Originally Posted by HappyFunBoater
Are we actually agreeing? Yes, DRM should be fixed. And, yes, it up to the people coding DRM to fix DRM.
We are agreeing that the current DRM is fubar, yes
My only point from the beginning is that DRM isn't bad. Bad DRM is bad.
I think at best, DRM is net
Originally Posted by HappyFunBoater
If DRM went away you still wouldn't be able to make copies. That proves that it's not DRM that's stopping you. It's licensing that stops you. (Unless of course you're a pirate.
Let's see CDs are DRM free, the content industry would argue they are "licensed" the same as movies, yet I can easily and legally make a copy of a CD for personal use.
I can not do that legally with DVDs or BDs, thus I say the DRM is preventing me from doing something legal I expect to be able to do.
Originally Posted by bjmarchini
I think you don't get it. BD was not designed to for you to be able to do this. It is like saying that a Honda Civic should be able to submerge if given the right equipment... and then blaming Honda because you sprung a leak underwater.
No, it's not like that at all. The situation we have with BD, is that the creators are actively, intentionally
inhibiting novel uses
of their product. It would be like Honda running a scan on your car every time you start it to make sure it's on an "approved" road, and that you haven't made any modifications to it. It would be like Honda installing technology that prevents you from installing ground effects, aftermarket wheels, aftermarket stereo, suspension, performance parts, etc, etc.
If car makers were to build their cards with technology that prevents use/installation of 3rd party aftermarket accessories people would scream bloody murder. Aftermarket auto parts are a massive industry, and auto makers understand that there's is significant life, and profit to be had for their products outside of their direct design goals. Look at the auto makers that are explicitly
advertising the customization of their cars, and all the other auto manufacturers that have a significant presence in the aftermarket.We should not be beholden to the creators of the product or the owners of the copyright/patent to conceive of, or plan for, or explicitly allow for every possible use contingency.
If products could only be used for or in their original intended/designed purpose, then innovation would be completely stiffled. CDs were not designed to be ripped to PCs and transferred to portable players. The existence of the iPod, Sonos, Squeezebox, and a myriad of other media players is due to the openness of CD and the fact that people saw possibilities beyond what the format's creators saw/designed for/intended and weren't prevented from doing so by technological measures. THe CD "aftermarket" thrives today, not because of the plans/designs/intensions of the creators of CD, but because they didn't lock their format down like subsequent formats.
Kaleidescape exists in spite
of the design of DVD, and only due to a loophole in the licensing. How many more DVD server options would we have today if DVD were "open" like CD such that Pioneer, Sony, HK, Denon, Microsoft, and everyone else could make DVD servers and streamers?
How much has the DVD "aftermarket" been stiffled by CSS? CD's openness has lead to well over $10 billion in "aftermarket" sales in iPods alone, how much more in other media players. How much would a similarly open DVD have produced?
Despite all that today we're just
starting to see an emergence of DVD servers that support "unencrypted" DVDs, but this is only due to the industry having given up on CSS, and companies being a bit bolder, but their penetration is still very small, largely due to the fact that they've got to skirt the edges of legality and due to CSS are more complex to use than most people want to deal with.
They did not design BD with the idea of you being able to load it on to a media server.
Neither was CD, but it created a huge ecosystem of digital audio products that, I bet, massively outweighs any of the negative effects of piracy. Do you think there'd be 100 million iPods out there if you couldn't rip your CD collection into iTunes and load it onto your iPod?
You do realize that Studios loath rental companies... right?
They loath a lot of things.
And with DVD, you can.... but you aren't supposed to. DVD was also not designed for you to do that. If it were legal, an industrial nation like Nero, PowerDVD or WinDVD would allow you to do this with their software.
Exactly! Look at the whole set of innovative functionality that's been stiffled by CSS and the illegality of ripping DVDs.
It is not that they can't, it is that they are not legally allowed to. The person that designed DVDshrink was the designer for Nero's Vision DVD software after he closed up shop on DVD shrink (which is why it was never updated after 3.2)
And just imagine what sorts of products there would be if one could legally rip DVDs....