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post #1351 of 2810
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Originally Posted by qvantamon View Post

I'm having a similar issue on component-hdmi, but on my Wii. I nailed it down to something specific. It seems to be something to do with the component's sensitivity/reference level. Symptoms:

1) Highlights are squashed. For example, on the wii's message screen, you cannot see the envelope borders or the lines in the "paper". Other screens that are supposed to be striped in white/light color are also just white. anti-aliased fonts look funky because the borders transition too harshly into white, etc. It's easy to see this if you look at some snow photos - they all look plain white.

2) Any screen that's "too white" causes the receiver to lose signal. I know it's the receiver because it outputs the blue screen after the TV is done resyncing. Some examples on the wii are the white transition screens, the message screen, and any webpage with white background.

3) as soon as I "darken" the screen (e.g. press home button on wii, which will fade to dark) the signal gets back.

4) The signal loss only happens on component (either 480p or 480i). On composite the highlights are still squashed, but there's no loss of signal.

5) Even on component, it doesn't happen always. It seems to happen more once the receiver is warmed up. After reading your msg I tried a reset (my speaker was already cold), and it seemed to help with the dropouts for a bit (highlights still squashed, but no dropouts), but once it warmed up the dropouts came back. I tried resetting again to no avail.

What I presume is happening is that the white reference level/sensitivity is off, which could cause all light colors to be clipped to white, and real white to be off bounds. The upscaler may be able to deal with small "too white" parts, but once a screen has too much white, the receiver detects the whole signal as "out of bounds" and drops the signal.

You can try recording a disc with all-white jpegs (and some with very light gray detail, e.g. snow pictures), to check if your issue is similar to mine.

This is happening to me too. This is a great post I wanted to bump to the top. I'm going to do some testing this weekend. Mainly dropping the brightness and trying Auto, 720p & 480p.

Anyone else have any suggestions please post.
post #1352 of 2810
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Originally Posted by plusk View Post

My new 706 was delivered yesterday.It sure does seem to have alot of power,the last receiver I bought was in 1998.
How do you set the speakers to 8 ohm,it is only giving me a 4 or 6 ohm option?

Download the electronic manual. Then you can control-f to search for a specific topic.

Onkyo Manuals link
post #1353 of 2810
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Originally Posted by Mr Bookshelf View Post

Download the electronic manual. Then you can control-f to search for a specific topic.

Onkyo Manuals link

No, its much easier to turn on the computer, open up your web browser, log into this site, and ask everyone the question.

Sorry, but I have a real problem with people who buy something, don't bother to even read the owner's manual, and expect others to answer their questions.
post #1354 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

No, its much easier to turn on the computer, open up your web browser, log into this site, and ask everyone the question.

Sorry, but I have a real problem with people who buy something, don't bother to even read the owner's manual, and expect others to answer their questions.

Nothing gained or added with this response.

If the impedance of any speaker is 4 ohms or more but
less than 6, set the minimum speaker impedance to 4
ohms.


-Pg. 45 of the Owners Manual.
post #1355 of 2810
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

Nothing gained or added with this response.

If the impedance of any speaker is 4 ohms or more but
less than 6, set the minimum speaker impedance to 4
ohms.


-Pg. 45 of the Owners Manual.

The voltage is limited in 4 ohm mode, and therefore the power. The 6 ohm mode should be used for just about any speakers (unless you will be playing test signals at full output for hours on end, which would likely cause a thermal "event.")
post #1356 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Just got it yesterday? Have you read the owner's manual yet?

The answer to your question is on page 45.

Quote:
Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

Nothing gained or added with this response.

If the impedance of any speaker is 4 ohms or more but
less than 6, set the minimum speaker impedance to 4
ohms.


-Pg. 45 of the Owners Manual.

My actual answer was a couple of posts above. Its been a bad week.
post #1357 of 2810
Whskytangofoxtrt and Lvtdude
Thank you for your help.

I apologize for coming in here and asking a question about an Onkyo 706,I did not know it was not allowed and I did not know that this is Bluesky's personal forum.I mostly go to the speaker forum where it is a little more relaxed.I won't post again.
post #1358 of 2810
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Originally Posted by plusk View Post

Whskytangofoxtrt and Lvtdude
Thank you for your help.

I apologize for coming in here and asking a question about an Onkyo 706,I did not know it was not allowed and I did not know that this is Bluesky's personal forum.I mostly go to the speaker forum where it is a little more relaxed.I won't post again.

Hey, keep asking questions. While reading (or at least skimming) the manual is advisable, there are just some things that you won't get from it. The manual won't tell you that you'll get poorer performance from the 4 ohm setting, and that it's just a ridiculous setting for "safety" purposes.

I don't know why some members feel the need to try to scare off others. If you don't want to answer the guy, then don't. Simple enough.

Besides, it's not like you asked where the power button is located.
post #1359 of 2810
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

Hey, keep asking questions. While reading (or at least skimming) the manual is advisable, there are just some things that you won't get from it. The manual won't tell you that you'll get poorer performance from the 4 ohm setting, and that it's just a ridiculous setting for "safety" purposes.

I don't know why some members feel the need to try to scare off others. If you don't want to answer the guy, then don't. Simple enough.

Besides, it's not like you asked where the power button is located.

lvt-

Can you expand a little on the 4 ohm speaker setting on the 706 in regards to its power limiting? It was my understanding that the opposite was the case, at least in theory.
post #1360 of 2810
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

lvt-

Can you expand a little on the 4 ohm speaker setting on the 706 in regards to its power limiting? It was my understanding that the opposite was the case, at least in theory.

I'll find the review I read this in, but basically the 4 ohm setting is meant to limit how much power the receiver can produce, as 4 ohm and lower loads can draw more current and increase the heat produced. The 4 ohm setting basically limits the receiver's voltage capability so it won't cause potential heat damage to the unit. Unfortunately, this isn't so great for your speakers, as it increases the chances of clipping.

I'll post the link to the review as soon as I find it.
post #1361 of 2810
I haven't found the actual link yet, but this was written about the Onkyo 804 in Sound and Vision.

"The receiver's software-selectable impedance switch strictly limited output in the 4-ohm position to about 60 to 65 watts. At the 6-ohm setting, however, it drove 4-ohm loads to high power in 1- and 2-channel operation, with no discernible ill effects. On our difficult (and admittedly not real-world) 5-channels driven test, the TX-SR804's current-limiting protection circuitry kicked in within 2 to 3 seconds at any level above 55 watts per channel — not an unusual result for a mid-priced receiver."
post #1362 of 2810
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

I'll find the review I read this in, but basically the 4 ohm setting is meant to limit how much power the receiver can produce, as 4 ohm and lower loads can draw more current and increase the heat produced. The 4 ohm setting basically limits the receiver's current capability so it won't cause potential heat damage to the unit. Unfortunately, this isn't so great for your speakers, as it increases the chances of clipping.

I'll post the link to the review as soon as I find it.

Okay, I found it, but it was in a review of the 806.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/recei...w.html?start=5

This gives a very good explanation of why the 4 ohm setting is basically useless.

And, to correct my previous post, the 4 ohm setting limits the VOLTAGE.
post #1363 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Just got it yesterday? Have you read the owner's manual yet?

The answer to your question is on page 45.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Bookshelf View Post

Download the electronic manual. Then you can control-f to search for a specific topic.

Onkyo Manuals link

Quote:
Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

Nothing gained or added with this response.

If the impedance of any speaker is 4 ohms or more but
less than 6, set the minimum speaker impedance to 4
ohms.


-Pg. 45 of the Owners Manual.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

Hey, keep asking questions. While reading (or at least skimming) the manual is advisable, there are just some things that you won't get from it. The manual won't tell you that you'll get poorer performance from the 4 ohm setting, and that it's just a ridiculous setting for "safety" purposes.

I don't know why some members feel the need to try to scare off others. If you don't want to answer the guy, then don't. Simple enough.

Besides, it's not like you asked where the power button is located.

So three people (myself included) said to look in the owner's manual. Two even gave the page number. Ok. WTF provided a little more info.

I still say for a question like what was asked, it is quicker to look in the owner's manual. THEN if the answer there is not understood, come here and ask the question.

I think the answers/advice I have given to many more complex questions speaks for itself. Oh, well.
post #1364 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

So three people (myself included) said to look in the owner's manual. Two even gave the page number. Ok. WTF provided a little more info.

I still say for a question like what was asked, it is quicker to look in the owner's manual. THEN if the answer there is not understood, come here and ask the question.

I think the answers/advice I have given to many more complex questions speaks for itself. Oh, well.

Having been singed many times myself I know how plusk feels, but I don't think you were out of line. Every once in a while you need to remind people to RTFM.
post #1365 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

My actual answer was a couple of posts above. Its been a bad week.

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Originally Posted by kplex View Post

Having been singed many times myself I know how plusk feels, but I don't think you were out of line. Every once in a while you need to remind people to RTFM.

I guess my apology was missed too.
post #1366 of 2810
If reading the manual were the best way to get information, then reading a textbook would also be the best way to learn about something. Then we wouldn't need teachers. If he asks a question and it's inconvenient for you to answer then don't. I don't understand why it gets you angry that he hasn't read the entire manual, which isn't exactly a pamphlet, after only one day.

For someone that's owned a surround sound receiver before, the manual shouldn't be required reading for general operation. To learn all the special features of the unit, yes, the manual needs to be read.

In this case, I really think the answer the manual gives is misleading. The receiver doesn't perform better when you match the impedance selector to the speakers. It makes it safer to operate under ridiculous conditions. For best performance it should be used in the 6 ohm mode.

Telling him "page 45", kind of leaves that out, doesn't it?

Sometimes it is better to ask a person.
post #1367 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

I guess my apology was missed too.

You said you had a bad week. Is that an apology, or an excuse?
post #1368 of 2810
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

Okay, I found it, but it was in a review of the 806.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/recei...w.html?start=5

This gives a very good explanation of why the 4 ohm setting is basically useless.

And, to correct my previous post, the 4 ohm setting limits the VOLTAGE.

Actually, both your answers are correct.

A power amplifier is a voltage source. The impedence of the load allows a certain amount of current to flow.

I (Current)= E(voltage)/R (Resistance).

That is a little simplistic since a speaker is a reactive load but it is close enough.

P (Power in watts) = I (Current) x E ( Voltage)

So by limiting the power supply voltage, the output voltage is reduced, thereby reducing the current flow though the speaker load and thus reducing the available output power.

Useless? Depends on your point of view. If you connect a low impedence speaker to your amp would you prefer that it produce SOME power as opposed to trying to produce a LOT of power and melt everything?

This is characteristic of almost all solid state amps (lower speaker impedence results in lower power out). Vacuum tube amps did not have this problem because they used transformers to match the speaker load to the very high output impedence of the amp. Solid state amps have very low output impedences to allow then to drive the low impedence speaker load without a transformer.
post #1369 of 2810
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Originally Posted by plusk View Post

My new 706 was delivered yesterday.It sure does seem to have alot of power,the last receiver I bought was in 1998.
How do you set the speakers to 8 ohm,it is only giving me a 4 or 6 ohm option?

Quote:
Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

If reading the manual were the best way to get information, then reading a textbook would also be the best way to learn about something. Then we wouldn't need teachers. If he asks a question and it's inconvenient for you to answer then don't. I don't understand why it gets you angry that he hasn't read the entire manual, which isn't exactly a pamphlet, after only one day.

For someone that's owned a surround sound receiver before, the manual shouldn't be required reading for general operation. To learn all the special features of the unit, yes, the manual needs to be read.

In this case, I really think the answer the manual gives is misleading. The receiver doesn't perform better when you match the impedance selector to the speakers. It makes it safer to operate under ridiculous conditions. For best performance it should be used in the 6 ohm mode.

Telling him "page 45", kind of leaves that out, doesn't it?

Sometimes it is better to ask a person.

Read the original post (included here). The question was not about performance or safety. It was how to set the AVR for an 8 ohm speaker when options of 4 or 6 are given. The owner's manual is pretty clear in its answer in my opinion.

AVRs have changed a LOT in 11 years time (when the OP last bought an AVR).
post #1370 of 2810
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

You said you had a bad week. Is that an apology, or an excuse?

Its whatever you would like it to be.
post #1371 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Its whatever you would like it to be.

Well, I think it's crap, so I guess that's what it is.
post #1372 of 2810
let's argue about something different. Who likes the blue light?

Why won't Onkyo give us a cover for the front connections? Many other manf's do even in the budget lines. They wouldn't cost but a few pennies to make and I'd gladly pay a few bucks for one, even as a after market order item.

Oh and I'll side with Blue on this one. Easy to find answers should be looked up in the owners manual, that's what it's for and the ohm question is clearly answered there.
post #1373 of 2810
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Originally Posted by Jakeman02 View Post

let's argue about something different. Who likes the blue light?

Why won't Onkyo give us a cover for the front connections? Many other manf's do even in the budget lines. They wouldn't cost but a few pennies to make.

Sorry I got my dander up there....

I'm not a fan of the blue light. Darn good thing it's defeatable. You know, a lot of people seem to rag on the appearance of the Onkyo stuff, but I think it looks fine (I don't even notice the front connections.) Then again, if a turd sounded great, I'd be happy to have it on display in my rack....
post #1374 of 2810
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

Sorry I got my dander up there....

I'm not a fan of the blue light. Darn good thing it's defeatable. You know, a lot of people seem to rag on the appearance of the Onkyo stuff, but I think it looks fine (I don't even notice the front connections.) Then again, if a turd sounded great, I'd be happy to have it on display in my rack....

It doesn't look bad, I just think a cover would clean up the look a little bit and would be dirt cheap to produce. I had a marantz and hk in the past that both had the cover and I guess that's why it stands out on the onkyo so much. But yeah, that's not a big deal and not why we buy them. Oh and don't like the blue light either. It was the firs thing I defeated when I got it set up.
post #1375 of 2810
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Its whatever you would like it to be.

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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

Well, I think it's crap, so I guess that's what it is.

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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Actually, both your answers are correct.

A power amplifier is a voltage source. The impedence of the load allows a certain amount of current to flow.

I (Current)= E(voltage)/R (Resistance).

That is a little simplistic since a speaker is a reactive load but it is close enough.

P (Power in watts) = I (Current) x E ( Voltage)

So by limiting the power supply voltage, the output voltage is reduced, thereby reducing the current flow though the speaker load and thus reducing the available output power.

Useless? Depends on your point of view. If you connect a low impedence speaker to your amp would you prefer that it produce SOME power as opposed to trying to produce a LOT of power and melt everything?

This is characteristic of almost all solid state amps (lower speaker impedence results in lower power out). Vacuum tube amps did not have this problem because they used transformers to match the speaker load to the very high output impedence of the amp. Solid state amps have very low output impedences to allow then to drive the low impedence speaker load without a transformer.

Oh. Well, Ok then.

I won't answer the questions that can easily be looked up any more and will just confine myself to responding to issues like your concern over the 4 ohm power rating of the 706.

Works for me.
post #1376 of 2810
After a lot of research, I opted for the Onkyo TX-SR706. I am upgrading from a Yamaha HTR-5950. This is my first time ever owning an Onkyo product or any type of receiver outside of Yamaha for that matter. Godspeed!
post #1377 of 2810
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Originally Posted by tattootearz View Post

After a lot of research, I opted for the Onkyo TX-SR706. I am upgrading from a Yamaha HTR-5950. This is my first time ever owning an Onkyo product or any type of receiver outside of Yamaha for that matter. Godspeed!

You will not be disappointed.

Take some time to read the owner's manual though. There is a LOT of information there.
post #1378 of 2810
Hello All,
I recently purchased the 706 and have been using it with my PS3 hooked up with component cables. I had an HDMI cable out to my projector, and all was well. I just got another HDMI cable from monoprice to replace the component cable from my PS3 and am not getting a signal. I have gone through all the settings in the 706 and changed them to HDMI. I also reset the video settings on my PS3 to default. I'm stumped.
Neither of the HDMI cables are at fault. I've tried using my TV, to rule out the projector being at fault, and am not getting a signal there either. Am I missing something simple, or could there be an HDMI input problem with the Onkyo? I've tried all of the HDMI inputs.
Hopefully someone has an idea.
post #1379 of 2810
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Originally Posted by drewlp9 View Post

Hello All,
I recently purchased the 706 and have been using it with my PS3 hooked up with component cables. I had an HDMI cable out to my projector, and all was well. I just got another HDMI cable from monoprice to replace the component cable from my PS3 and am not getting a signal. I have gone through all the settings in the 706 and changed them to HDMI. I also reset the video settings on my PS3 to default. I'm stumped.
Neither of the HDMI cables are at fault. I've tried using my TV, to rule out the projector being at fault, and am not getting a signal there either. Am I missing something simple, or could there be an HDMI input problem with the Onkyo? I've tried all of the HDMI inputs.
Hopefully someone has an idea.

Have you tried connecting your PS3 directly to your projector or directly to your TV using HDMI to see if that works.
post #1380 of 2810
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Originally Posted by drewlp9 View Post

Hello All,
I recently purchased the 706 and have been using it with my PS3 hooked up with component cables. I had an HDMI cable out to my projector, and all was well. I just got another HDMI cable from monoprice to replace the component cable from my PS3 and am not getting a signal. I have gone through all the settings in the 706 and changed them to HDMI. I also reset the video settings on my PS3 to default. I'm stumped.
Neither of the HDMI cables are at fault. I've tried using my TV, to rule out the projector being at fault, and am not getting a signal there either. Am I missing something simple, or could there be an HDMI input problem with the Onkyo? I've tried all of the HDMI inputs.
Hopefully someone has an idea.

You said you set the PS3 settings to "default." What does that mean?

How do you know the new HDMI cable is not bad? Did you swap it with another cable? As was also suggested, did you run an HDMI cable directly from the PS3 to the tv or projector to see if the HDMI output on the PS3 is working properly?

Did you properly set up the HDMI input on the Onkyo? (Page 42 of the owner's manual)

Did you set the HDMI to "Through" or select a resolution to upconvert to as well as the other HDMI settings? (Pages 92 and 93)

I seriously doubt that there is a problem with the HDMI input on the 706. To be honest, it seems that there are more problems regarding HDMI posted by people using PS3s or XBOXs as their input source than anything else.
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