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post #1261 of 2810
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

Always good advice.

I would suspect that the Sony is set to output PCM, which should be a simple enough change to make. I'm a Ps3 owner though, so I don't have that option, but I am perfectly happy with it decoding the signal.

Agree. The instructions for setting to bitstream output should be fairly obvious in the manual and easy to do.
post #1262 of 2810
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Originally Posted by MarcoEsquandolas View Post

Right, so now how do I get the bluray player to output the bitstream so that it can be decoded by the 706?

What I suspect is happening is that my bluray player (again, it's the Sony 350) is decoding the TrueHD on its own and sending that to the receiver via a multichannel PCM signal, as somebody mentioned before. This is fine with me, and it sounds great, but I just want to be sure and listen to the difference between the bluray decoding it and the receiver decoding it. I want to see the "Dolby TrueHD" listening mode appear on the 706 so I know it's doing the decoding.


On the 350:
BD Audio Settings: Direct

The 706 will now decode, but you will not be able to listen to secondary audio.

Note also that the 350 does not decode DTS-HD Master Audio.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ight=dts+hd+ma
post #1263 of 2810
Hello all,

I was hooking up and testing my new(refurb) SR706 last night and am having a ton of troubles.

after connecting all my speakers (Energy Take Classic 5.1) I powered the unit on and tuned to a radio station to hear some music while i finished setup.
Radio comes through fine and sounds good.

I then moved on to setting my inputs for my DISH receiver and PS3. I was planning on running audio via HDMI and set all up that way. Here's the problem - when I switch to the Sat mode and watch TV, the sound either doesn't work at all, or will cut in and out as if there are loose cables somewhere AND everything sounds slightly digitally distorted. I then moved over to the PS3 and found the same issue.

My next test was to assign these devices to run audio over optical connections in case I was just having weird HDMI issues...but I find I have the same trouble over optical as well.

I also noticed when I go to the test tone menu it will cut and clip out the test tones before finally stopping sound all together after a little bit.

The really strange thing here is that the radio works - seemingly fine.

Does any one have any ideas on something I could be doing wrong or should I pack the thing up and send it back?

Any help is greatly appreciated!!

-Reggie
post #1264 of 2810
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Originally Posted by CalifLove View Post

Hello all,

I was hooking up and testing my new(refurb) SR706 last night and am having a ton of troubles.

after connecting all my speakers (Energy Take Classic 5.1) I powered the unit on and tuned to a radio station to hear some music while i finished setup.
Radio comes through fine and sounds good.

I then moved on to setting my inputs for my DISH receiver and PS3. I was planning on running audio via HDMI and set all up that way. Here's the problem - when I switch to the Sat mode and watch TV, the sound either doesn't work at all, or will cut in and out as if there are loose cables somewhere AND everything sounds slightly digitally distorted. I then moved over to the PS3 and found the same issue.

My next test was to assign these devices to run audio over optical connections in case I was just having weird HDMI issues...but I find I have the same trouble over optical as well.

I also noticed when I go to the test tone menu it will cut and clip out the test tones before finally stopping sound all together after a little bit.

The really strange thing here is that the radio works - seemingly fine.

Does any one have any ideas on something I could be doing wrong or should I pack the thing up and send it back?

Any help is greatly appreciated!!

-Reggie

Check your speaker wiring, probably have some loose strands on your surround or back speakers causing a short.
post #1265 of 2810
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Originally Posted by CalifLove View Post

Hello all,

I was hooking up and testing my new(refurb) SR706 last night and am having a ton of troubles.

after connecting all my speakers (Energy Take Classic 5.1) I powered the unit on and tuned to a radio station to hear some music while i finished setup.
Radio comes through fine and sounds good.

I then moved on to setting my inputs for my DISH receiver and PS3. I was planning on running audio via HDMI and set all up that way. Here’s the problem - when I switch to the Sat mode and watch TV, the sound either doesn’t work at all, or will cut in and out as if there are loose cables somewhere AND everything sounds slightly digitally distorted. I then moved over to the PS3 and found the same issue.

My next test was to assign these devices to run audio over optical connections in case I was just having weird HDMI issues...but I find I have the same trouble over optical as well.

I also noticed when I go to the test tone menu it will cut and clip out the test tones before finally stopping sound all together after a little bit.

The really strange thing here is that the radio works - seemingly fine.

Does any one have any ideas on something I could be doing wrong or should I pack the thing up and send it back?

Any help is greatly appreciated!!

-Reggie

Since the radio sounds fine I doubt it has anything to do with speaker wiring, assuming the radio is playing through all speakers. I would send this question directly to Onkyo Support. I had a question for them and they answered promptly. Hopefully you do not have to send it back...
post #1266 of 2810
Thanks for the advice, I wrote to Onkyo support earlier - have yet to get a response but I have had more time to play with the receiver. It seems that even on Radio, the sound cuts out after a while - sometimes minutes, sometimes seconds after power up. I notice, when I power the unit on, the little fan inside shakes for a second but never really starts...same deal with power off. Maybe the thing is over-heating as it gets REALLY hot, so much so that is very uncomfortable to hold my hand over the top of it for longer than a few seconds. At any rate, I am pretty much sure the unit is bad... now I get to deal with RMA - yay!
post #1267 of 2810
Hello all,

This may be a stupid question but I was wondering if the 706 supports 24hz playback. I was set to buy it when I noticed the new yamaha's rx-v series have the following listed in there features:

Quote:
Supports Deep Color (30/36 bit), x.v.Color, 120Hz/24Hz Refresh Rates and Auto Lip-Sync compensation

I know the 706 has the deep color support but can it also handle the 120/24hz play back? I have a panny 850u which supports 48hz refresh and I also have a ps3, so will I be able to pass the 24hz playback through the 706?


-TheHiFiKid
post #1268 of 2810
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Originally Posted by TheHiFiKid View Post

Hello all,

This may be a stupid question but I was wondering if the 706 supports 24hz playback. I was set to buy it when I noticed the new yamaha's rx-v series have the following listed in there features:



I know the 706 has the deep color support but can it also handle the 120/24hz play back? I have a panny 850u which supports 48hz refresh and I also have a ps3, so will I be able to pass the 24hz playback through the 706?


-TheHiFiKid

Yes.

The HDMI is version 1.3, required to support Deep Color and x.v.color. 1.3 is also required to support DTS HD Master Audio and Lip Sync. 24hz refresh is supported by all HDMI interfaces. It is the native format for Blu-Ray (1080p/24). 120 hz is the tv refresh rate and has nothing to do with the HDMI interface.
post #1269 of 2810
Is anyone using DynamicEQ?

After running MultEQ per the "official" Audyssey thread, my bass sounds great.

It sounds great using THX Loudness Plus.

It sounds TERRIBLE (very bloated and spacey) with DynamicEQ.

My setup of MultEQ is described in an earlier post in this thread. I have asked the same question in the Audyssey thread.
post #1270 of 2810
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

There are reports the 706's THROUGH mode clips BTB and WTW video information.
For Videophiles, this is unacceptable.
However, YMMV.

Unfortunately, I will have to run my BD player directly to my plasma and hook-up the audio via analog cables to the 706.

WHAT?I have had the 706 since it was first released and i havent noticed any clipping at all.This is something new to me.I use the PS3 to play my BLUs and they look fine.
post #1271 of 2810
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Originally Posted by vid33nyc1 View Post

WHAT?I have had the 706 since it was first released and i havent noticed any clipping at all.This is something new to me.I use the PS3 to play my BLUs and they look fine.

It only effects a very small percentage of users, mostly who are using a computer as the source but even then the video card can be configured for it not to be an issue or when using some calibration utilities which doesn't mean much either. To the masses it's a non issue.
post #1272 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Is anyone using DynamicEQ?

After running MultEQ per the "official" Audyssey thread, my bass sounds great.

It sounds great using THX Loudness Plus.

It sounds TERRIBLE (very bloated and spacey) with DynamicEQ.

My setup of MultEQ is described in an earlier post in this thread. I have asked the same question in the Audyssey thread.

I use DEQ for everything and love it. I had to do some initial tweeking initially after running audyssey and turning on DEQ like turn the sub level down a few notches and also the surrounds after that I love it and would never use it without it. THX Loundness plus sounds good to but it's a set level and doesn't adjust the curve according to the main volume level.
post #1273 of 2810
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Originally Posted by Jakeman02 View Post

It only effects a very small percentage of users, mostly who are using a computer as the source but even then the video card can be configured for it not to be an issue or when using some calibration utilities which doesn't mean much either. To the masses it's a non issue.

Oh i see.Thanks for clearing that up.
post #1274 of 2810
I'm just curious, are the same people that complain about the BTB and WTW clipping the same people that use Dynamic EQ or THX Loudness all the time? I come from an audio background, and am not concerned about the video clipping, but I would only use a loudness compensation circuit if I was listening at very, very low levels. A few years ago I probably wouldn't have even tried using Audyssey, but I must admit, it does a great job for surround sound.

When I listen to CD's, I don't use EQ, I don't use Audyssey, and I don't use tone controls. I like it clean.

I think it would be funny if the guys that worried about BTB and WTW clipping had absolutely no problem with adding all kinds of extra equalization to their sound.
post #1275 of 2810
Anybody have a good place to buy a 706? I ordered my 706 from 6ave almost two weeks ago and they still don't know when it is suppose to come in. I had a guy tell me last week within a week they should get them in and now today someone told me 2 more weeks at the earliest! I got a really good deal on it from them (sub $500) and everywhere else I look they are >$600! I don't really want to wait another month to get it but for $100 or more I may have to. Anyone have any ideas?? Thanks for the help!
post #1276 of 2810
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

I'm just curious, are the same people that complain about the BTB and WTW clipping the same people that use Dynamic EQ or THX Loudness all the time? I come from an audio background, and am not concerned about the video clipping, but I would only use a loudness compensation circuit if I was listening at very, very low levels. A few years ago I probably wouldn't have even tried using Audyssey, but I must admit, it does a great job for surround sound.

When I listen to CD's, I don't use EQ, I don't use Audyssey, and I don't use tone controls. I like it clean.

I think it would be funny if the guys that worried about BTB and WTW clipping had absolutely no problem with adding all kinds of extra equalization to their sound.

I don't care about the clipping issue.

But the point I think you are missing is that THX Loudness Plus and Dynamic EQ are DESIGNED to be used ANYTIME you are listening BELOW the zero db reference level. It is not supposed to matter whether it is 1 db below or as in my case, 16 to 20 db below.
post #1277 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

I don't care about the clipping issue.

But the point I think you are missing is that THX Loudness Plus and Dynamic EQ are DESIGNED to be used ANYTIME you are listening BELOW the zero db reference level. It is not supposed to matter whether it is 1 db below or as in my case, 16 to 20 db below.

I understand that, but I'm just not a fan of equalization. If I really want to watch something quietly though, I use it. I never use it with music. I'd rather bust out the headphones and listen to it at regular volume than use any sort of EQ, tone controls, etc.
post #1278 of 2810
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

I understand that, but I'm just not a fan of equalization. If I really want to watch something quietly though, I use it. I never use it with music. I'd rather bust out the headphones and listen to it at regular volume than use any sort of EQ, tone controls, etc.

And that's they they included the option to turn it off, nice to have choices.
post #1279 of 2810
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

I'm just curious, are the same people that complain about the BTB and WTW clipping the same people that use Dynamic EQ or THX Loudness all the time?.

Nope, I couldn't care less about the btb/wtw issue, however I do use DEQ constantly when the receiver is in use.
post #1280 of 2810
Has anyone compared the sound quality with this thing, with PCM via ps3 for blu rays, and bitstreaming and letting the 706 do the work?

Any observations on that?
post #1281 of 2810
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Originally Posted by Jakeman02 View Post

And that's they they included the option to turn it off, nice to have choices.

I agree with that wholeheartedly.

I guess the whole point of my post is that people are making such a big deal about the BTB/WTW issue, because it's such a travesty that the video signal is being "molested", yet they have no qualms whatsoever about altering the audio.

I have to hand it to Onkyo that this receiver is so flexible, you can have as little or as much processing as you like.
post #1282 of 2810
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

I understand that, but I'm just not a fan of equalization. If I really want to watch something quietly though, I use it. I never use it with music. I'd rather bust out the headphones and listen to it at regular volume than use any sort of EQ, tone controls, etc.

I used to be the same way - just crank it up! But at age 55 I am starting to pay the price. Besides, if I play things louder than -15 db, I can't hear my wife yelling at me to turn it down. Wait ...... is that really a bad thing? LOL
post #1283 of 2810
Hey Guys.

I've been fighting with the 706 for the past 4 hours and finally jumped on here to see if anyone could help.

Frist problem is when I try and use the on screen menu. The picture either freezes, gets very blurry or turns green so I can't read anything. I have to exit out of the menu and get back in and start over.

Other problem is I have a Xbox 360 connect via component cables to the 706 and the a HDMI out to the TV. I have the HDMI setting on "through" and when I get to the xbox display settings, I can use 720p and 1080i, but 1080p wont work. It turns the screen blue.

Anyone know whats going on?

Thanks.
post #1284 of 2810
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Originally Posted by Dugout Doug View Post

Has anyone compared the sound quality with this thing, with PCM via ps3 for blu rays, and bitstreaming and letting the 706 do the work?

Any observations on that?

Well, since the PS3 cannot bitstream the lossless codecs it is not a fair comparison.
post #1285 of 2810
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Originally Posted by acpmadness View Post

Hey Guys.

I've been fighting with the 706 for the past 4 hours and finally jumped on here to see if anyone could help.

Frist problem is when I try and use the on screen menu. The picture either freezes, gets very blurry or turns green so I can't read anything. I have to exit out of the menu and get back in and start over.

Other problem is I have a Xbox 360 connect via component cables to the 706 and the a HDMI out to the TV. I have the HDMI setting on "through" and when I get to the xbox display settings, I can use 720p and 1080i, but 1080p wont work. It turns the screen blue.

Anyone know whats going on?

Thanks.

Can't answer the first question (although it sounds like a faulty unit), but the second one is easy - the maximum resolution with component video is 1080i. So setting the Xbox to output 1080p won't work because component video won't support it (not enough bandwidth). You would have to set the 706 to upconvert the 1080i over component to 1080p over HDMI.
post #1286 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Can't answer the first question (although it sounds like a faulty unit), but the second one is easy - the maximum resolution with component video is 1080i. So setting the Xbox to output 1080p won't work because component video won't support it (not enough bandwidth). You would have to set the 706 to upconvert the 1080i over component to 1080p over HDMI.

Hhhmm.... ok, that makes since....but. Let me ask you this... why can I set 1080p threw component on the Xbox and the my Sammy 650 reads 1920x1080 instead of 1920x1080i?

*EDIT* Nevermind, I was reading that my TV allows 1080p over component, but it's not really "ture 1080p".
post #1287 of 2810
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Originally Posted by primetimeguy View Post

Well, since the PS3 cannot bitstream the lossless codecs it is not a fair comparison.

Right, I was talking about using another player, bitstreaming. Sorry if I wasn't clear in that. Ha
post #1288 of 2810
I ran my audyssey last night and below are the results.

SBS - Yes
Front - 40 HZ
Center 40HZ
Surround - 60 HZ
Surr Back - 40 HZ
Surr back CH - 2ch

FL -0.5db
SL -4.0db
SBL -3.5db
C -1.5db
FR -1.0db
SR --3.0db
SBR -1.5db
SBW +9.0db

Speakers I have:
Fronts 2 Energy C-300
Center Energey C-C50
Surrounds 2 Energy C-100
Back Surrounds 2 Energy C-300
SBW BIC VK-12

The distances were pretty accurate except for the subwoofer which it said was 14.5 feet away (only about 10-11 feet). Also when I went in to check the speaker configs manually it had the front at "Full Band" instead of 40Hz and had "double bass" on. I ended up changing it to 40HZ and turned off the double bass. I adjusted the SBW to 12 feet and brought it down to +7.0db. I also changed the Center from -1.5db to +1.0db as it is a little hard to hear vocals sometimes. I tweaked the db's on a couple of the others but not by much.

Is there anything else I should do to adjust these? Do these seem like "normal" range numbers? I am assuming they have the sides at 60hz and the rest at 40 as they are smaller than the fronts and backs (but center should be similar to sides). Not sure why my sub came up as that far away and a +9.0db. Should I just turn the db down to 0.0 and turn up the volume on the back of the sub (about halfway now). Thanks.
post #1289 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bvsouthc View Post

I ran my audyssey last night and below are the results.

SBS - Yes
Front - 40 HZ
Center 40HZ
Surround - 60 HZ
Surr Back - 40 HZ
Surr back CH - 2ch

FL -0.5db
SL -4.0db
SBL -3.5db
C -1.5db
FR -1.0db
SR --3.0db
SBR -1.5db
SBW +9.0db

Speakers I have:
Fronts 2 Energy C-300
Center Energey C-C50
Surrounds 2 Energy C-100
Back Surrounds 2 Energy C-300
SBW BIC VK-12

The distances were pretty accurate except for the subwoofer which it said was 14.5 feet away (only about 10-11 feet). Also when I went in to check the speaker configs manually it had the front at "Full Band" instead of 40Hz and had "double bass" on. I ended up changing it to 40HZ and turned off the double bass. I adjusted the SBW to 12 feet and brought it down to +7.0db. I also changed the Center from -1.5db to +1.0db as it is a little hard to hear vocals sometimes. I tweaked the db's on a couple of the others but not by much.

Is there anything else I should do to adjust these? Do these seem like "normal" range numbers? I am assuming they have the sides at 60hz and the rest at 40 as they are smaller than the fronts and backs (but center should be similar to sides). Not sure why my sub came up as that far away and a +9.0db. Should I just turn the db down to 0.0 and turn up the volume on the back of the sub (about halfway now). Thanks.

You shouldn't second guess the subwoofer distance. The calculated distance is used to adjust the phase of the signal. Sometimes it's way off from the real world distance, but that's by design. Also the +9db calculated level on the sub is a little high. It sounds like you should have had the gain knob on your subwoofer set a little higher before you ran the setup.
post #1290 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Can't answer the first question (although it sounds like a faulty unit), but the second one is easy - the maximum resolution with component video is 1080i. So setting the Xbox to output 1080p won't work because component video won't support it (not enough bandwidth). You would have to set the 706 to upconvert the 1080i over component to 1080p over HDMI.



Not true, component is capable of 1080p, it just not implemented on may devices.
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