would be easy to drain. I could always place it lower on the wall so as to not interfear with the sconce, and I could cover it with some wood work like you can see in old houses where they make covers to radiators. So there are always hopes for the future.

Cuz, I will definately be glad when the insulation is over. I put 1 piece in a soffet, and I will definately need glasses for above the head. The walls are not that bad, but the sweating from suiting up is what drives me crazy. So at least the little bit of drywall I got to do yesterday was a nice change. As for under the stairs, the builder gave me no entrace, so I will have to build one, so I can have storage, but it is studs all around, should be fun trying to wedge pieces in there. I will probably be splicing the sheets together from small chunks in the small space in there.

Just a quick comment. My HT is in the basement and I had originally assumed since it was the basement it would be 'cool' enough. Ultimately decided on two minis - one for the HT and one for the playroom. It's gotten pretty warm in the HT and I have been running the LG. It's worth noting that my equipment rack is in a fairly large separate adjacent closet and that room gets very hot so if the equipment will share the same space be forewarned.

BTW, we want PICS .
post #218 of 1077
I'm thankful for my mini-split. Just running a few lights in the room will crank up the heat to the point that I tend to break out into a sweat when working on it. But with the mini-split on the lowest setting, it's cool and comfortable.
post #219 of 1077
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Queen, I figure pics of one roll of insulation after another is not interesting. I want to finish the wall insulation by this weekend, then I can post pics of insulation and the drywall behind the furnace.

Also last night I got under the stairs framed and a first sheet on the angled part of the stairs. Enough to allow me to finish the wall insulation in the rec room. So look for pics this weekend, or beginning of next week.

As for the mini-split, It looks like adding in the future if needed is the way to go on the side wall. Drain will be easy, the other side of the wall is in the unfinished basement, so electrtical and copper lines will be easy. And since I am the type of person who sweats just walking up the stairs, it probably won't be long until I am contemplating adding it.
post #220 of 1077
Just posting this here in case you ever need the info. I stumbled onto it while ordering my water leak detector alarms.


Little Giant Condensate Removal Pump with Saftey Switch - 70 GPH, 1/30 HP, 3/8in., Model# 554425

post #221 of 1077
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...but the sweating from suiting up is what drives me crazy.

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Just running a few lights in the room will crank up the heat to the point that I tend to break out into a sweat when working on it.

Guys, I just figured out with Zen like understanding the key to this problem of needing little assistance to trigger the sweating drench fest...

Better yet, it involves a tropical paradise filled with bikini clad women sporting amazing, um, tans...and boat drinks.

After spending a week in Puerto Vallarta with the 90+ degree temps, 90+ percent humidity, and constant sweating I discovered that the key to overcoming the sweat fest problem is going to your "special place". Now, I'm talking strictly about the Zen pursuit of being one with your universe. And being on the beach at 20 degrees latitude that normally includes being one with lots of hot, um, temps...and bottomless cold drinks.

So, when it's my turn to don the insulation suit I'll be trying my hardest to think about my "special place" while sweating like a pig and ordering (ok, politely asking for) boat drinks from the wife.
post #222 of 1077
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audixium, that post had me sweating just reading it... Now get back to work on that demo disc, vacation over.
post #223 of 1077
Chiahead, please don't take offense when I say that this thread reads like National Lampoons Home Theater Installation. I can just imagine you (Clark Griswold) trying to install oompa loompa goo and hitting his fingers with the hammer, etc. Clearly your build is more complex than some of the others on this forum because you're in a situation where you're trying to build multiple rooms at once. It seems like nothing you've tried has worked right on the first attempt. Sometimes I just felt downright bad reading through it. You seem to be a pretty darn persistent guy though and I congratulate you for not giving up. I knew some people growing up that had *permanently unfinished* construction projects that lasted until they sold their house. Don't become them! Clark always made everyone happy in the end!

I wanted to ask for some more information about how you constructed your floating walls before you totally drywall them in. I was a little confused about the pictures you posted. Am I right that the weight of the wall is hanging from the ceiling? Obviously I missed something...

Thanks for the detailed thread! Keep it up!
post #224 of 1077
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Clark W. Griswald here, answering your home improvement questions... Do you really want to listen?

In Colorado, we have expanding soil, so by code we are required to float our walls. Yes, most of the weight is hung from the ceiling.

In this pic you can see 2 different ways I hung them:

On the left is a normal attached wall, nailed right to the joists, on the right is an isolated wall of the theater, where I used RSIC clips to hang from the ceiling. The clips are spaced every 2 feet along a joist, and every 19 inches crossing the joists (since that was the spacing from joist to joist).

The bottom of the walls are where the float occurs by our code. There is a base plate securely attached to the ground (pressure treated is against concrete), then the base of the wall that is floating is 1 1/2 inches above it. You drill through the floating wall and pound a 60p nail through it into the baseplate. Make sure the wall is plumb before sending the spike all the way through. As soon as there are 2 spikes through the wall, it moves no more.


Here you can see the float, normally there is no Mass Loaded Vinyl (MLV) around the gap, that is just for my sound isolation purposes. About every 2 stud cavities there is a spike through the baseplate.

Check your code requirements for if you need to float your walls, if not, sound isolation will be a little easier (no MLV on the baseplate). Floating with the clips though from the ceiling would really help with isolation. On that first pic, if I strike both walls with a hammer, and go listen upstairs, the impact noise is reduced approximately 60%.
post #225 of 1077
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Ok, I said there wowuld be pics this weekend, and they are here. I will split it up into 2 threads...

First the start of drywall...
Here is the part I did last weekend to get behind the furnace:

I still need to do a small strip on the floor behind the furnace.

Next is just to the right, where the back of the Graphic Eye will come through, and the IR repeater part of the graphix eye is in the blue box.

Notice the tight gap around the blue box? I took lessons from Logan, sad thing is he measured, and I used a roto-zip. Oh well, that is why we practive first in the unfinished space.

Next is under the stairs:

I strung a block every other step to attach the drywall too, and build a small knee wall at the end to do the small spot. These are the peices I wanted to do before insulation to make attaching on the left easier without the fiberglass there.

And my personal inspector was here today. He likes to check the arches every day for the dead load weight:
post #226 of 1077
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Now onto the itch fest...

Here is the base of the stairs looking towards the Bar:


Standing at the back theater wall looking into the bar:


Bathroom door looking towards the vanity:


Bathroom vanity looking towards the water shutoff:


Back in the rec room, this is where a built in shelf will be on the left for some hockey memorabilia, and on the right is where I will have my guitars hung:


AV closet looking in from the theater:


A better view of the cable monster and the little monster:


And in the theater, from the stage looking back:


And from the entrance looking towards the stage:


Next is to seal some of the HVAC in the AV closet, then ceiling insulation can begin in there.

And preparing for future work, I went and cashed in all my coins at the coinstar machine today, and got an Amazon gift certificate (no way I am paying 8.9% to have a machine count my coins) and purchased my drywall lift and the male plug for my homemade power bridge from amazon. These should arrive in the next week.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00149E822
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00074USHY
post #227 of 1077
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Quick question for the full basement builders out there.

I have finished the ceiling insulation in the AV closet and the Theater. Theater I used a double layer of R19. AV closet 1 layer. In the closet, I had to screw some metal up to the joists to hold the insulation up there. The joists are 17 inches apart inside to inside, but the insulation is only 15 inches.

The theater was fine because of the 2x4s I added to lower the ceiling. The stuff hangs in fine.

My question comes down to the rest of the basement. Is it necessary to insulate the ceilings in the rest of the build? The bathroom is below a bathroom that has vinyl floors. The serving side of the bar is below an unused guest room with carpet on the floor. The other side of the bar is below the kitchen that has a solid wood floor. The rec room is below the carpeted dining room, and the hard wood entry hallway.

So to screw up cross peices every 2 feet, then itch? Or just plan on moving on to drywall? YOU MAKE THE CALL!!!
post #228 of 1077
If your theater is isolated from the rest of the basement and you don't need the insulation for sound proofing, don't waste your time and money (and more itching). There's no insulation between your first and second floor (if you have a two story house that is), and you shouldn't need it between the basement and your first floor. Only exterior walls and ceilings if you're not doing it for sound isolation. I have to do it for my entire basement ceiling because the theater isn't totally isolated from the rest of the basement, but if your's is, you shouldn't have to.
post #229 of 1077
I say go to your special place.
post #230 of 1077
I'd say why skimp now....just put up your panties and finish insulating the entire thing. You'll only itch for a couple more days and You'll thank yourself later.

And things are looking good chia. Keep it up. You'll be jamming out in your man cave before you know it!
post #231 of 1077
Now that's what I'm talking about! Nice pics chia and great progress. I'm not an expert in these matters but I'm with the fuse. Why stop now. Just finish it off. In our unfinished basement, they had insulation in the entire ceiling area.
post #232 of 1077
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If your theater is isolated from the rest of the basement and you don't need the insulation for sound proofing, don't waste your time and money (and more itching). There's no insulation between your first and second floor (if you have a two story house that is), and you shouldn't need it between the basement and your first floor. Only exterior walls and ceilings if you're not doing it for sound isolation. I have to do it for my entire basement ceiling because the theater isn't totally isolated from the rest of the basement, but if your's is, you shouldn't have to.

That isn't true. Even a decoupled room benefits from insulation. It helps keep the space between floors from resonating and it helps absorb higher end of the spectrum. I did the entire basement ceiling. Keep in mind noise will still escape/flank/etc.
post #233 of 1077
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Well, at least korkster is looking out for me...

4-1 to suck it up and insulate. I don't think I have enough to insulate the whol thing yet, but I can start with what I currently have.
post #234 of 1077
I too would insulate the entire thing. I did in mine, but my room is smaller than your's so I think I would benefit more. But what are the other areas to be used for? It wouldn't hurt to cut down on the noise from those rooms as well. You know, like when the kids are playing down there....
post #235 of 1077
I'm a fan of insulating all walls. We had all interior walls of our main level insulated, and I CAN TELL A DIFFERENCE compared to some friends in the same house without the insulation.
post #236 of 1077
Like you need another vote - I'll say it anyway - Insulate the whole basement!!

I did, and except for frequencies below ~200HZ, it made a big reduction in sound reduction and isolation; for both movie sounds going up - and foot traffic coming down.

A tip for keeping overhead insulation in place:
I think it was at HD, that I found a box of wires that are cut to the perfect length (and sharpened on the ends) it is designed to poke into the joists (or studs) and span the cavity to hold the insulation in place.
post #237 of 1077
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Chiahead, please don't take offense when I say that this thread reads like National Lampoons Home Theater Installation. I can just imagine you (Clark Griswold) trying to install oompa loompa goo and hitting his fingers with the hammer, etc.

HEY HEY NOW PLEASE DON'T YOU DARE >> Discredit my hero, Clark Griswold !!

Clark (aka Chia),

Great photo-update!

And those photos of dry-walling under the stairs - brings back painful memories

"hurry up I need to get something to eat >> it's time for my backpill!"
post #238 of 1077
Here, here!!

In fact, I'm so adamant about this insulation issue that I think you should not only insulate your basement but MY basement as well.

Just to be sure.

post #239 of 1077
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Yes, full insulation is comming... Last night I added the strapping to the bottom of the joists in the bathroom, and the serving side of the bar. Ran out of strapping, so I will be picking up more at lunch today.

Then I worked on the ceiling isolation in the theater, and got 3 of the dry wall furring channels installed (out of 11, my isolation goes to 11). Then ran out of deck screws to install the channel, so also lunch time today.

looking at the clips I am using, I thought no way would these rubbe things hold the track and drywall, but when screwing it down, it really cinches it up tight. I even tested the track by putting a 2x4 above it and hanging on it. 255 lbs in one spot and no problems, guess I am good to spread it arounf the whole ceiling. I will try to get some pics of the channel and clips tonight. Maybe even get my little inspector to try out the channels for me too.
post #240 of 1077
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Okay, here is my ceiling isolation...

Isomax clips, you can see just how flexible they are, I thought no way will this hold weight:


Here is a shot of them cinched down, now they are going nowhere:


How to attach them. Easiest to place them all on the track, then lift and clamp it in the middle and slide them to where they are needed and screw them in:


A shot of the ceiling with a few up:


The tracks are 2 feet apart, 6 inches max from the ends. The clips are about every 17 inches on the track, and also within 6 inches of the ends.

Sorry, no inspector test, he was already in bed.
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