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post #991 of 1529
This one was a fat model. He has two slims so I guess he could switch one in and go bitstream to get the receiver to display the correct modes on the front panel. His fat model does not have the sacd playback so I dont see any negative effects in swapping it out to the games room.
post #992 of 1529
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

I would try 12" first..
Then 10"..

It really depends upon the sub's enclosure and whether or not its ported or sealed.. Plus the sub's sensitivity..

A good test would be to run the software for a 12" save to Preset #1, next run the software for a 10" save to Preset #2..
Next compare and decide, also don't be afraid to tweak the settings slightly as well...

Just my $0.02...


Does this mean that each sub size has a default EQ? I am guessing that sub sizes have no impact when EQ is not on, other than low pass filter settings, right?
post #993 of 1529
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Originally Posted by bitemymac View Post

Does this mean that each sub size has a default EQ? I am guessing that sub sizes have no impact when EQ is not on, other than low pass filter settings, right?


Sub size is an input variable to the Room EQ software..
What I recall from our early prototype testing of the HK EQ software almost 3 years ago had to do with the LF rolloff point..

Just my $0.02..
post #994 of 1529
I have been eye balling the 7550HD for a while now. Can anyone confirm that the unit can send audio to both zones simultaneously and also different streams to the different zones from single HDMI inputs? To clarify, my current receiver can only send an analog stream to zone 2 and hence I run both an HDMI cable and a composite cable from my AppleTV to the receiver. I really hope that single (digital) HDMI cables will allow this flexibility with the 7550HD.

Ps. if anyone knows a good deal please PM me (I know 6av...)
post #995 of 1529
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Originally Posted by oceanjumper View Post
I have been eye balling the 7550HD for a while now. Can anyone confirm that the unit can send audio to both zones simultaneously and also different streams to the different zones from single HDMI inputs? To clarify, my current receiver can only send an analog stream to zone 2 and hence I run both an HDMI cable and a composite cable from my AppleTV to the receiver. I really hope that single (digital) HDMI cables will allow this flexibility with the 7550HD.

Ps. if anyone knows a good deal please PM me (I know 6av...)
The 7550HD has no special Zone II capability...
It can send XM radio digital streams to Zone II while playing a 7.1 in Zone 1, but for other sources for Zone II they need to be analog like the majority of the competition. If the same source is selected for Zone 1 and Zone II then it can be digital..

If you really want a new 7550HD don't eyeball for too long as their supply is very limited..


Just my $0.02..
post #996 of 1529
Thanks! I can live with same digital stream to both zones. As long as I didn't have to have double (digital & analog) inputs. This will seal the deal
post #997 of 1529
Ok I finally got my new speakers hooked up and have a quick q.

I have a 3.1 setup right now and a fat ps3 set to send via pcm to the 7550HD. It wants to run in logic 7 movie. Should I set it to something else ?

I noticed with logic 7 movie, I had to drop the center channel level right down to -5 to blend nicely. It said in the manual that it amped this up and it was not kidding. I have a big center so I dont need a bumped up center signal.

PS: I had the new 7550 up to +4 on Wanted ( 1st scene ) and it CRUSHED. Crystal clear and felt like I was getting shot in the face ( studio 100, CC690, Sub25 ) !! Love this HK AMP !!
post #998 of 1529
L7 is good, just go with it.
post #999 of 1529
Sweet. Thanks !
post #1000 of 1529
Ya, I prefer using logic 7 for everything except music. Still prefer 2 ch for that.
post #1001 of 1529
Heres a new issue for you 7550 guru's .

I am losing the first few seconds of a new track from hard drive or cd. If I press the back button, it plays the intro fine as long as playback has already begun. This did not happen with my 745 however, the ps3 has had updates since and I am not convinced its not a setting or change in ps3 itself.

I am also getting menu lag now when I select a song on hard drive or cd. Basically the xbm hangs for a few seconds and then goes to the content playback screen. .... then a delay and THEN the audio plays a few seconds past the intro. WTF

Thoughts ?
post #1002 of 1529
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Originally Posted by House of Boom View Post

Heres a new issue for you 7550 guru's .

I am losing the first few seconds of a new track from hard drive or cd. If I press the back button, it plays the intro fine as long as playback has already begun. This did not happen with my 745 however, the ps3 has had updates since and I am not convinced its not a setting or change in ps3 itself.

I am also getting menu lag now when I select a song on hard drive or cd. Basically the xbm hangs for a few seconds and then goes to the content playback screen. .... then a delay and THEN the audio plays a few seconds past the intro. WTF

Thoughts ?

No guru by any means but am using the 7550. Have you checked to make sure you have the latest firmware? It should be 4.43. Check that to see if it is up to date.
post #1003 of 1529
Updated for anyone who finds this in a search.

Changing the PS3 overlap settings to "off" fixed the audio delay. What an odd feature.
post #1004 of 1529
This is such an informative thread. I have been lurking the past few day reading and just joined. From what I have gathered this receiver on clearance is pretty much a deal of the century if it can be found. Basically the reason I joined this forum. Please forgive my noobiness.

Can any one shed some insight on would this be an upgrade compared to an older B&k avr 507? The reason i ask is i was concerned this would already be considered obsolete or older technology. I was ready to purchase today, went down to my local 6th avenue electronics and found out they closed all the New York stores. It looks like it's still available only and realize if I am going to jump on it I need to do it fast before they are all gone. Before the B&k I had a Denon 5600 that I loved. I always felt the 507 was a step down from the Denon.

It seems so much has changed in the past few years so any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #1005 of 1529
I have just started to compare my HK with the NAD 775 - I am only comparing in 2.1 - I have not really read any manuals on either or any calibration. The HK appears to have more power as it is louder at -10 to -15 dB.

In what I believe on both is 2.1 with analog bypass the HK seems to have slightly better imaging and sound stage on the NAD - the NAD does have the bass and lower frequencies more prominent than the HK - so vocals seem better on the HK (I need to do some calibration on the NAD somewhere as the basis set seems different than the HK.

The NAD is much more intuitive for me as far as set up - I am going to have to mess with reading the manual on the HK vs the NAD just easier to figure out on screen.

I have compared Matt Nathanson, some pink, Bruno Mars, Ray Montagne, Green Day, Kings of Leon, Men at Work, Marc Cohn - so far.

Both are great receivers but for under $800 this HK is awesome deal especially for music.

I am using Ascend Sierras with HSU STF-1 sub currently - will hopefully shortly have Ascend Towers with dual Rythmik 12" subs.

I will post more as I have time to compare.
post #1006 of 1529
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Originally Posted by surfcane View Post

I have just started to compare my HK with the NAD 775 - I am only comparing in 2.1 - I have not really read any manuals on either or any calibration. The HK appears to have more power as it is louder at -10 to -15 dB.

In what I believe on both is 2.1 with analog bypass the HK seems to have slightly better imaging and sound stage on the NAD - the NAD does have the bass and lower frequencies more prominent than the HK - so vocals seem better on the HK (I need to do some calibration on the NAD somewhere as the basis set seems different than the HK.

The NAD is much more intuitive for me as far as set up - I am going to have to mess with reading the manual on the HK vs the NAD just easier to figure out on screen.

I have compared Matt Nathanson, some pink, Bruno Mars, Ray Montagne, Green Day, Kings of Leon, Men at Work, Marc Cohn - so far.

Both are great receivers but for under $800 this HK is awesome deal especially for music.

I am using Ascend Sierras with HSU STF-1 sub currently - will hopefully shortly have Ascend Towers with dual Rythmik 12" subs.

I will post more as I have time to compare.

I used to own a hk avr 745 for four years and loved it. But I do like the NAD better. I even tried out the hk avr 7550hd for a couple of weeks from when it used to cost $1200. I could not find a big upgrade from the 745 so I returned it. I have the 775hd now and seem to think it does sound better than the 745. Don't worry about the volume level difference. I think NAD has plenty of power.

Do you have both receivers now?
post #1007 of 1529
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Originally Posted by surfcane View Post

I have just started to compare my HK with the NAD 775 - I am only comparing in 2.1 - I have not really read any manuals on either or any calibration. The HK appears to have more power as it is louder at -10 to -15 dB.

In what I believe on both is 2.1 with analog bypass the HK seems to have slightly better imaging and sound stage on the NAD - the NAD does have the bass and lower frequencies more prominent than the HK - so vocals seem better on the HK (I need to do some calibration on the NAD somewhere as the basis set seems different than the HK.

The NAD is much more intuitive for me as far as set up - I am going to have to mess with reading the manual on the HK vs the NAD just easier to figure out on screen.

I have compared Matt Nathanson, some pink, Bruno Mars, Ray Montagne, Green Day, Kings of Leon, Men at Work, Marc Cohn - so far.

Both are great receivers but for under $800 this HK is awesome deal especially for music.

I am using Ascend Sierras with HSU STF-1 sub currently - will hopefully shortly have Ascend Towers with dual Rythmik 12" subs.

I will post more as I have time to compare.

Great information regarding the 2.1 performance. I prefer listening to music in 2ch instead of Logic 7. Where did you find the HK for under $800? In Canada it's nearl twice that when it's on special!

emmsys
post #1008 of 1529
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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

If the same source is selected for Zone 1 and Zone II then it can be digital..
)

Ok my friend, please tell me where you got the above statement/info from...?

I just got my 7550HD and sitting here in front of it trying to send my ATV2 music to Zone II. According to the manual (page 32) no digital audio can be send to Zone 2. This was my *key* criteria for purchasing the HK so I am a little at a loss now
post #1009 of 1529
I have both receivers (NAD775HD and HK7550) - I love both - I have not decided which I like better - I have been doing some more A/B comparisions and I think that Men at Work sounds better on the NAD but Matt Nathanson sounds better on the HK.

I am not worried about the volume levels - just making a point that it appears in 2.1 the HK plays same CD louder at a setting of -10dB.

I do think the NAD might be more musical if I have the settings equivalent to the HK - but as far as out of the box - plug in speakers and hook up CD player (NAD515) the HK sounded better for a wider array of tested music except for Men at Work was definitely better on the NAD - I think the overall point here is that the HK is an exceptional AVR and a steal at the price it has been at.

I have only listened to the NAD in 5.1 and movies - have not done an set EQ etc.

I will do some more comparisons in 2.0 and 2.1 to see what I think/hear - also will get some other ears involved in some A/B tests.

Bommai - I have both and intend to keep one in main area and the other goes to the bedroom - What did notice as the difference btwn the HK and NAD? Also, how do you have you NAD set up if you listen in 2.1?

Another question is how is the HK set up if I have only plugged in speakers R and L front with a sub - then hooked CD player in aux in front of the receiver?
I did switch from Logic 7 to analog bypass/stereo for 2.1 listening.

Also the sierra-1s sound awesome in this 2.0 or 2.1 set up with a HSU STF-1 sub.
post #1010 of 1529
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Originally Posted by oceanjumper View Post
Ok my friend, please tell me where you got the above statement/info from...?

I just got my 7550HD and sitting here in front of it trying to send my ATV2 music to Zone II. According to the manual (page 32) no digital audio can be send to Zone 2. This was my *key* criteria for purchasing the HK so I am a little at a loss now
oceanjumper
i wondered the same thing when i read m codes message. he's generally right on these things. i previously tried playing digital music from my atv2 thru hk to my zone 2 outdoor speakers. i couldn't get it to work. my eventual workaround was to run analog cables from my tv audio out on the tv connected thru the hk from the atv2. use the tv for the zone 2 input. works fine for outdoors.

hopefully m code knows a better way.
post #1011 of 1529
Thanks. That might actually work. I guess that way you could send any (digital) source back to the HK over analog to Zone II
post #1012 of 1529
First of all...i am from germany, so sorry for my bad english.

I get my HK AVR660 yesterday and i`m a little bit disapointed. I own three HKs in the past - AVR3500, AVR430 and the AVR445 and i thought that every older Modell is better. Here are my basic informations:

Room Size: 6m x 5m
Amp: HK AVR 660
Speakers: KEF KHT 3005SE


These things bother me extremely:

- No manual intervention in the EQ
- Crossover frequency for the subwoofer is always 100hz (KEF suggest 120hz)
- Not very sensible operation without a display (bass/treble)
- No MP3 enhancers such as the 360/460
- Very noisy fan
- Lighting control only on/off and power LED always is at full power)
- Some connections may not be renamed (USB)
- Included BridgeII is not right with the Iphone4
- No status symbols in the display (though visible on the product photos of HK)
- MP3 title and status bar only a few characters
- When switching between Network an other Sources sometimes i have no Picture when i go back to Network. Only a restart helps.
- Reading Files from Network is realy slow
- With the Remote of the second Zone you could not Change Songs in Network Connection.

Sound is when the EQ is on much "thinner" than with EQ turned off. In my previous HK's the sound after the measurement was significantly better...

What should i do?

cu

Dany
post #1013 of 1529
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Originally Posted by oceanjumper View Post

Thanks. That might actually work. I guess that way you could send any (digital) source back to the HK over analog to Zone II

I cheered too soon... It doesn't look the HK sends audio to the TV over HDMI. As such, even while my TV (Pioneet PDP-4360) has an analog audio out, I get no audio input.

@Atlavfan: I'm very curious how you send (digital) audio from ATV2 to TV (optical?) and then analog to HK... I assume you use the HDMI cable from ATV2 to HK as the primary feed
post #1014 of 1529
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Originally Posted by oceanjumper View Post

I cheered too soon... It doesn't look the HK sends audio to the TV over HDMI. As such, even while my TV (Pioneet PDP-4360) has an analog audio out, I get no audio input.

@Atlavfan: I'm very curious how you send (digital) audio from ATV2 to TV (optical?) and then analog to HK... I assume you use the HDMI cable from ATV2 to HK as the primary feed

oceanjumper
you can still cheer. its an easy adjustment. go to avr main menu. then system. turn on hdmi audio to tv. may need to turn off speakers at tv or otherwise mute. i have my tv set to fixed external audio out. can use for any digital audio fed to tv since it uses the tv's dac to convert. my atv2 is pure hdmi all the way to tv. good luck.
post #1015 of 1529
Blink of hope but I'm not there yet...

So, indeed HDMI to TV was still turned off. However, I am currently not using the "TV" input/output. Currently my AVR setup is as follows:
Tivo: HDMI 2 (Cable/Sat)
AppleTV2: HDMI 3 (Game)
PS3: HDMI 1 (DVD)
Popcorn Hour: HDMI 4 (Media Server)

AVR HDMI out goes to the media receiver box of the Pioneer Plasma. On the media box there is a "monitor out" with analog audio and video (composite cables). I was hoping to use this port out. On the plasma panel itself are also speaker connectors that I could possibly test (but then have the unsightly view of cables coming from the panel to HK)

Now, in order for that "HDMI to TV" to work, I will try converting my Tivo HDMI connection from Cable/Sat to TV.... Hope that will work!

Update1: Well, just switching over the the "TV" settings on the HK didn't do anything. I am suspected that the "monitor out" on the Plasma media receiver is not putting sound out (Update2: confirmed.... It will not put out video/sound from HDMI inputs). I have left to test the actual panel speakers (with unsightly cables) but now I'm running into the issue that those connectors use two wires and I don't have the proper plugs to connect these wires to the analog input of the HK... sigh... I guess I might have to keep my AppleTV1 just to have music in Zone II...
post #1016 of 1529
wow. i'm running out of ideas. guess i'm just lucky my sony tv will output analog audio from hdmi input. if what you want to do is play itunes music in zone 2 and you are feeding your atv2 via wireless there may still be a couple of options. would require the purchase of about $100 worth of new hardware either an airport express or a standalone dac. please let me know and i'll set it out. don't want bore others on the site needlessly.
post #1017 of 1529
I opted to just keep the ATV1 for now (in addition to the ATV2). There is a cheap (~$25) optical to analog converter but it requires power (and I have run out of power ports). I also have the airport express but, again, no power ports left around the home theater.
Long story short: also the 7550HD lacks the ability to send digital to Zone II.
I am contemplating returning the unit as overall I'm not too impressed.
post #1018 of 1529
My 7550 died last night ..sort of. It still turns on, and I can listen to analog, SPDIF or even USB or Bridge sources - but no video at all. All HDMI inputs (and output) are dead.
The front panel controls are inoperable except the navigation controls on tuner, USB and Bridge sources (and power/volume). Source can only be changed using the remote. No AVR settings can be changed, the AVR, Info, Audio Effects, Video Effects, Surround, etc. buttons do nothing on the remote or AVR front panel.

Zone 2 still works fine as does it's video OSD.

Any ideas? Was thinking maybe the VPU or HDMI board entirely went bad. Already tried the processor reset and letting it sit unplugged (multiple times), no success.

Under warranty, so guess it will have to be exchanged. Still a major pain!

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Originally Posted by Dany28 View Post

When switching between Network an other Sources sometimes i have no Picture when i go back to Network. Only a restart helps.

Have experienced the same issue before, and with several source inputs. Am using HDMI out @ 1080p to display.
Normally, if I switch to ANOTHER HDMI source then back (or turn it on/off like you have been) - it works fine. Not sure what the cause is.

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Originally Posted by Dany28 View Post

Not very sensible operation without a display (bass/treble)

Actually, this is very easy without a display once you get the hang of it. Just press "Audio Effects" on the remote, you will see the front panel VFD say Audio Effects as well. Press the down button until it says "Tone Control", make sure this is ON (default is off). Once this is on, use the same audio effects menu and press down until Bass or Treble are shown, use the left/right arrows to adjust.

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No MP3 enhancers such as the 360/460

The 660/760/7550 AVRs are older than the 360/460/2600/3600, so it's not surprising to see some newer features on the lower model AVR. Though released closely the development of the 660/760/7550 was much longer.

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Originally Posted by M Code View Post

... If the same source is selected for Zone 1 and Zone II then it can be digital..

M Code, I too would love some more info on setting this up. The manual implies this works only with 2.0 channel PCM streams, do you know if it can be through HDMI or only an SPDIF input? How do I select the 2.0 PCM stream as the Zone 2 audio source?
post #1019 of 1529
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Originally Posted by Dany28
When switching between Network an other Sources sometimes i have no Picture when i go back to Network. Only a restart helps.

Have experienced the same issue before, and with several source inputs. Am using HDMI out @ 1080p to display.
Normally, if I switch to ANOTHER HDMI source then back (or turn it on/off like you have been) - it works fine. Not sure what the cause is.

Today i try this with three different Tvs ( Panasonic, Toshiba, Lg)...if i change from USB or Network to any other source i never come back to this sourse. I think it is a classical handshake error...


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dany28
No MP3 enhancers such as the 360/460

The 660/760/7550 AVRs are older than the 360/460/2600/3600, so it's not surprising to see some newer features on the lower model AVR. Though released closely the development of the 660/760/7550 was much longer.

My thought was, that the series of recievers x60 should be continued and the 660/760 are the newest/best in this class:



cu

Dany
post #1020 of 1529
For those with the fan noise issue, did anyone find a solution? My one-week old unit (built Jan 2010) also has the annoying fan noise.

One poster mentioned that after the "upgrade" (March 2010 built) the noise was much reduced. I assume this upgrade was only to go from 1.3 to 1.4a HDMI but who knows what else got upgraded.

Did anyone ever try replacing the fan? (with a little more elegant solution than our over-seas friend did...)
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