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"Spock" looked a lot better in the Enterprise interview than last nite. Must be the makeup.

With the way this series works, just because we saw Jones disappear like a vampire w/ a stake in the heart doesn't mean we won't somehow see him again.

I don't know exactly what happened to Jones, but one thing I remembered is that Jones originally died by getting sliced in half by Peter Bishop. And Jones essentially turned to ash on the same side that Peter sliced off. So maybe there's some correlation there? As to why he turned to ash I have no idea... or even why the beatdown he received was enough to kill him. Color me confused too.

Overall I was a little underwhelmed with this particular episode. Yeah it was cool to see Bell back but if this were the 2nd to the last episode ever, I would have been severely disappointed. Let's hope the season finale brings it all together (Bell, Jones, the universes, the Observers, etc.). Although I really don't see how it could.

I feel fairly certain that Jones is gone for good. (FYI, the actor is playing Professor Moriarty in the Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes movies).

Since there supposedly wasn't a second ending shot, next week is supposed to come to a conclusion intended to be a reasonably satisfying end to the series. It should be interesting .

More importantly, he portrays Lane Price on Mad Men.

True, but how is that more important ? He does get many more hours of work doing that, of course.

In the preview for part 2 of the season finale, Jessica Holt says, "This was a future he didn't foresee."

Jessica Holt was the woman that Olivia saved by reducing Jessica's temperature. I think this will be a significant event in part 2 of the season finale, but we will have to wait to find out what it really means.

I liked the Musak verison of Billy Idol's "Eyes Without a Face" at the beginning

Did anyone else think it was more than a little lame the way Olivia "moved" Peter like a puppet when he was fighting with Jones? I don't know--I just didn't buy it.

I thought I was a bit too convenient that she suddenly developed advanced telekinesis when in the past her control has been mostly technopathy.

It did look a bit stupid too. If Olivia had that amount of control it would probably have been easier just to take control of Jones.

More more importantly is that he is also the son of the actor Richard Harris.

They sound very alike. I'm amazed I never realized until last month.

We've seen her exercise control over electricity (electrokinesis) but not actually controlling electronics to make them do something specific that she wants them to do (like Micah in Heroes) which would be technopathy. She has that power to cross between universes and when she was a child she exhibited pyrokinesis in at least one instance, blasting a room while she huddled in a corner, terrified. Who knows what she can do? I think that they mostly just make her capabilities up as they go along .

Now that surprises me.

It reminded me of those dopey commercials for that Hugh Jackman boxing robot movie.

+1 What no love for " Alex " ? Yeah running Nimoy's name in the credits which run over the action and can't be avoided really kills the surprise. Did Jones get electrocuted before he went ashes to ashes?

Me too. Earlier on in the season we saw Olivia shoot Jones point blank to the face and it did nothing. He "rebuilt" his body on a subatomic level, if I recall. So how he just suddenly turned into ash after a fist fight is beyond me. Makes no sense.

In both time lines, Jones transports out of the German prison. And he suffers from the same side effect in both, the loss of molecular cohesion. Olivia shoots Jones in both time lines too. First, right before Peter cuts him in half in the Season 1 finale and again this season after she is held hostage and Jones is escaping through the portal. Both times the bullets pass right through him. So even though he looks better in this timeline, he is still unstable at the molecular level. And I saw it the same as acebreathe. I don't think he died from the beat down. The last punch knocks him down onto the cables for the transmitter and they show a shower of sparks. He was electrocuted and then his face disintegrates because he is unstable.

I don't recall him ever claiming to have rebuilt himself. The only thing I remember being discussed is when Peter first meets him while in the holding cell, Peter suggests that he recovered due to DNA grafts. Jones doesn't acknoledge Peter's guess one way or the other. I just assumed that was the same procedure the Asian shape shifter stole from the kidnapped ex-MD scientist that perfected the new shape shifters. And presumably, what Jones bartered with Col. Broyles to cure his son. But who knows, I doubt we will get an answer either way.

In the episode "The End Of All Things", Olivia tried preventing Jones from crossing the portal and shot him in the neck (I just assumed it was the face) which had no effect on him. Jones then said and I quote, "It seems there are some fringe benefits to having ones body reassembled on an atomic level". He never used the word "rebuilt", but "reassembled" pretty much means the exact same thing.

So again, how he crumbled after an electric shock baffles the mind when he was apparently impervious to bullets or resistant to conventional injury.

I don't know why that would be baffling.

You can shoot a lump of jell-o... and the bullet goes right through... but electrocute it, and the jell-o melts.

The electricity would disrupt his body's tenuous cohesion at the molecular level... a bullet would not.

I only take it as her abilities are finally developing into a usable state. How emotionally invested she is to that particular moment seems to be a strong contributing factor. When it comes to Peter (after falling in love with Peter), I suppose the possibilities are limitless, figuratively. Who knows...maybe they have been perfecting this in the bedroom all along? Of course, we would never be privy to the specifics...

Check me on something:

Blue Olivia received cortexiphan as a child. She displayed various uncontrolled abilities throughout her life.

Red Olivia never had cortexiphan.

We learned in S3 that Olivia's genetic makeup was permanently changed by the cortexiphan.

Amber Olivia also received cortexiphan as a child, but also recently was given more by Jones.

So these new manifestations could be the product of those "booster shots." As far as we know, she is the only person ever to be treated with cortexiphan as a child and again as an adult, right?

(Side note: I would hesitate to try to classify these new abilities as "classic" superpowers, like "the ability to absorb heat" or "the ability to control someone else's body." I'm getting more of a vibe of "the power to change reality," or the ability to "make it so." She may not be consciously deciding "I'm going to siphon off this thermal reaction" or "I'm going to take control of Peter's body," but rather "I want this woman to cool down" and "I want Peter to win this fight."

Just speculating out loud, here.

It makes sense to me!...except she did seem to take a pretty direct role in marionetting Peter's motions. That one is hard to explain in any other way than it looked.

Don't forget... our Olivia did get some boosters as an Adult in the old timeline. Pretty sure she had some to help her crossover to rescue Peter.

I know she used some to get back home when Alternate-Broyles was helping her to escape.

However, those other Cortexiphan-kids didn't get any as an adult (as far as we know) and many of them had issues as adults in the old timeline... but I guess not so much in the new timeline.

Basically, there are some yet-to-be-connected dots.

Was that cortexiphan, or more of the same drugs Walternate was using initially?

Even if it was, though, that edition of Olivia is not the one we're seeing now. Even if she has BluLivia's memories now, her body has a different history, one that not only includes the Florida experiments but also being raised by Nina. No telling what differences there might be.

We now know Olivia is the Kwisatz Haderach.

This is almost appropriate, since she should be able to navigate the paths of time as well or better than the Observers. And Cortexiphan is the Spice!

Definitely Cortexiphan... Walternate discovered it by interrogating Olivia...

I know it is a different Olivia now... but the question I was responding to was whether or not this incarnation was the only adult who ever got additional Cortexiphan boosters.

I've always read this thread to see what theories you guys have and what not, but I usually just sit back and enjoy the show. Since the 2nd half of season one, I haven't really had anything to complain about.

But this past episode was bad. It's like they flew through several episodes-worth of plot points, so it felt sort of like a jumbled mess. I usually just go along with what Walter says when he comes up with explanations, but for some reason I didn't buy it at all this time around. Combine that with the Real Steel puppetry, Olivia and Peter going to that location without backup (what the what?), and Alex and Walter's horrible B-movie action sequence, and I was laughing for all the wrong reasons.

Hopefully the next episode makes up for it. One bad episode out of dozens is pretty remarkable, but it sure would have been an assy way to close out the series.

Isn't the guy who plays Jones the same dude who plays the British chap partner at the ad agency on Mad Men?

Maybe the "Real Steel" was an extension of Nick Lane's powers. He had a rooftop full of folks standing on a ledge, basically under his control...

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