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post #31 of 161
9/4/08 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

You will see offerings running in file size double BD to full DCI. The source for all content will be from the master before NR or EE has been applied and you should see a noticeable visual improvement in picture quality. At first content will arrive no later then BD with the intent of moving forward with current negotiations for same day and date. More later

Alan, this is truly game changing! New format war anyone? Congratulations - great news

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post #32 of 161
9/4/08 at 11:25am
I don't think we are jumping the gun . It looks like anice step up from BD and can go via HDMI.

Art
post #33 of 161
9/4/08 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by Art Sonneborn View Post

I don't think we are jumping the gun . It looks like anice step up from BD and can go via HDMI.

Art

and possibly simultaneous or near theatrical/home theater release is the kicker. Imagine inviting friends over to the HT for a new release
post #34 of 161
9/4/08 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by owl1 View Post

and possibly simultaneous or near theatrical/home theater release is the kicker. Imagine inviting friends over to the HT for a new release

That's the Big Daddy Butt Slammer. Awesome feature.
post #35 of 161
9/4/08 at 11:53am
Wonder if D-Box can get one of these and speed up their motion code release time table?
post #36 of 161
9/4/08 at 12:00pm
Content is King! Day and date would be the killer hook-up if it is possible. The fact that it hasn't been done yet (and knowing some of the politics behind it) is keeping my hopes in check.
post #37 of 161
9/4/08 at 12:06pm
Alan, what is time table for hardware and software/content?
post #38 of 161
9/4/08 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by Cinetopia View Post

Alan, what is time table for hardware and software/content?

Shooting for qtr 1 09.
post #39 of 161
9/4/08 at 12:18pm
Day and date would be great, but even within a week or two of release would still be killer.
post #40 of 161
9/4/08 at 1:07pm
Is the compression going to be a wavelet codec like MJPEG2000, or are we still stuck using outdated discrete cosign transform codecs?

I really hope the bit depth will be wider than 8 bits.

As long this doesn't turn out to just be Superbit blu-ray with DCI colourspace, then it's fantastic news.
post #41 of 161
9/4/08 at 1:49pm
if it is DCI spec stuff, then according to the 1.2 DCI spec I read, it is JPEG2000, but I don't know which mode or any other specifics.
post #42 of 161
9/4/08 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by tzucc View Post

I am interested, as the effective quality of JPEG2000 would have obviously be far better than VC1 or H.263 or whatever....

That depends entirely on the bit rate. JPEG2000 is less efficient since intraframe compression only.
post #43 of 161
9/4/08 at 1:54pm
Press release clearly states - "encoding standards including Mpeg2, Mpeg4, H.264, and VC1 at bit rates up to three times higher than conventional HD". JPEG2000 isn't a very efficient codec and given that they probably want DMR I'm figuring VC1 will be the choice.
post #44 of 161
9/4/08 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

You will see offerings running in file size double BD to full DCI. The source for all content will be from the master before NR or EE has been applied and you should see a noticeable visual improvement in picture quality. At first content will arrive no later then BD with the intent of moving forward with current negotiations for same day and date. More later

It's not April first. Hm.... Alan, are you pulling our collective legs?? This sounds too good to be true.
If this works with any HDMI 1.3 1080p projector count me in at once. Where do I sign?
post #45 of 161
9/4/08 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by mhafner View Post

That depends entirely on the bit rate. JPEG2000 is less efficient since intraframe compression only.

Yes I stated the intraframe aspect already, and on the bit rate, one would never use JPEG2000 unless it was for much higher quality than JPEG, and probably mostly in lossless mode, but who knows in this case.

Regarding the later post on the multitude of codecs supported in Alan's product, then what we are seeing is not a DCI delivery system, which is what I would have liked to see, but a sort of super SuperBit version of BluRay... is MY guess. I am still very interested... at the end of the day, if they double the datarate of VC1, the improvement may be very visible....
post #46 of 161
9/4/08 at 2:44pm
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Originally Posted by mhafner View Post

If this works with any HDMI 1.3 1080p projector count me in at once. Where do I sign?

me two. way, deep, in.
post #47 of 161
9/4/08 at 3:48pm
If the content is locked to a specific server, is there any reason not to ship worldwide? The cost is hardly an issue, since I dont see the price sensitive going down this road.
post #48 of 161
9/4/08 at 6:12pm
The additional information that’s coming will show whether this is a fantastic development or an incredibly fantastic development. In any case, this is the most important HT happening in a long time and much more significant than 2K content with 4K projectors.

We already know that it will have a much larger color gamut, much less compression, and a large screen optimized transfer. This is already great. If we also have 10 bit color and 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 subsampling, it will be better still. I don’t expect actual DCI content, at least not for any movie that anyone wants to see. This could be close enough to DCI quality that the final step of full DCI content would be only a modest further improvement. The main significance would be 3D DCI, but that would require a DCI projector.
post #49 of 161
9/4/08 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by hrotti View Post

If the content is locked to a specific server, is there any reason not to ship worldwide? The cost is hardly an issue, since I dont see the price sensitive going down this road.

I think there are licensing issues.
post #50 of 161
9/4/08 at 6:36pm
If we're talking physical media like hard drives, one could employ one of those re-mailing firms.
post #51 of 161
9/4/08 at 6:53pm
awesome... this new amazing new thing with huge promise shows up and already the discussion is about how to circumvent rules they will likely have to follow.

And people wonder why Hollywood is so reticent to unlock the vaults!
post #52 of 161
9/4/08 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by Dizzman View Post

awesome... this new amazing new thing with huge promise shows up and already the discussion is about how to circumvent rules they will likely have to follow.

And people wonder why Hollywood is so reticent to unlock the vaults!

Agreed 110%. What an idiot, totally lacking in class. The level of disrespect to those who put the effort in defies logic. Get that post away asp.
post #53 of 161
9/4/08 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by tzucc View Post

one would never use JPEG2000 unless it was for much higher quality than JPEG

JPEG and JPEG2000 are two completely different compression codecs. JPEG uses DCT compression like MPEG2 and H264 do. JPEG2000 uses wavelet compression, which has far less objectionable artifacts than DCT (no blocking and mosquitos).

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but a sort of super SuperBit version of BluRay... is MY guess. I am still very interested... at the end of the day, if they double the datarate of VC1, the improvement may be very visible....

VC1 is optimised for lowish bitrates, so there isn't so much to gain from making a superbit version of it. I'll be pretty disappointed if that's all this is, given the potential for higher dynamic ranges, higher chroma sampling, less archaic compression codecs, anamorphic compression of 2.35:1 material, etc that they could give us with this approach.

Although we'd all love to be able to buy DCI, I think we all are reasonable about the chances of that happening. It's just a shame to see a repeat of most of the shortcomings of blu-ray when blu-ray shouldn't have had them in the first place.
post #54 of 161
9/4/08 at 8:29pm
Wow! Really looking forward to more details, when will pricing be announced?
post #55 of 161
9/4/08 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Not bad at all. The server will cost more then a pack of battery's for your remote but cheaper then most mid priced projectors. More to come.

Content will be pre ordered via an ordering web page. The content will come keyed to your server.

Well, I definitely want to be subscribed to the thread now.

*subscribed*
post #56 of 161
9/4/08 at 9:36pm
There is a valid point about geographical distribution though. I'll soon be living in Toronto and would like to know if it would be available in the great white north.
post #57 of 161
9/5/08 at 1:33am
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

I think there are licensing issues.

So people not living in US are out of luck?
post #58 of 161
9/5/08 at 1:43am
Lack of DNR and EE would make this worth it for me, but only if the following issues were addressed:

- Audio output over HDMI. I don't want to go through a round of A/D/A conversion.

- Permanent keys. I would not be interested in renting movies with keys expiring after a short while.

Anybody knows about that?
post #59 of 161
9/5/08 at 3:30am
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Originally Posted by mhafner View Post

So people not living in US are out of luck?

Lets hope not.
post #60 of 161
9/5/08 at 4:24am
Ditto! That's great news Alan, but do not forget the rest of the world!
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