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post #1651 of 2810
5/17/09 at 8:10am
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Aww man..... I thought we were supposed to make him read the manual!!!

He still can--PG. 45

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5/17/09 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

He still can--PG. 45

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Ohhh, I love page 45. It's my favorite one. Page 27 is good, but 45...brilliance!
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post #1653 of 2810
5/17/09 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by Tybee View Post


I'm sure the 707 will come along in two or three months and make me feel somewhat silly, but if the 606 is any indication, I won't need the kind of upgrades it'll offer. Plus, the aesthetics and finance committees have given the go-ahead now, and who knows if that might be rescinded in three months.

I think the 707 is cut from the line.
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post #1654 of 2810
5/17/09 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

Aww man..... I thought we were supposed to make him read the manual!!! Bluesky will not be pleased.

I am just kidding, by the way. I think bluesky and I have put that behind us by now.

... ... ...

Yup.
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post #1655 of 2810
5/17/09 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

He still can--PG. 45

Everyone is happy

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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

Ohhh, I love page 45. It's my favorite one. Page 27 is good, but 45...brilliance!

No, the absolute best is the front cover, particularly the statement on the lower left of the front cover.
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post #1656 of 2810
5/17/09 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by qvantamon View Post

I'm having a similar issue on component-hdmi, but on my Wii. I nailed it down to something specific. It seems to be something to do with the component's sensitivity/reference level. Symptoms:

1) Highlights are squashed. For example, on the wii's message screen, you cannot see the envelope borders or the lines in the "paper". Other screens that are supposed to be striped in white/light color are also just white. anti-aliased fonts look funky because the borders transition too harshly into white, etc. It's easy to see this if you look at some snow photos - they all look plain white.

2) Any screen that's "too white" causes the receiver to lose signal. I know it's the receiver because it outputs the blue screen after the TV is done resyncing. Some examples on the wii are the white transition screens, the message screen, and any webpage with white background.

3) as soon as I "darken" the screen (e.g. press home button on wii, which will fade to dark) the signal gets back.

4) The signal loss only happens on component (either 480p or 480i). On composite the highlights are still squashed, but there's no loss of signal.

5) Even on component, it doesn't happen always. It seems to happen more once the receiver is warmed up. After reading your msg I tried a reset (my speaker was already cold), and it seemed to help with the dropouts for a bit (highlights still squashed, but no dropouts), but once it warmed up the dropouts came back. I tried resetting again to no avail.

What I presume is happening is that the white reference level/sensitivity is off, which could cause all light colors to be clipped to white, and real white to be off bounds. The upscaler may be able to deal with small "too white" parts, but once a screen has too much white, the receiver detects the whole signal as "out of bounds" and drops the signal.

You can try recording a disc with all-white jpegs (and some with very light gray detail, e.g. snow pictures), to check if your issue is similar to mine.

I have the exact same problem. Does anyone know a solution? Could this also be a problem with the monitor? Is this a product defect with this reciever?
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post #1657 of 2810
5/17/09 at 8:41pm
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

No, the absolute best is the front cover, particularly the statement on the lower left of the front cover.

This made me chuckle. You hate people .

You should consider quoting the cover in all of your replies.

Good one though.
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post #1658 of 2810
5/17/09 at 9:14pm
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

This made me chuckle. You hate people .

You should consider quoting the cover in all of your replies.

Good one though.

As a former professional wedding photographer I learned early to hate people.

Oh, and to keep things relevant, my 706 continues to provide me with the best in home theater entertainment.
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post #1659 of 2810
5/18/09 at 12:57am
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

This issue would occur ONLY when the 706 is used to upconvert/scale the incoming signal to a higher resolution. The OP reported that he has the HDMI switching set to "Through," thus there is no video processing going on so there is no chip overheating.

My experience and that of several other SR-706 owners (see earlier posts on this thread) suggest the opposite of your statement. Unless you have the precise schematics and flowcharts of the SR-706, I'd rather trust the empirical evidence.

Try playing Wii when the receiver is cold. If it works without signal loss, the problem is overheating. Must have something to do with analog to digital video conversion, as the problem doesn't occur with digital sources in through mode.

Install a fan and the problem is solved. Worked for me.
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post #1660 of 2810
5/18/09 at 3:20am
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

... ... ...

Yup.

Actually 2 mins after posting i did look at the manual and saw it stated 6ohms for 6-16..... Doh
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post #1661 of 2810
5/18/09 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by Behold81 View Post

Actually 2 mins after posting i did look at the manual and saw it stated 6ohms for 6-16..... Doh

Onkyo should've just labeled it 6-16 ohms and saved everyone that moment where we all thought, "Is this the right one?"
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post #1662 of 2810
5/18/09 at 11:09am
touché
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post #1663 of 2810
5/18/09 at 11:41am
Just got my 706 installed yesterday. Overall, very pleased. Sounds amazing. Trying to apply a lot of what I've read in this thread (and FROM READING THE MANUAL ), but still have a few questions. I'll start with this one:

I'm using the receiver with a Samsung LNS3251D LCD HDTV and passing it HDMI from my Comcast Motorola 3416 DVR (HDMI from DVR to CBL/SAT input on 706, then HDMI to the HDMI 2 port on the Samsung). For some reason, when I change channels, it resets my picture settings on the TV! After carefully calibrating my set, this is very annoying. The TV is constantly reverting from the calibrated "Movie" settings back to "Dynamic" (the blown-out mode used on store shelves). Moreover, it clears out all the contrast, color, brightness, etc. settings, so even if I go back to Movie mode, the settings still have to be adjusted. I've been reduced to writing down my picture settings and having to re-enter them in the TV every time I change the channel. This is no way to live.

Didn't have this problem when I was running HDMI from the DVR straight into the TV. Any ideas what's causing this? I should also add that I'm using a Harmony 880.
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post #1664 of 2810
5/18/09 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by Tybee View Post

Just got my 706 installed yesterday. Overall, very pleased. Sounds amazing. Trying to apply a lot of what I've read in this thread (and FROM READING THE MANUAL ), but still have a few questions. I'll start with this one:

I'm using the receiver with a Samsung LNS3251D LCD HDTV and passing it HDMI from my Comcast Motorola 3416 DVR (HDMI from DVR to CBL/SAT input on 706, then HDMI to the HDMI 2 port on the Samsung). For some reason, when I change channels, it resets my picture settings on the TV! After carefully calibrating my set, this is very annoying. The TV is constantly reverting from the calibrated "Movie" settings back to "Dynamic" (the blown-out mode used on store shelves). Moreover, it clears out all the contrast, color, brightness, etc. settings, so even if I go back to Movie mode, the settings still have to be adjusted. I've been reduced to writing down my picture settings and having to re-enter them in the TV every time I change the channel. This is no way to live.

Didn't have this problem when I was running HDMI from the DVR straight into the TV. Any ideas what's causing this? I should also add that I'm using a Harmony 880.

Have you tried running the receiver output into the HDMI 1 input on the Samsung? Maybe there's some odd thing in the TV that's causing this phenomenon.
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post #1665 of 2810
5/18/09 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

Have you tried running the receiver output into the HDMI 1 input on the Samsung? Maybe there's some odd thing in the TV that's causing this phenomenon.

Not yet, but I was planning on trying that when I get home. I used to have my DVD player running to that input and never had this problem, but who knows.
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post #1666 of 2810
5/18/09 at 3:21pm
Does your TV support HDMI CEC? This is the HDMI protocol that powers other devices in the chain on/off etc. If you have this set to 'on' on your 706 and your TV does not support CEC then perhaps your 706 is sending data your TV doesn't know what to do with.

That's just a WAG BTW.



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Originally Posted by Tybee View Post


I'm using the receiver with a Samsung LNS3251D LCD HDTV and passing it HDMI from my Comcast Motorola 3416 DVR (HDMI from DVR to CBL/SAT input on 706, then HDMI to the HDMI 2 port on the Samsung). For some reason, when I change channels, it resets my picture settings on the TV!



Didn't have this problem when I was running HDMI from the DVR straight into the TV. Any ideas what's causing this? I should also add that I'm using a Harmony 880.
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post #1667 of 2810
5/18/09 at 3:25pm
Actually, after thumbing back through the thread for my TV, I have a sneaking suspicion of what it is. Holding the menu button on the TV down either on the remote or on the side of the TV puts the set in "Shop Mode," the chief feature of which is resetting the picture settings and the mode to Dynamic every 30 mins. I know for a fact that while I was moving the TV around during installation yesterday, I pressed the side up against the cabinet and mashed down the buttons for several seconds before I realized what was happening. Bet I put it in Shop Mode then. Duh...

EDIT: Yup. That was it.
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post #1668 of 2810
5/18/09 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by Bacci View Post

My experience and that of several other SR-706 owners (see earlier posts on this thread) suggest the opposite of your statement. Unless you have the precise schematics and flowcharts of the SR-706, I'd rather trust the empirical evidence.

Try playing Wii when the receiver is cold. If it works without signal loss, the problem is overheating. Must have something to do with analog to digital video conversion, as the problem doesn't occur with digital sources in through mode.

Install a fan and the problem is solved. Worked for me.

As the OP stated and I reiterated, the OP has the HDMI set to "Through" mode. Through mode means that the resolution of the signal out is the same as the resolution in with no video upconversion or processing except A to D conversion if going from an analog input (composite, component, S) to the HDMI output.

Page 92 of the 706 owner's manual states:

"Through: Select this to pass video through the AV receiver/AV amplifier at the same resolution and with no conversion (default)."

Additionally, page 6 of the owner's manual states:

"HDMI Video Upscaling (to 1080p Compatible) with Faroudja DCDi Cinema Enhancement"

If the input signal is NOT being upconverted (Through mode), the logical conclusion per the owner's manual is that the Faroudja chip is not involved, except possibly to do the A to D signal conversion which would be a very easy task. IF the Faroudja chip is overheating just doing that, it is a very poor design.

All of the previous threads that I have read that were related to overheating (primarily the "blue-dot" problem) occur when the input signal is being upconverted to a higher resolution output signal. Additionally, many of the other problems dealing with signal input/output problems that I have read deal with Wiis/PS3s/XBOXs. I have not noticed any significant complaints of a similar nature from stand alone DVD/Blu-Ray player owners. I certainly have no problem with my Panasonic BD35 used in HDMI Through mode.

If you have specific evidence that points to the Faroudja chip overheating, I would be interested in reading it, otherwise I stand by my original statement. I have no problem with being proven wrong if that is not the case.
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post #1669 of 2810
5/18/09 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

Max resolution for a composite cable is 480i. Are you sure you don't mean component which would be 1080i? Do you know the difference?

Try setting the 706 to whatever the native resolution of your tv is and let the 706 handle the up conversion.


Unfortunately the Wii Maxes out at 480i anyway.

I have tried changing the settings from through to force a specific res and no luck. I already have a fan set up to cool the system automatically when it is turned on. Tried turning on the Wii with the receiver cold, and the same problem occurs. I see the screen for a couple seconds, then it goes to solid blue.
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post #1670 of 2810
5/18/09 at 8:06pm
The problem with the Wii losing signal may not have anything to do with the Onkyo?

http://digg.com/gaming_news/Wii_in_4..._certain_HDTVs

The forum here suggests that the fault is the TV/Monitor, or perhaps the Wii itself? Any truth in this?
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post #1671 of 2810
5/18/09 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by nirvanaman View Post

Unfortunately the Wii Maxes out at 480i anyway.

480p, actually.

I think I will either run the Wii directly into the TV or run component back from the 706 into the TV and pass through the signal through untouched. This would also facilitate using Game Mode on my panel on that input, which would have to be manually switched on and off every time if I was trying to route it via the HDMI (right?). In my initial attempts at routing the Wii through the 706, I can't get it to do widescreen (I assume I would have to play with the zoom menu, and that would affect the other inputs as well, right?) and the colors seem off.
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post #1672 of 2810
5/18/09 at 9:28pm
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Originally Posted by nirvanaman View Post

Unfortunately the Wii Maxes out at 480i anyway.

I have tried changing the settings from through to force a specific res and no luck. I already have a fan set up to cool the system automatically when it is turned on. Tried turning on the Wii with the receiver cold, and the same problem occurs. I see the screen for a couple seconds, then it goes to solid blue.

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480p, actually.

I think I will either run the Wii directly into the TV or run component back from the 706 into the TV and pass through the signal through untouched. This would also facilitate using Game Mode on my panel on that input, which would have to be manually switched on and off every time if I was trying to route it via the HDMI (right?). In my initial attempts at routing the Wii through the 706, I can't get it to do widescreen (I assume I would have to play with the zoom menu, and that would affect the other inputs as well, right?) and the colors seem off.

480p is only available through the component output of the Wii. The composite output is limited to 480i.

You probably have to set the Wii to output to a widescreen tv just like you have to do for DVD/Blu-Ray players.

I am at a loss. I admit that I am no expert on Wiis/PS3s/XBOXs. I am not into gaming so I am unfamiliar with their characteristics. When I have tried to look up info on the various game consoles on-line to try and answer a question here, I find very little useful technical information on their respective web sites.

The only other things I can think of that could be an issue is that the input sensitivity of the composite input on the 706 is 1 V peak to peak at 75 ohms. If the various game consoles are outputting a higher level than that, they could be overdriving the 706's composite input. Either that or the output impedance of the game consoles or the cables used are not 75 ohms, thus causing an impedance mismatch.
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post #1673 of 2810
5/18/09 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by bluesky636 View Post

480p is only available through the component output of the Wii. The composite output is limited to 480i.

Well, of course. Anything using composite is limited to 480i. But nirvanaman sounded like he was saying the Wii was not capable of anything higher than that, which is false.

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You probably have to set the Wii to output to a widescreen tv just like you have to do for DVD/Blu-Ray players.

This is correct, but I have my Wii set to output widescreen and 480p. If I plug the components directly into my TV, it works fine. But if I run the components into the receiver and use the HDMI to the TV to view it, it's 4:3 and squished. Not sure how to fix that.
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post #1674 of 2810
5/19/09 at 5:10am
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Originally Posted by Tybee View Post

This is correct, but I have my Wii set to output widescreen and 480p. If I plug the components directly into my TV, it works fine. But if I run the components into the receiver and use the HDMI to the TV to view it, it's 4:3 and squished. Not sure how to fix that.

Your TV probably has different apsect ratio settings for each input. Set it to Full on your HDMI input.
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post #1675 of 2810
5/19/09 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by Tybee View Post

Well, of course. Anything using composite is limited to 480i. But nirvanaman sounded like he was saying the Wii was not capable of anything higher than that, which is false.

This is correct, but I have my Wii set to output widescreen and 480p. If I plug the components directly into my TV, it works fine. But if I run the components into the receiver and use the HDMI to the TV to view it, it's 4:3 and squished. Not sure how to fix that.

Nirvanaman stated earlier that he was using the composite output so he is correct. You are using the component output so you are correct.

What Zoom Mode (page 92 of 706 owner's manual) do you have the 706 set to? I have mine set to "Auto" which tracks and passes through the receiver to the tv whatever aspect ratio the source is outputting. This is NOT the "Auto" under HDMI Resolution just above.
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5/22/09 at 7:29am
I'm now on my 2nd 706 and have a problem I can't figure out.

First problem was the sub-out was DOA, so I took it back for a new one.

Set-up is:
Sony Blue-Ray -HDMI
Motorola Digital Cable Box -HDMI
VCR/DVD -Component and optical audio

All through the 706 output through HDMI to my Hitachi 42" plasma.

The audio works perfectly, no problems.

However, if I want to switch from my Blue-Ray to my Cable (or the other way), I have to turn the TV off and then back on to recognize the video. I did not have this problem before I added the 706. It seems like a switching problem in the 706 (the HDMI board?). I'm hoping not to have to return this for a 3rd one.

Any suggestions?
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post #1677 of 2810
5/22/09 at 9:45am
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Originally Posted by COTJ View Post

I'm now on my 2nd 706 and have a problem I can't figure out.

First problem was the sub-out was DOA, so I took it back for a new one.

Set-up is:
Sony Blue-Ray -HDMI
Motorola Digital Cable Box -HDMI
VCR/DVD -Component and optical audio

All through the 706 output through HDMI to my Hitachi 42" plasma.

The audio works perfectly, no problems.

However, if I want to switch from my Blue-Ray to my Cable (or the other way), I have to turn the TV off and then back on to recognize the video. I did not have this problem before I added the 706. It seems like a switching problem in the 706 (the HDMI board?). I'm hoping not to have to return this for a 3rd one.

Any suggestions?

We can ignore the VCR/DVD using component and optical audio.

What was your configuration before adding the 706? Different AVR? Straight into the tv? Have you tried hooking everything to the tv and having the tv switch between HDMI sources?

First, how do you have each of the HDMI sources configured? My Panasonic BD35 is set to output 1080p for a widescreen tv. My DirecTv HD DVR is set to output native resolution at original aspect ratio of the program, also to a widescreen tv.

Second, how do you have the 706 set up for HDMI Output Resolution and Zoom Mode? See page 92 of the 706 owner's manual. I have my 706 output resolution set to "Through" so it passes whatever resolution is sent to it. I also have the Zoom Mode set to "Auto" so it tracks the input aspect ratio.

Third, how is the tv configured? I have a Sony KDL-40S4100 that is set up to track the aspect ratio of the input signal. It will also upconvert the HD DVR to 1080p from whatever resolution is fed to it (the Blu-Ray is already outputing 1080p).

It takes several seconds for the HDMI handshake to lock when I switch channels or switch inputs, but it always locks. I have read reports of HDMI handshake problems between various components. I do not understand why that occurs. Needless to say, I do not experience the problem you are having. Hope this helps and good luck.
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post #1678 of 2810
5/22/09 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by COTJ View Post

I'm now on my 2nd 706 and have a problem I can't figure out.

First problem was the sub-out was DOA, so I took it back for a new one.

Set-up is:
Sony Blue-Ray -HDMI
Motorola Digital Cable Box -HDMI
VCR/DVD -Component and optical audio

All through the 706 output through HDMI to my Hitachi 42" plasma.

The audio works perfectly, no problems.

However, if I want to switch from my Blue-Ray to my Cable (or the other way), I have to turn the TV off and then back on to recognize the video. I did not have this problem before I added the 706. It seems like a switching problem in the 706 (the HDMI board?). I'm hoping not to have to return this for a 3rd one.

Any suggestions?

What if you turn off the Bluray or the Cable box and then back on again? Does this work just like turning the TV off and on?

It sounds like handshake issue between the 706 and the TV to me. I'd make sure that all the HDMi settings are as basic as possible at first (immediate display off, control off, lip synch off, pass through, etc.) If it works, then I'd enable functions one by one to see if any of them are causing the issue.
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5/22/09 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by lvtdude View Post

What if you turn off the Bluray or the Cable box and then back on again? Does this work just like turning the TV off and on?

It sounds like handshake issue between the 706 and the TV to me. I'd make sure that all the HDMi settings are as basic as possible at first (immediate display off, control off, lip synch off, pass through, etc.) If it works, then I'd enable functions one by one to see if any of them are causing the issue.

I tried all of your suggestions, it seems like a handshake problem to me as well.

Turning the Blue-Ray off and on again doesn't work because by the time I can do that, my TV quits searching for the signal and goes to sleep. I can't change that setting on the TV either.

I can live with it, but it's annoying. My other problem is more annoying, but I'll make another post to explain that.
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post #1680 of 2810
5/22/09 at 11:28am
It seems there is no solution to the HDMI switching problem with my TV, but I think that's unique to my set-up.

New problem, when I switch HDMI from cable to Blue-Ray, the output from only the receiver to the TV is white noise. But if I put the volume on the TV down all the way and then up to where it was, it's perfect.

I'm again assuming this has to do with my set-up (now, an older model plasma), but is there a setting anyone can think of that might fix this? I think I've tried them all, but I'm open to suggestions.
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