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post #31 of 1639
10/25/08 at 6:28pm
I wonder if it's a good idea to pair 6100/7100 with a 72" HC gray screen, or should i just get the mitsu 5500?

The question is if dark material such as Firehawk G3 will like high lumens output projectors?

I suspect the tw3800/7100 has the organic D7 panel, while the HC5500 has inorganic D6 and has a little better scaler.
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post #32 of 1639
10/25/08 at 8:59pm
jienn -- All of those projectors have more than enough lumen output for any 72" diagonal screen. The output only gets marginal with screens that are over 110" diagonal (96" x 54").
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post #33 of 1639
10/26/08 at 4:34pm
That is true... forgot to mention i will have some ambient light on , and with white walls and ceiling.

Should i go for the 7100 with 1300 lumen in eco mode and "correct" colors. Or should i get Mitsu 5500 or Sanyo Z700 that has 500-600 lumens calibrated?

6100/7100: negative: huge, pixelworks scaler worse than reon VX, bit more expensive, organic D7. Positive: Current gen, high lumen with good colors, 1:20 000 contrast ratio, ISF certified for calibration, lens shift, 3 year warranty on both lamp and proj.

HC5500: Negative: Need to re-arrange furniture badly. Positive: small, Reon VX, good price, relatively bright, D6 inorganic!

Sanyo: Negative: Bit large, worse contrast, pixelworks scaler(?). Positive: Very nice for the price, lens shift, dust blower, quiet.
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post #34 of 1639
10/28/08 at 10:38am
They have this in stock at my local BB. I am waiting for a decent review on this unit before I pick it up. Might not be a bad deal with a 12% off coupon.
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post #35 of 1639
10/28/08 at 12:32pm
jeremyv -- You can buy it for less money from just about any authorized online dealer.
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post #36 of 1639
10/31/08 at 5:41am
Does anyone know when Projectorreviews said they would do a review on this one?
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post #37 of 1639
11/2/08 at 11:55am
Anyone have the 6100 yet?

Was measuring this thing (actually 6500) for the top of my rack where now sits the Powerlite 1080 and Panamorph UH380 anamorphic lens. Best Buy lists the depth as 17.7" which is too big to fit both projector and lens but going to the Epson site it says 14.2" depth, quite a difference. That will work!! Also the widths and heights are different on each site, I'm just hoping Epson's info is right.

Looking forward to reviews on the 6100 and 6500.
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post #38 of 1639
11/6/08 at 4:37pm
Just saw BB has the 6100 on sale for $1899. With a 12% coupon that would put it at $1671. A pretty good deal I think. Surprised no one has snatched one up.
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post #39 of 1639
11/7/08 at 2:54am
12% is off retail prices not sale prices. Since price talk is a no no you can figure it out yourself. MSRP is 1999.99
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post #40 of 1639
11/7/08 at 6:26am
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Originally Posted by Mauldie View Post

12% is off retail prices not sale prices. Since price talk is a no no you can figure it out yourself. MSRP is 1999.99

For point-of-sale items in-store I've been legitimately stacking 12% off coupons on top of sale prices at BB for years...I present the item for purchase, show the RZ card and the 12% coupon.
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post #41 of 1639
11/7/08 at 7:20am
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For point-of-sale items in-store I've been legitimately stacking 12% off coupons on top of sale prices at BB for years...I present the item for purchase, show the RZ card and the 12% coupon.

Same here. I negotiated 10% off msrp on my Sony S-550 BluRay without a coupon just for being a loyal customer. Then I ended up buying several BluRays and spending a bunch more so everyone was happy.

Sorry about the price discussion, seemed everyone else was yacking about price in many other threads including rebates, internet sales, on and on.
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post #42 of 1639
11/7/08 at 1:23pm
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Originally Posted by Samfield View Post

For point-of-sale items in-store I've been legitimately stacking 12% off coupons on top of sale prices at BB for years...I present the item for purchase, show the RZ card and the 12% coupon.

Right well then thats them going over but if they scan the upc from the coupon its only going to do the difference...not the sale price. If someone over rides it thats a totally different matter.
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post #43 of 1639
11/7/08 at 7:12pm
Bestbuy.com backordered.

I can't believe nobody owns this yet???
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post #44 of 1639
11/8/08 at 9:41am
If you you had a choice between putting up an Optoma hd71 (2400 lumens), or a HC6100 (1800 lumens) for a dissplay in horrible lighting conditions which one would you use? Go for the brighter unit or the 1080P thats still pretty bright?
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post #45 of 1639
11/8/08 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by combatinfbadge View Post

If you you had a choice between putting up an Optoma hd71 (2400 lumens), or a HC6100 (2000 lumens) for a dissplay in horrible lighting conditions which one would you use? Go for the brighter unit or the 1080P thats still pretty bright?

I'd want the pj based on features and brightness, keep in mind the stated brightness is not always what the actual numbers are. For instance, my optoma HD70 is rated at 1000 lumens, but has been tested to put out a maximum of around 760 in its brightest modes. Many pjs fall short of their stated claims. I think the new AE3000 panny is rated at 1600 lumens, but puts out at its highest 1250. I'm not sure what your mentioned ones put out.

Also look at bulb replacement cost, reliability, and features each one has, because if its bright doesn't mean it will look better. I'd much rather go with the epson 6100 over either of the 720p pjs anyday. The picture should be better and your getting more features and 1080p for not much more in price increase. The price should only be around 5-600 bucks more than the HC1600.

I can watch my HD70 during the daytime, so I'm guessing the 6100 will do just fine as well.
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post #46 of 1639
11/8/08 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by d james View Post

I'd want the pj based on features and brightness, keep in mind the stated brightness is not always what the actual numbers are. For instance, my optoma HD70 is rated at 1000 lumens, but has been tested to put out a maximum of around 760 in its brightest modes. Many pjs fall short of their stated claims. I think the new AE3000 panny is rated at 1600 lumens, but puts out at its highest 1250. I'm not sure what your mentioned ones put out.

I recall that Epson's historically have not overstated the lumens as much as other companies. Meaning that Epson's 1800 lumens would be brighter than say a Panasonic's 1800 lumens.

I have a Panasonic ax100 which has 2000 lumens and it is plenty bright (in normal eco mode) even with lots of ambient light so I'd guess that the Epson's 1800 lumens would be just fine.
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post #47 of 1639
11/9/08 at 9:17am
It's true that Epson tends to understate their maximum lumen output, however, the Panasonics tend to have higher lumen output in their better calibrated mode. In Germany, Epson is selling the new model lineup ( the HC6100 is the TW3800 over there ) with an external filter to correct colour at high lumen levels. They call the new line their 'Light Power Edition'. Unfortunatly, it seems Espon Germany is the only country that's selling the projectors with this filter.

Here's a translated cine4home article.

http://translate.google.com/translat...-8&sl=de&tl=en

scroll down to the Epson TW3800 EH-Light Power Edition: The light gun for the living room? article.

quote from the translation;

EH-TW3800 Light Power with the additional external filters to 1700Lumen with good color, even in Eco-mode, he is still a light cannon with about 1300Lumen.

Hopfully Epson, or some 3rd party, will make this filter available in North America. 1700 'pretty well calibrated' lumens sounds pretty tasty!

Jonathan
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post #48 of 1639
11/9/08 at 12:34pm
The thing is this not for a home setup. This is more to give someone the feeling of the size you get with projos. The lighting is really harsh and I was thinking the added brightness of the optoma would be more important than the rez for display purposes.
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post #49 of 1639
11/15/08 at 9:00pm
Hey guys,

This is my first post and I would like to say thanks to AVS and it's members for providing great information and input regarding everything HT. I have been researching projectors for the past two years and finally decided to make the purchase. I tried the Epson HC720 last month(I couldn't refuse the offer), but returned it after reading all of the improvements Epson was incorporating into this year's new models(chassis, lamp, etc). The HC720 is a great projector and I wish the best to it's owners.

So now for the HC6100. I picked up the projector tonight from BB but I won't have it setup until tomorrow. FYI - if you're using the BB website to determine if a location in your area has the projector in-stock, then call the store(the website only shows in-stock quantity if that particular store has more than five units). I will provide some feedback following a decent amount of viewing time as well as a comparision to the HC720. Please also let me know if you guys need any questions answered or info confirmed about the projector.


Scott
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post #50 of 1639
11/16/08 at 4:15pm
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Originally Posted by SF-1 View Post

Hey guys,

This is my first post and I would like to say thanks to AVS and it's members for providing great information and input regarding everything HT. I have been researching projectors for the past two years and finally decided to make the purchase. I tried the Epson HC720 last month(I couldn't refuse the offer), but returned it after reading all of the improvements Epson was incorporating into this year's new models(chassis, lamp, etc). The HC720 is a great projector and I wish the best to it's owners.

So now for the HC6100. I picked up the projector tonight from BB but I won't have it setup until tomorrow. FYI - if you're using the BB website to determine if a location in your area has the projector in-stock, then call the store(the website only shows in-stock quantity if that particular store has more than five units). I will provide some feedback following a decent amount of viewing time as well as a comparision to the HC720. Please also let me know if you guys need any questions answered or info confirmed about the projector.


Scott

Scott - Looking forward to hearing your first impressions. I think you're the first one on this forum to get one of the new Epsons.
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post #51 of 1639
11/16/08 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by SF-1 View Post

Hey guys,

This is my first post and I would like to say thanks to AVS and it's members for providing great information and input regarding everything HT. I have been researching projectors for the past two years and finally decided to make the purchase. I tried the Epson HC720 last month(I couldn't refuse the offer), but returned it after reading all of the improvements Epson was incorporating into this year's new models(chassis, lamp, etc). The HC720 is a great projector and I wish the best to it's owners.

So now for the HC6100. I picked up the projector tonight from BB but I won't have it setup until tomorrow. FYI - if you're using the BB website to determine if a location in your area has the projector in-stock, then call the store(the website only shows in-stock quantity if that particular store has more than five units). I will provide some feedback following a decent amount of viewing time as well as a comparision to the HC720. Please also let me know if you guys need any questions answered or info confirmed about the projector.


Scott

Great! I've been waiting for a review on this thing. I'd like to know how the contrast compares to the old unit, but that may be hard to tell without having it side by side. I'm curious on what kind of improvement you see far as pq goes and if the upscaling on SD dvds are any better.
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post #52 of 1639
11/17/08 at 3:41pm
Nice video review of the 6100, and pretty educational as well.

http://vimeo.com/2036446
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post #53 of 1639
11/17/08 at 5:50pm
More funny than educational. Going from bragging about 2000:1 to ridiculing full on/off contrast numbers within minutes - what's going on in his head? The 6100 looks huge.
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post #54 of 1639
11/17/08 at 7:21pm
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More funny than educational. Going from bragging about 2000:1 to ridiculing full on/off contrast numbers within minutes - what's going on in his head? The 6100 looks huge.

Thats what I was thinking. I was waiting for someone to ask if 800:1 is the human eye, why do we need to spend extra on 18000:1. I assume though the number is refering to the ANSI number. Those people didn't ask any questions, what a bunch of lameos, I would've been curious about many aspects of that new pj.

I wonder if having the crystals start off closed actually does something for the picture that is noticable, or if its a way to inflate contrast ratio
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post #55 of 1639
11/18/08 at 5:30am
SF-1, I'm very interested to see how this projector performs, since I pre-ordered the tw3800 here in EU.

Is the PQ in lens-shift good? How does PJ compare to the higher end PJs? Is it worth the price?

Is it for sure a organic D7 panel? I don't think it has been confirmed yet.
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post #56 of 1639
11/18/08 at 8:41am
The Epson guy in the video seems to prefer ANSI over full on/off contrast measurements. Yet he only gives specs for full on/off....
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post #57 of 1639
11/19/08 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by SF-1 View Post

Hey guys,

This is my first post and I would like to say thanks to AVS and it's members for providing great information and input regarding everything HT. I have been researching projectors for the past two years and finally decided to make the purchase. I tried the Epson HC720 last month(I couldn't refuse the offer), but returned it after reading all of the improvements Epson was incorporating into this year's new models(chassis, lamp, etc). The HC720 is a great projector and I wish the best to it's owners.

So now for the HC6100. I picked up the projector tonight from BB but I won't have it setup until tomorrow. FYI - if you're using the BB website to determine if a location in your area has the projector in-stock, then call the store(the website only shows in-stock quantity if that particular store has more than five units). I will provide some feedback following a decent amount of viewing time as well as a comparision to the HC720. Please also let me know if you guys need any questions answered or info confirmed about the projector.


Scott

Well?
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post #58 of 1639
11/20/08 at 7:04am
My dad has been bothering me over this projector (Epson HC6100) as he plans on purchasing it later this month. I have had little to no experience with projectors, and I was looking for help before he makes a purchase that may not fully satisfy him. Please keep in mind that he is not, nor ever will be, up-to-date on anything having to do with electronics. He would be the kind of customer that listens to each and every B&M salesman and take them for their word. So, I am trying to educate myself about this projector, so to be with him during the purchase. Here are my questions/worries:

1. He has crappy cable. He screws in a coaxial cable directly into his current HDTV (Sony KDS60A3000), and his service is horrible in regards to HD channel offerings (5 total HD channels). I have tried to get him to consider DISH or DIRECTV, but he won't pull the trigger. His local cable company has digital cable boxes, but in order to view HD channels the box has to be turned off. So, is there even anyway for him to watch HD Channels on this projector? The cable boxes have no HDMI, DVI, or VGA connections...

2. He wants to mount the projector 14 feet, or so from his wall and have a 100+ inch screen. How would the picture quality look for this? He paid for a CC firedog person to come out to quote him on a price and he told him that he could have a "stunning" 100-120" picture from a mounting distance of 14'. I have looked at other sites and their recommendations seem to contradict that statement. How far should his projector be from his screen to achieve a 100" without looking bad?

3. Sound problems: He has an Onkyo surround sound HTIB, but it's a bit older and doesn't pass audio through HDMI. The firedog employee told him that it would do so, but I could not get it to go after connecting my PS3 for a test. I had to run an optical cable from the PS3. So, audio-wise, does anything have to connect to the projector? I don't see where this has an optical out anywhere. I'm assuming that I will just run audio from dvd/blu-ray/cable box to the receiver via optical and/or other cables (minus HDMI).

4. Projector quality: I know that this is a new projector, but how would you all rate the quality (potential) of the picture. I'm assuming that he expects it to have the same picture quality (HD wise) as his Sony SXRD rear projection - only at 100+ inches. Is this even feasible? Also, should he expect SD programming to look about the same as it does on his current HDTV?

Sorry to have written so much about this, but I don't want him to make a mistake on this. And, also sorry if I post this in a wrong forum, but I am trying to get as much input as I can.

Thanks to any and all for your help - OC
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post #59 of 1639
11/20/08 at 7:45am
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My dad has been bothering me over this projector (Epson HC6100) as he plans on purchasing it later this month. I have had little to no experience with projectors, and I was looking for help before he makes a purchase that may not fully satisfy him. Please keep in mind that he is not, nor ever will be, up-to-date on anything having to do with electronics. He would be the kind of customer that listens to each and every B&M salesman and take them for their word. So, I am trying to educate myself about this projector, so to be with him during the purchase. Here are my questions/worries:

1. He has crappy cable. He screws in a coaxial cable directly into his current HDTV (Sony KDS60A3000), and his service is horrible in regards to HD channel offerings (5 total HD channels). I have tried to get him to consider DISH or DIRECTV, but he won't pull the trigger. His local cable company has digital cable boxes, but in order to view HD channels the box has to be turned off. So, is there even anyway for him to watch HD Channels on this projector? The cable boxes have no HDMI, DVI, or VGA connections...

2. He wants to mount the projector 14 feet, or so from his wall and have a 100+ inch screen. How would the picture quality look for this? He paid for a CC firedog person to come out to quote him on a price and he told him that he could have a "stunning" 100-120" picture from a mounting distance of 14'. I have looked at other sites and their recommendations seem to contradict that statement. How far should his projector be from his screen to achieve a 100" without looking bad?

3. Sound problems: He has an Onkyo surround sound HTIB, but it’s a bit older and doesn't pass audio through HDMI. The firedog employee told him that it would do so, but I could not get it to go after connecting my PS3 for a test. I had to run an optical cable from the PS3. So, audio-wise, does anything have to connect to the projector? I don't see where this has an optical out anywhere. I'm assuming that I will just run audio from dvd/blu-ray/cable box to the receiver via optical and/or other cables (minus HDMI).

4. Projector quality: I know that this is a new projector, but how would you all rate the quality (potential) of the picture. I’m assuming that he expects it to have the same picture quality (HD wise) as his Sony SXRD rear projection – only at 100+ inches. Is this even feasible? Also, should he expect SD programming to look about the same as it does on his current HDTV?

Sorry to have written so much about this, but I don’t want him to make a mistake on this. And, also sorry if I post this in a wrong forum, but I am trying to get as much input as I can.

Thanks to any and all for your help - OC

1) You will need at least component outputs on that cable box. You cant use a coax cable at all.

2) 14 feet is an excellent distance.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epso...ulator-pro.htm

3) The projector wont have any sound connectors at all

4) That depends. Other aspects of your room have to be taken into account, ambient light, wall color, screen. It can look as good or better than your RPTV with HD, the picture will definitely be extremely good. Assuming you set it up right you will be extremely impressed.

SD will look worse. You are taking low res source and blowing it up to a bigger size. It will be fuzzier.
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post #60 of 1639
11/20/08 at 7:56am
COncerning #1. It sounds like you have gone back in time 5 years . I have DirectTV, but had cable a year ago. I cannot believe his digital cable box doesn't have more than 5 channels, unless these are just locals and he only has the basic package. I also can't believe he must turn the box off to watch these channels. Sounds like you need the cable guy to come out and check out your box, but I suspect he is not doing something right.

To see HDTV, you must output via a component video, DVI, or HDMI cable. Every current projector will accept HDMI and component video. A true digital cable box will at least have a component video output.

2. The Firedog guy was right, here. I have my 4 yr old projector mounted 13' from my 100" screen. That distance will work for most projectors available now. For the Epson 6100, that should be a good distance.

3. Sound wise, nothing needs to connect to the projector. The video can get there with most any kind of video cable. The audio only needs to get as far as the receiver. This can be done with an optical cable.

4. If you can't get picture quality at least to HDTV level, I would not recommend a projector. I used to watch 480i TV when I first got my projector, but it was not a pleasant experience. I preferred a smaller image for lower quality signals.

I can't personally vouch for the Epson 6100, but I am considering getting it for myself. It is on my short list.

leonp
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