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post #5311 of 6444
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But this past episode was bad.

I guess you missed the one two or three weeks ago.
post #5312 of 6444
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Originally Posted by moob View Post

But this past episode was bad. It's like they flew through several episodes-worth of plot points, so it felt sort of like a jumbled mess. I usually just go along with what Walter says when he comes up with explanations, but for some reason I didn't buy it at all this time around. Combine that with the Real Steel puppetry, Olivia and Peter going to that location without backup (what the what?), and Alex and Walter's horrible B-movie action sequence, and I was laughing for all the wrong reasons.

Hopefully the next episode makes up for it. One bad episode out of dozens is pretty remarkable, but it sure would have been an assy way to close out the series.

They wrote these episodes with the very real possibility that they would be the end of the series, so they're trying to cover a lot of plot ground quickly. They could have paced it considerably better.
post #5313 of 6444
No doubt. I'm really glad we're getting a 5th season because this wouldn't have been a good penultimate episode.

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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

I guess you missed the one two or three weeks ago.

Which one was that? I don't remember any episode being bad.
post #5314 of 6444
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they're trying to cover a lot of plot ground quickly. They could have paced it considerably better.

Huge understatement.

moob; The one when they went into the future. There is/was so much in the present and the past thta should/could be covered, it was foolish to add more.
Most successful, long time series die simple because of the fact they run out of ideas. There is no shortages of story lines here.
post #5315 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

More importantly, he portrays Lane Price on Mad Men.

he'll always be Chuck Cedar from Mr Deeds
post #5316 of 6444
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

moob; The one when they went into the future. There is/was so much in the present and the past thta should/could be covered, it was foolish to add more.
Most successful, long time series die simple because of the fact they run out of ideas. There is no shortages of story lines here.

Well, I could see wanting them to focus on the plot threads already laid out, but that doesn't mean the episode wasn't good. Well, I liked it anyway.
post #5317 of 6444
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Originally Posted by moob View Post

Well, I could see wanting them to focus on the plot threads already laid out, but that doesn't mean the episode wasn't good. Well, I liked it anyway.

I agree. With all the unbelievable premises fans of this show are asked to accept, I didn't see the one-off episode as anything radical. In addition, it was done very well.
post #5318 of 6444
Bickering removed.

While critiques of a program are encouraged, repeated bashing serves no purpose. Keep it civil and keep it moving, please.
post #5319 of 6444
What the f is going on????
post #5320 of 6444
ZOMG...I'm having a brain-gasm from this episode!
post #5321 of 6444
Yeah, its a good one... glad its not the last one
post #5322 of 6444
Wasn't expecting to see a trailer for Prometheus!

At this rate, Katy Perry and Megan Fox may be lying together naked and kissing by 8:47 pm...
post #5323 of 6444
Seriously!!!! What the f is going
on????
post #5324 of 6444
...the mother of all tying the loose ends together episodes!
post #5325 of 6444
I dont suppose you're here for a sandwich hahaha
post #5326 of 6444
The "Olivia is the power source" thing was really weak. Olivia is giving off enough energy to punch holes in the universes but nothing is happening around her? The ship is at the center for no reason?

But thankfully the rest of the episode made up for it with some excellent scenes. The re-animator sequence was one of the freakiest things Ive seen on television in years. Just the simplest execution, but the independent eye movements was really, really weird.

I didn't see Walter plugging Olivia coming and pushing a bullet through someone's skull is not something you see often either. Even though we know she couldn't die before giving birth I was on the edge of my seat and Jackson and Noble really sold the emotion in that scene.

I also really loved the Astrid and Walter moment with the Red Vines. So from his wry smile can we assume that Walter has always known Astrid's name?

And the return of September filling in a loose end, new gun tech, a Devil's Trap borrowed from Supernatural and the warning from the future ...

I'm glad it's coming back next year because I really want to see the invasion unfold. as much ground as they covered in this episode the brief glimpse of the future a few weeks ago just wouldn't have been enough.
post #5327 of 6444
I would have been disappointed to have this be a series ending episode if that is originally how this was going to play out until they got the reprieve for a final season.

Honestly... while it technically ends some plotlines... it didn't explain anything in a palatable way.

Why was Bell the bad guy? Was the previous timeline's Bell also a bad guy?

Was this timeline's Walter a bad guy before the brain removal?

Was that really the goal of the ZFT from season one if Jones hadn't died?

Are we really done with the original timeline and the dangling plots from that reality?

Olivia is immortal as long as she doses herself with lots of Cortexiphan?

There's just so much that felt, to me, like a "take that" to the fans... There were good bits too, like the re-animation stuff... but I would have been disappointed to see the show end on this episode.

Then again, I gather we aren't going to answer any past episode stuff going forward either... I gather next season will be about averting the "Observer takeover" OR lead-up to it and then a jump back to 2036 to see how it all plays out.
post #5328 of 6444
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

Why was Bell the bad guy? Was the previous timeline's Bell also a bad guy?

Was this timeline's Walter a bad guy before the brain removal?

I wondered about Bell too until he elaborated. It seems that in this universe he was completely taken in by Walter's ideology and his terminal disease was the trigger to crazytown.

Walter removed parts of his brain in this universe for similar reasons as the original timeline. In the original timeline he didn't like who he was becoming and didn't want to see a repeat of the same mistake he made with Peter.

In this timeline he was so wracked with grief about losing Peter twice that he came up with the universe merge in a fit of anger at cosmic injustice. He didn't like who he was becoming or the plan he had created so he suffered the same surgery.
post #5329 of 6444
Pretty decent episode though I think that it'd been a bit anticlimactic as an end to the series, though it sort of ties things up. The misunderstanding and conflict with the red universe is over; they experienced some healing of the catastrophic effects of Walter's abduction of Peter (caused by September's mistake) while the bridge was open and there're no hard feelings. Olivia and Peter are having and baby and buying a home together.

I assume that they wouldn't have ended the episode with September's warning to Walter if they hadn't been renewed. Ending on a cliffhanger would have sucked big time.

Hopefully next season will quickly get to a few years in the future and we get to find out how they end up frozen in amber for 20 years, how the invasion from the future goes down in 2015 (a year before the apparent amber-ization), what Bell had to do with it and what he does to Olivia to get Walter so pissed off.

HDMe2, I don't understand why you're hung up on some of your questions. "Why was Bell the bad guy?" Huh? He was a megalomaniacal genius with delusions of godhood who apparently got some of his ideas from the pre-brain-modified Walter. Why care what would have been in the original timeline? Whatever it was will not now be. What bothers me is the machine; where'd it come from? I've heard people say that Walter creates it and hides the pieces of it in the past, but when does this happen? It seems so very deus ex machina.
post #5330 of 6444
OK great epi, but who was the person hanging in penny's?( the chick from Lost house?) I agree with the above posters there's lots of confusing loose ends, and just missing info in my opinion as to why Bells crazy plan..Sure now we know why exactly Walters brain was removed.But the observer not knowing he ever spoke to Olivia was strange. Hm, still found it very entertaining more so than allot of other shows on TV today..

Djoel
post #5331 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

OK great epi, but who was the person hanging in penny's?( the chick from Lost house?)

I don't understand. Do you mean September, stuck to the floor by the "stasis symbol"? (I loved Peter's quick solution to that ).
post #5332 of 6444
What I'm stuck on is the scene in the warehouse with Jessica...September made a comment like "I don't see how they would know about this tech"...I agree...maybe next season the showrunners will explain this a bit more...maybe the gun and "sticky thingy" on the floor are things that are created in the future to help fight against the Observers during the invasion...but if the "sticky thingy" can be defeated by rubbing it with a piece of wood that doesn't seem very effective...

Also I can't figure out why Jessica wanted to shoot September - was it because she knew the Observers were the enemy or to get Olivia upset enough to become activated?
post #5333 of 6444
Please tell me there wasn't a new Fringe tonight. I've been having problems with my DirecTV receiver and it didn't record any of my Friday shows.
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Please tell me there wasn't a new Fringe tonight. I've been having problems with my DirecTV receiver and it didn't record any of my Friday shows.

Season finale! Where were you?

Time to go to the internets, or wait a week for it to Hulu.
post #5335 of 6444
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Originally Posted by pdawg17 View Post

What I'm stuck on is the scene in the warehouse with Jessica...September made a comment like "I don't see how they would know about this tech"...I agree...maybe next season the showrunners will explain this a bit more...maybe the gun and "sticky thingy" on the floor are things that are created in the future to help fight against the Observers during the invasion...but if the "sticky thingy" can be defeated by rubbing it with a piece of wood that doesn't seem very effective...

Also I can't figure out why Jessica wanted to shoot September - was it because she knew the Observers were the enemy or to get Olivia upset enough to become activated?

Like the Devil's Trap on Supernatural, those caught within are unable to move so he couldn't erase the glyph.

I would agree with your thought that it was to provoke Olivia's reaction and output. Just like Jones Jessica was another chess piece Bell was willing to sacrifice for godhood.
post #5336 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

OK great epi, but who was the person hanging in penny's?( the chick from Lost house?) I agree with the above posters there's lots of confusing loose ends, and just missing info in my opinion as to why Bells crazy plan..Sure now we know why exactly Walters brain was removed.But the observer not knowing he ever spoke to Olivia was strange. Hm, still found it very entertaining more so than allot of other shows on TV today..

Djoel

He explained it to her though. He had not gone back yet to tell her that stuff at that point in time. How can you remember something that you didn't do yet. While the observers do know certain future events they do not know them all. Bell's plan was not foreseen either which is another reason why September didn't remember going back.

HD2 they shot 2 endings this was the renewal ending. I don't think they would leave it like that (IMO Olivia would have died instead of surviving the gunshot) if the show was canceled.
post #5337 of 6444
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Originally Posted by VisionOn View Post

Season finale! Where were you?

Time to go to the internets, or wait a week for it to Hulu.

Lol. I can't believe the one night my DVR doesn't record the shows, it's the season finale of Fringe. I just have to shake my head. Looks like I'll be watching it on my computer in a week.
post #5338 of 6444
Wow. Quite possibly the best of the season? Wow.
post #5339 of 6444
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Originally Posted by Ph8te View Post

He explained it to her though. He had not gone back yet to tell her that stuff at that point in time. How can you remember something that you didn't do yet. While the observers do know certain future events they do not know them all. Bell's plan was not foreseen either which is another reason why September didn't remember going back.

HD2 they shot 2 endings this was the renewal ending. I don't think they would leave it like that (IMO Olivia would have died instead of surviving the gunshot) if the show was canceled.

But they specifically said they did NOT shot two different endings.
post #5340 of 6444
Bell goes from good guy to bad guy in two episodes and then disappears? I bet he will be back next season. They surely exited him awfully fast, just like Jones (that I still don't understand).

Loved that redhead fox with the arsenal, but just how does one redirect bullets (whatever they were) from ones hand back to were they came from?

All of Olivia's powers are now gone?? Are we sure she's pregnant by Peter?

I assume the "they are coming" comment related to that 'look in the future' past episode? I thought these "Observers" were the good guys.
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