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post #811 of 2810
1/29/09 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by spartacus_33 View Post

OK... someone please give me some feedback here....

I've been running my 706 with Loudness Plus set to ON since Day 1.

I just bought a kick a$$ sub (Hsu VTF-3 MK3).

After reading the manual, it states that if you have the 706 set to Loudness Plus ON... THX+DynamicEQ is not available, even with THX listening mode selected. I'm going to play with this, but I have 3 questions:

1) Does THX+DynamicEQ make that much difference to you?

2) How are YOU running your 706 for movies (those of you with a sub or subs):

Loudness Plus ON
Loudness Plus OFF

3) I'm only running 5.1. Do I need 7.1 to be able to use DynamicEQ? I'm getting cross eyed reading the manual. If DEQ is available in 5.1... how do I turn it on and off? I've scrolled through the listening modes and don't see it?


U should TURN OFF Loudness Plus, its not needed, Dynamic EQ proved to be much better, if u have Loudness Plus ON then Dynamic EQ is automaticlly disabled which is bad, They both do the same thing it was just tested and Dynamic EQ proved to be a much better feature, i forgot where i read it but it was in a professional review which i found on google.



Regarding CinemaFilter , i think they did take that feature out on the S706 LOL im not sure why but i guess because it sucks Music Optimizer is not present either right? (another crappy feature, it doesnt improve anything)
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post #812 of 2810
1/29/09 at 4:07pm
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

He is addressing the undefeatable video processing of the 706. You are not able to send video through the HDMI unaltered. Apparently the pass through mode only refers to the video upscaling. Video signals sent through the 706 are stripped of the BTB (blacker than blacks) and WTW (whiter than whites) desired by discriminating eyes.

I have connected directly to the display and to the AVR to compare and cannot tell much of a difference, if any. Although, this may affect professional calibration.

Personally, I prefer the use of a single cable and the ease of use of going through the 706. I can live with the loss of BTB or the WTW.

Ultimately, you'll just have to decide if there is a real or perceived difference personally. Tastes vary and I try not to get too caught up in specs.

I did learn that the 705 allowed for a unaltered pass though.

Hope this helps.



Spartacus:

I say "Try it with the Loudness off with that new Hsu sub."


Ya if u check stright through the display or through the SR706 u wont be able to tell a difference in PQ but if u use some measuring tools it will be noted there , it kindda sucks its not capable of sending the signal un molested but oh well..

The SR606 is stripping BTB and WTB too right?
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post #813 of 2810
1/29/09 at 4:09pm
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

its obvious the onkyo will somehow still mess with the signal even tho u set to it to through but oh well what can u do.. Hdmi is the only way to get PCM audio, i would have run my ps3 gladly stright to the tv if i could but its not possible to get hdmi video an hdmi audio from the same device into both the reciever an tv, i guess maybe there is a splitter out there but it probably will introduce signal loss..

I don't think so. There is not going to be "signal loss" with ones and zeros.

"You may see sparkles, the picture will have major issues, or it won't even display a thing. You won't get subtle degradation like with analog."

Any reciever will mess the signal, after, the signal is being passed into the recieve lol

I don't think this is true. There are a few chips besides the Faroudja that will.

One huge thing recievrs cant pass is WTW and BTB, thats a big thing we loose but oh well

Please see my comment above.

I don't mean to bust your chops, but c'mon.
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post #814 of 2810
1/29/09 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

Please see my comment above.

I don't mean to bust your chops, but c'mon.

What? Do you know of any good HDMI splitter that will do what i mentioned above(allow me to run video stright to TV and Audio to the reciever? If i could do that it would be really nice.
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post #815 of 2810
1/29/09 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

What? Do you know of any good HDMI splitter that will do what i mentioned above(allow me to run video stright to TV and Audio to the reciever? If i could do that it would be really nice.

I just got this http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 to split signal out of the onlyo to a tv and projector, it should do what you want.
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post #816 of 2810
1/29/09 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by Dugout Doug View Post

I just got this http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2 to split signal out of the onlyo to a tv and projector, it should do what you want.

Oh thats pretty nice but a little expensive, any cheaper substitues? thats exactly what i would need tho


EDIT: I just found this : http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

which costs 16 bucks but ppl in the reviews page there say it doesnt work, damn
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post #817 of 2810
1/29/09 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by ShoutingMan View Post

I'm also very curious about this, and am hoping to find clarifying information, as I look for a receiver and try to figure out how things are cabled in the HDMI world. Not long ago, I ran video directly to the TV source and audio directly to the receiver. HDMI seems a step backwards where you have to trust an intermediate device to not mangle your signal.

This observation on Onkyo's broken pass through comes from a Secrets review. Followup statements are in the comments.

This review of the 806 is the only review and only model that clipping below black was mentioned. The author even admits that it is a rather benign modification of the video signal, but a modification nonetheless. He still gives the 806 a thumbs up.
BTW, this subject was covered extensively in the Yamaha 663 thread and in almost any thread that recommended the 663. It boiled down to 2 views: the who cares majority and the shrill few who insist it is a major issue. Hopefully, those who care to argue over it will just go to the 663 thread and read that instead of rehashing it here.
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post #818 of 2810
1/30/09 at 7:22am
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Originally Posted by BMAG View Post

The reviewer is an idiot. The Onkyo and other AVRs allow you to pass HDMI signals unmolested to your video display.

I want to apologize for calling the reviewer an idiot. After reading the full review (which is for the 806, by the way, and not the 706) and related comments I now realize that the reviewer is in fact not an idiot. He is, however, nitpicking an issue which, as WhskyTangoFoxtrt points out so eloquently, most of us do not care about.
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post #819 of 2810
1/30/09 at 10:26am
Thanks for the clarifications. I don't know if the Blacker than Black signals are commonly or ever used for actual video and how much this would degrade image sent through the 806 (and its brethren).

I gather that it's technically unfortunate that the passthrough isn't fully transparent, but in practice it doesn't seem to matter.
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post #820 of 2810
1/30/09 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by lamonsasa View Post

Oh thats pretty nice but a little expensive, any cheaper substitues? thats exactly what i would need tho


EDIT: I just found this : http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

which costs 16 bucks but ppl in the reviews page there say it doesn't work, damn

Dude, I tossed around getting this thing for about 3 months. The price didn't move. But I had to keep unplugging an hdmi out of the receiver and switching it every time I went between the LCD and the Projector. I just didn't like that.

But it will do what you want it to.
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post #821 of 2810
1/30/09 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by Dugout Doug View Post

Dude, I tossed around getting this thing for about 3 months. The price didn't move. But I had to keep unplugging an hdmi out of the receiver and switching it every time I went between the LCD and the Projector. I just didn't like that.

But it will do what you want it to.


Ya im pretty sure it will, however there is indeed a cheap substitue on monoprice but the ppl who bought it say it doesnt work and thats nearly everyone who reviewed that splitter, it costs 16$ but apperentley doesnt work
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post #822 of 2810
1/30/09 at 11:23pm
I've heard a few posters talking about staying away from the refurbs on this unit..was thinking of picking up a refurb from A4L...any reason why I shouldnt?
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post #823 of 2810
1/31/09 at 4:54am
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Originally Posted by musikguru6 View Post

I've heard a few posters talking about staying away from the refurbs on this unit..was thinking of picking up a refurb from A4L...any reason why I shouldnt?

I have a referb from shop onkyo. First night audyssey didnt work. Next morning it did.

Perfectly happy since.
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post #824 of 2810
1/31/09 at 5:32am
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Originally Posted by musikguru6 View Post

I've heard a few posters talking about staying away from the refurbs on this unit..was thinking of picking up a refurb from A4L...any reason why I shouldnt?

I have a refurb 706 from shop onkyo as well - it has worked flawlessly.

Unfortunately the prices for refurbs from shop onkyo haven't even gotten close to what they were when I got mine.
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post #825 of 2810
1/31/09 at 6:18am
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Originally Posted by Allez View Post

I have a refurb 706 from shop onkyo as well - it has worked flawlessly.

Unfortunately the prices for refurbs from shop onkyo haven't even gotten close to what they were when I got mine.

ditto
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post #826 of 2810
1/31/09 at 7:09pm
ya the price of a refurb SR706 is 500$ , many places sell it new for $550 so its not much of a deal to buy refurb here.. ur saving like 50$ bucks but oh well, if it was still selling for 375$ or even 400$ i would have ordered it , i cant decide if i should give the SR706 a second go or just keep my SR606,

the idea of always having the Auddysey 2EQ instead of MultiEQ is whats buging me

guys, is auddysey MultiEQ which Equalizes the subwoofer aswell, does it make a difference in sound in regards to how the subwoofer sounds from your experience?
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post #827 of 2810
1/31/09 at 7:27pm
Ordered my 706 from 6th Ave tonight! Decent price considering, and at least they have a 30 day price guaranty.
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post #828 of 2810
1/31/09 at 7:34pm
Saw the 706 at Circuit City today - on sale for $719
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post #829 of 2810
1/31/09 at 7:59pm
Greetings fellow SR706 users...
I would like to start using my family's iPods w/ the 706. I would appreciate any helpful hints regarding set-up and performance.

(1) How can I make iPod sound it's best with our receiver?
(2) Manual describes plugging a dock (which I don't own) into the tape input. Is it important to use this input?
(3) Are folks using a dock (Onkyo or otherwise)?

Thanks!
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post #830 of 2810
1/31/09 at 8:24pm
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Originally Posted by srgilbert View Post

Ordered my 706 from 6th Ave tonight! Decent price considering, and at least they have a 30 day price guaranty.

For how much?
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post #831 of 2810
1/31/09 at 8:24pm
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Originally Posted by allez View Post

saw the 706 at circuit city today - on sale for $719


lmfaooooooo
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post #832 of 2810
1/31/09 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by headshrinker2 View Post

Greetings fellow SR706 users...
I would like to start using my family's iPods w/ the 706. I would appreciate any helpful hints regarding set-up and performance.

(1) How can I make iPod sound it's best with our receiver?
(2) Manual describes plugging a dock (which I don't own) into the tape input. Is it important to use this input?
(3) Are folks using a dock (Onkyo or otherwise)?

Thanks!

I considered an iPod dock for the706, but ultimately decided on a streaming solution.. We play almost everything in FLAC encoded files and am very happy that we did. It changed our lives.

(1) If you do go with the dock, the 706 does have a Music Optimizer function as I'm sure you're aware. I've dabbled with this and have found the results mixed.

It is my understanding though, that enlarging your iPod sound via quality speakers will show its limitations. I have no first hand experience with this.

Sorry, not much help.
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post #833 of 2810
2/1/09 at 5:36am
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Originally Posted by srgilbert View Post

Ordered my 706 from 6th Ave tonight! Decent price considering, and at least they have a 30 day price guaranty.

Bought the 706 from 6th avenue 2 weeks ago for my boss. Paid $520 + tax.
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post #834 of 2810
2/1/09 at 6:14am
As most folks around here are probably aware, the current Onkyo iPod dock gets VERY lukewarm reviews. Any better options?

What are FLAC encoded files?

Sorry for the basic question, but does the user have options when downloading purchased material from iTunes w/ regards to the amount of resolution/data/detail? I would, of course, like to get quality as close to the CD as possible. Or is this not possible w/ iTunes downloads?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by WhskyTangoFoxtrt View Post

I considered an iPod dock for the706, but ultimately decided on a streaming solution.. We play almost everything in FLAC encoded files and am very happy that we did. It changed our lives.

(1) If you do go with the dock, the 706 does have a Music Optimizer function as I'm sure you're aware. I've dabbled with this and have found the results mixed.

It is my understanding though, that enlarging your iPod sound via quality speakers will show its limitations. I have no first hand experience with this.

Sorry, not much help.
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post #835 of 2810
2/1/09 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by dudley07726 View Post

Bought the 706 from 6th avenue 2 weeks ago for my boss. Paid $520 + tax.


Nice, how has it been going on so far? everything works good?
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post #836 of 2810
2/1/09 at 10:19am
Hey fellow SR706's,
I was killing some time at Barne's & Noble looking at the HIFI mags. In the most recent edition, Sound&Vision magazine noted the 706 as one of the best new products of 2008.

That's kind of fun...
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post #837 of 2810
2/1/09 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by headshrinker2 View Post

Hey fellow SR706's,
I was killing some time at Barne's & Noble looking at the HIFI mags. In the most recent edition, Sound&Vision magazine noted the 706 as one of the best new products of 2008.

That's kind of fun...

ya

a really really nicely featued receiever
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post #838 of 2810
2/2/09 at 5:21am
Greetings SR706ers,
How many of you are using your 706 as a preamp for separate amplifiers? If so, how much of a performance improvement do you hear? If so, what amps are you using?
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post #839 of 2810
2/2/09 at 7:58am
SR706 Gurus,
I just received my SR706 a couple days ago and am therefore spending quite a bit of time familiarizing myself with the menues, options, etc. This is where my question lies - has anyone run into problems with displaying the menus on-screen? The menus appear fine for the first 10 seconds or so but then become scrambled. The TV will typically then loose the signal and start searching but will not recover. The display on the receiver itself is fine, but it would be nice to see it on the TV. Is this a sign of other issues not yet discoverd with my receiver? I am using all HDMI connections.
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post #840 of 2810
2/2/09 at 8:31am
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Originally Posted by Canuk32 View Post

SR706 Gurus,
I just received my SR706 a couple days ago and am therefore spending quite a bit of time familiarizing myself with the menues, options, etc. This is where my question lies - has anyone run into problems with displaying the menus on-screen? The menus appear fine for the first 10 seconds or so but then become scrambled. The TV will typically then loose the signal and start searching but will not recover. The display on the receiver itself is fine, but it would be nice to see it on the TV. Is this a sign of other issues not yet discoverd with my receiver? I am using all HDMI connections.

What type/brand of display and source are you using when you notice this?
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