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post #31 of 1286
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Not sure what you mean there, but in large reference quality rooms Audyssey is not the best option for the job.

This isn't my isolated experience.

How is that applicable here?
post #32 of 1286
Thread Starter 
Its very applicable. Ive used them in large HTs. I also happen to have a different opinion, regarding Audyssey, to the poster I responded to.

I use an AV9 processor and when it had to be moved out I used the 350 as a Pre/Pro to quarterback a truly world class audio system that consisted of a straight through arrangement of remote tri-amped Genelec 324As with 2 HTS6 subs. I expected compromise but The AVR350 performed more than admirably. Both were the only units tested that maintained total silence when using and testing colossal SPLs.

I hope the new AVR and AVP perform as well, for my new room
post #33 of 1286
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Its very applicable. Ive used them in large HTs. I also happen to have a different opinion, regarding Audyssey, to the poster I responded to.

I use an AV9 processor and when it had to be moved out I used the 350 as a Pre/Pro to quarterback a truly world class audio system that consisted of a straight through arrangement of remote tri-amped Genelec 324As with 2 HTS6 subs. I expected compromise but The AVR350 performed more than admirably. Both were the only units tested that maintained total silence when using and testing colossal SPLs.

I hope the new AVR and AVP perform as well, for my new room

1. It is not applicable here. The person you responded to was expressing his disappointment at the lack of Audyssey. You decide to tell him that for hundreds (perhaps thousands) more, he can do better than Audyssey??!?!

Umm no kidding, why shouldnt he expect it in a $4000 AVR?

2. How does your system have any relevance at all to someone who would like an option like Audyssey in an AVR? It's like telling him "you don't need that feature included, because if you spend EXTRA money you can get better performance!"

3. Where did he say that this unit sucks now because it doesn't have Audyssey? He was simply expressing his disappointment. (which is completely valid IMO) Can an Arcam AVR function as a solid pre amp? Of course. What does that have to do with Audyssey??

4. A "truly world class audio system" quarterbacked by an Arcam AVR? Gotcha. Oh and once again, what does that have to do with Audyssey?

You are all over the map.
post #34 of 1286
Thread Starter 
1. I simply expresses the opposing point of view that Audyssey does not suit all, and gave an example.

2. My system is applicable because I was asked why it was relevant to state Audyssey was not always the best option.

3. At no point did I say he said it sucked. I merely expresses a different opinion

4. That was quarterbacked by an AVP, and TEMPORARILY an AVR, while the Genelecs were cabled. The 350 provides the same level of noise masking

I am not all over the map at all. I simply expressed my opinion that not having Audyssey was no loss to me. Nothing more at all.

Lets leave it there and get back OT....AVR600.
post #35 of 1286
Here's an article on the new AVR600 just FYI.


Arcam unleashes £2300 HD receiver
YESTERDAY
Due to be unveiled at the 2008 CEDIA Expo, which opens tomorrow morning in the States, this monster is Arcam's AVR600. It'll hit the shops in November, at a price expected to be in the region of £2300.

The receiver is the company's most ambitious yet, and as well as decoding all the latest high-definition audio codecs, it has video upscaling and upconversion, five HDMI inputs and two outputs and 7x120W of power amplification.

It also has one of the first implementations of Dolby Volume, designed to equalise the levels of different broadcast media - so no more shouting ads! - while also giving volume-dependant tonal adjustment, making low-level listening much more involving

It's claimed that "By waiting for HD technology and chip sets to mature Arcam have been able to use latest generation technology silicon to deliver higher quality than competitors. Video Scaling and Processing for all sources is remarkable bringing even standard definition input close to HD quality.

"The new DTS-HD Master, DTS High Resolution, Dolby TrueHD, Dolby Digital Plus decoding standards are all supported."

The receiver is said to use a massive toroidal transformer and Class G amplification, enabling it to deliver 7x120W while still running "relatively cool". It has also been designed to transform into a high-quality stereo amp at the push of a button.

The AVR600 also offers three-zone operation and extensive control flexibility for custom installation, and for those of use preferring to keep out equipment on display has been designed with a cosmetic treatment deliberately at odds with the button-packed AV receiver norm.
post #36 of 1286
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Originally Posted by Woodshed View Post

Typically with properly designed acoustic treatments, you can correct ALOT of room problems with higher frequencies. Bass traps and correctly placed subs will help with the lower frequencies also.

A good professional custom installation company has all of the facilities to do a modal drawing of your room (or even do an acoustic design of your room, if you want to pay for it).

All of that being said, a good calbration done correctly should never "hurt" your system. And if a receiver like this is released for this price without some type of correction software, that is a bad thing in my book.

Very well put.

Frank
post #37 of 1286
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Originally Posted by Woodshed View Post

Typically with properly designed acoustic treatments, you can correct ALOT of room problems with higher frequencies. Bass traps and correctly placed subs will help with the lower frequencies also.

A good professional custom installation company has all of the facilities to do a modal drawing of your room (or even do an acoustic design of your room, if you want to pay for it).

All of that being said, a good calbration done correctly should never "hurt" your system. And if a receiver like this is released for this price without some type of correction software, that is a bad thing in my book.

To give you an idea, whenever we design and install a JBL synthesis system, we completely design the room from the ground up. Everything, all treatments, equipment, layout, seating, lighting, HVAC, control, speakers, screen, etc, etc, etc.

Then, after it is all done we come in with the JBL EQ system (ridiculous BTW) and calibrate it. My point is, even with the best designed rooms, EQ (if done right) can only help.

I used to sell Arcam all the way back when they introduced their first "alpha 9" CD player, and as recently as their AVR 350. They make excellent sounding products. Their shortcoming has always been not keeping up on the latest features. Mostly they attribute that to wanting to "focus on AQ" which can never be a bad thing. While there are hundreds of useless features on many AVRs, I have found that some features are excellent and should included in any AVR that is priced "high".

Thank you.
post #38 of 1286
Wonder will this unit handle bitstream or lpcm only?
post #39 of 1286
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Originally Posted by chazk13 View Post

Wonder will this unit handle bitstream or lpcm only?

Did you read the pdf at the top of the page?? it will bitsream everything.
post #40 of 1286
Seems like a great unit but $5000 CDN is too rich for me, even though I am a big fan of arcam AV products.

Guess I will have to wait and see if they announce something in the AVR-350 price range over the next six months. Upper limit is $3000 CDN for me.

Always liked the AVR-350 when I owned it and will probably scoop up one again as people begin to sell theirs off in anticipation of the AVR600.
post #41 of 1286
AVR-350's are only 1300 dollars new in the UK at the moment

post #42 of 1286
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Originally Posted by m@rkus View Post

Seems like a great unit but $5000 CDN is too rich for me, even though I am a big fan of arcam AV products.

Guess I will have to wait and see if they announce something in the AVR-350 price range over the next six months. Upper limit is $3000 CDN for me.

Always liked the AVR-350 when I owned it and will probably scoop up one again as people begin to sell theirs off in anticipation of the AVR600.


If you liked it enough to buy it again, why don't you have it any more?
post #43 of 1286
I switched to Naim separates, specifically with the Naim AV pre pro and a series of amps. The Naim set up was better than the Arcam for music but not so for movies (approx. equal).

I eventually sold all that gear to move to tubes and currently run the Emotiva DMR-1 (Sunfire Ultimate Receiver clone) and while it sounds good, still miss the performance of the Arcam.
post #44 of 1286
I would really consider this AVR at that price point just well made and it looks so good too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #45 of 1286
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Originally Posted by akhter View Post

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I pity the fools who will rule out Arcam gear based on a spec sheet...

I couldn't agree more!!
post #46 of 1286
Picture from CEDIA
LL
post #47 of 1286
It looks sweet!!! Now I definitely want it in black
post #48 of 1286
Finally an Arcam receiver with a reasonable number of HDMI inputs. I'm glad I held off buying a new AVR for an extra year longer than I planned.

Given the price, though, I think I might hold off another year until the stock market improves enough to give me the spare cash for one.
post #49 of 1286
The layout of the back panel on this receiver is one of the cleanest, most logical designs I have seen.
post #50 of 1286
Anyone have any idea what scaling chip is used in this beast?
post #51 of 1286
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Originally Posted by Audio 1 View Post

The layout of the back panel on this receiver is one of the cleanest, most logical designs I have seen.

+1.

They have actually thought about this! Notice how the power cable is furthest away from the speaker connections. The HDMI cables are at the bottom so they don't have to cross any other signal wires. Very nice of Arcam. Hope other manufacturers take this on board.

~hemster
post #52 of 1286
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Originally Posted by hemster View Post

+1.

They have actually thought about this! Notice how the power cable is furthest away from the speaker connections. The HDMI cables are at the bottom so they don't have to cross any other signal wires. Very nice of Arcam. Hope other manufacturers take this on board.

~hemster


I have this baby on pre-order already. This is definitely going to kick the assess of every receiver in the market.
post #53 of 1286
I loved my AVR 300 but got the hdmi/audio format itch and jumped to an Integra 9.8...

This piece of gear is really making me think of another switch....
post #54 of 1286
Do we know for certain what the U.S. retail price is for the AVR-600?
post #55 of 1286
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Originally Posted by Audio 1 View Post

Do we know for certain what the U.S. retail price is for the AVR-600?


Yes. $5,000.00 MSRP. Thank you GWB for screwing up the economy
Apparently there were suppose to be 2 versions, one with ethernet port with custom CI(5K) and another without(4.5K) but Arcam decided otherwise
post #56 of 1286
It retains at £2750 in uk not sure now i think i'll wait for the reveiws before making my mind up
post #57 of 1286
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Originally Posted by rded View Post

Yes. $5,000.00 MSRP. Thank you GWB for screwing up the economy
Apparently there were suppose to be 2 versions, one with ethernet port with custom CI(5K) and another without(4.5K) but Arcam decided otherwise

I'm surprised it's that much considering how the Pound (and Euro) has been dropping against the Euro.

No one know's about the scaling chip?
post #58 of 1286
Looking at the specs and trying to determine whether there is audio HDMI on the AVR600...
post #59 of 1286
Yes.
post #60 of 1286
Does any one actually own the AVR600 yet? If you do could you please post your experiences so far?

And what is the MSRP? Couldn't be 5k. The 350 was under 3k (CDN$).
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