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The Observers seem to have used Peter's activation of the machine to modified things such that he never survived. Walter attempts to save him but Peter drowns in the attempt and therefore never grows to manhood. Walter's attempt does serve to cause the conflict between universes.

Olivia is also having dreams about him which she shares with Walter.

The Observers task September (the Observer who started the problem) with the job of eliminating the traces of Peter. He creates a device and goes to the place where he would use it to presumably erase the "traces". Then chooses not to activate it.

At the end of the episode 4, entitled "Subject 9", Peter materializes, naked, above Reiden Lake, the place where Walter crossed over to the other universe to save him (it was frozen at the time) and in which he drowns when the attempt fails. A father and son are fishing when Peter drops into the water and they pull him out. He ends up in the custody of Fringe Division, who slowly come to trust him as he helps them over the next several episodes.

Olivia's regaining memories of the unedited timeline are presumably due to both Peter's presence and the evil Nina's dosing her with Cortexiphan for some scheme of Jones'.

He didn't die and he apparently lived on due to the strong feelings of the people who cared about him, principally Walter and Olivia. Olivia is apparently losing all memory of the edited timeline and will forget her relationship with Nina (who raised her and her sister in this timeline but not the other).

Well, at least that's what September told Peter.

Whether or not that's the truth (or even whether or not September believes it to be the truth) is as of yet undetermined.

Seems about as reasonable to me as any of the rest of this fantasy .

Oh, I'm not saying that it's not the truth. Just that I don't necessarily trust any of the Observers (and neither should Peter).

That's what I was afraid of, this is sounding more and more like Lost where the writers can't/won't think of a remotely logical reason to explain things. I have suspended my disbelief a lot for this show and have given up on it once or twice in the past when it got a little too crazy, but I think this is the last time. Thanks for the replies though everyone!

He's not alone.

Yes.


Blue Peter died the same as ever. Red Peter (our Peter) drowned in Reiden Lake after our Walter took him, when the Observer declined to save him from the ice.

The creation of the bridge between the universes has stopped the ongoing erosion in the Redverse, which has stopped the war. Walternate is more occupied by Jones' shapeshifters infiltrating his DOD than anything happening in the Blueverse.


Yes, but I don't know why these things are grouped together.


Peter believes that he is in an alternate universe (the Amberverse), where everything is mostly the same as the original universe (the Blueverse) except he never existed. Peter has been trying, until the revelation at the end of A Short Story About Love, to get home to the Blueverse and his Olivia.


I wouldn't say he died. He was erased from existence due to the change in history. Despite the new timeline, the Observers noted, as you point out, that "traces remain." September was then instructed to purge those traces from the timeline. He chose not to, and so Olivia's bond with Peter eventually grew strong enough to will him back into full existence.

The likely explanation for this (or as much of one as we're going to get) came in The End of All Things when they were using the video recording from Olivia's apartment and explained it as a palimpsest. The idea is that the new timeline is written over the old one; peel away the top layer, and beneath you will find the former timeline.

According to September's theory from A Short Story About Love, basically Olivia's connection to Peter, perhaps combined with her cortexiphan/universe crossing powers, allowed her to strip the new timeline away just enough for Peter to bleed through. This makes sense given how Olivia's powers have always been triggered or heightened by Peter. Now that process has been heightened by his return, it's stripping away her Amberverse memories and returning her mind to its Blueverse state.

It remains to be seen how this will affect Walter, Astrid, et al, but there's still seven episodes left. Perhaps the process will continue until we're right back where things were at the end of Season 3. More likely, Peter and Olivia will find some way to create a hybrid Greenverse, in which they will enjoy both Peter's continued existence and the healing of the rift between Red and Blue universes that the machine was able to accomplish.

and possibly due to the fact that September chose to not activate the timeline reset machine, which I assume was the device necessary to wipe Peter completely from the memories of everyone who knew him. I expect others will start to swing back to the original timeline too, in order of depth of feeling.

If she's not a shifter then how do they explain the robot arm? Did she volunteer to have her arm chopped off for the cause?

Another mystery is how Olivia is going to die. She states that very matter of factly in season 3, and September confirms it this season (though this Olivia did not live through the experience that gave her the revelation). Her death has to be key to how the series will be resolved.

Walter has already shown signs as well, although more in his actions/concern for Peter as opposed to wholesale memory re-installation.


I'm guessing David Robert Jones has that answer.

Radical, debatable, drastic change in story line that sunk (stunk) this season AFAIC.

I completely agree, the explanations in this last episode angered me greatly and the entire season's storyline has been poor to say the least. Time to remove this show from the DVR season pass again.

In another couple of months, it will be removed for all of us.

Then they can go back to their stupid kitchen cooking program, or whatever it was.

All those colored verses are confusing! Red...Blue..Amber...Green... The way I look at it is that there are two verses...Blue and Red. And two timelines; pre-Peter disappearance and post-Peter disappearance. Olivia is regaining her pre-Peter disappearance memories as will probably all members of the Blue universe when Olivia and Peter's powerful love is consummated in miracle baby. Not sure how it will all work out but if they go for the happy ending their love from two different universes (+ Cortexiphan + offspring) somehow heals the red-blue apocalyptic rift. And the Observers...well....my guess is after all this timeline manipulation..they disappear. Will never exist when a new future timeline (Matt calls it Greenverse) is written. And that is why they are adamant (other than September) to erase Peter.

From Entertainment Weekly's TV "Death Watch" list, updated yesterday:

Fringe: 1.7 rating. Status: We’ve been hearing Fringe was doomed — until this week. There’s renewed hope for a 13-episode “final season” pickup thanks to the modest performance of Alcatraz.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/03/29/sh...elled-fall-tv/

As much as I love Jorge Garcia and have mostly enjoyed ALCATRAZ, I'd be willing to see it die if it meant that somehow FRINGE got an extra 13 hours to wrap it all up. Plus, it frees up Garcia to return as the Massive Dynamic security guy/Walter's pot buddy.

Several of us have been saying that for a long time now, ever since 'Alcatraz' debuted to unimpressive numbers. I like the show, and wish one of the mindless procedurals or reality shows could be sacrificed instead (and 'Touch' looks like it's going to be another procedural dud), but I like 'Fringe' a whole lot more.

Oh great...as if there was need for more puzzling elements to this series? Let's throw in a cargo ship with a bunch of weird monsters in a cages! Why not?

The story is "evolving"

Ha, ha. I had a similar thought. "Cmon, now they're just messing with us for the fun of it."

So... not only did the events in this universe regarding the flying porcupine monster men happen differently... but they happened 4 years later?

I don't understand that part... why wouldn't this stuff have already happened in the new timeline?

It's an Ark.

Exactly. And it certainly suggests the end game that is afoot.

Debatable which episode was worse. This or last weeks.
Hopefully it will sink.

Talking about going way off track, might as well be a completely different series.

I have to say, I really enjoyed the episode. I have no issues at all with where the show has gone and is going. In fact, I love the fact that the 'band' is back together. The interplay between leads and emotional connections are key to the show...and they are back.

Next week's show looks like the end game is indeed afoot.

I thought that the episode was decent. The silliest thing about it was the idea that these massive creatures could be held aloft by their tiny little wings .

Well, you know what "they" say, it's not the size that counts...

Just like a Hummingbird? Yes the creature was large but unless you weighed it how would you really determine it's mass?

Flying porcupine, sure that's believable

Is anything on the show believable?