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Charles R is it telling us what we've already seen, or stuff that has yet to come??? I wont read it if it has what will come of her characer, if anything.....but if it jsut talks about the death scene Id be ok with that....

Shes usually doesnt come on those missions, the only time you saw her in the past out in the field was escorting\assisting Walter. Even in the future she keeps her role ;-)

This is where your fault lies :P
By watching other shows kill off main characters, Ive found it much easier to let them "go"....Youve beecome infatuated with the acress and not the character, and this "early" is actually perfect as most people would have no connection to her. Her death actually can be the emotional catalyst that drives the others to be more forceful in thier actions.....

Observers do not understand emotions, even afer all this time being in control, the lead Observer however, I agree may bring her back, but that is a long shot and I have a feeling this show will NOT have a "dark" ending which it should if they use her to get the other members of the Fringe team and resistence....

It's just Georgina Haig and an interviewer analyzing her character's part in the story and the significance of her death and how she felt about it; nothing more than what we do here, except that she talks about things from the casts' point of view.

What if...

The Observers are from the future of the red universe...not the blue universe... that opens some doors for possibilities.

also..

What if... all the previous fringe events were done for the same reason Walter said they will now be doing them...

We know many fringe events were the result of people following the "manifesto" of the First People... so perhaps that was the goal all along... derail the Observers takeover... so maybe the bad guys were trying to be good guys all along.

There is a sneaky way to actually tie everything all the way back to season 1 into a neat bow here this final season.

I don't think Fringe will have a dark ending, and bringing her back will be part of the sweetness and light. And of course I'm infatuated with Georgina Haig - she's just my type. But I still don't think it works well to kill her right now and have that be the end of her part in the play. I understand the difference between lust and literature. And so what if I'm wrong? I've written dozens of alternate Fringe scenes in my head. This will be just one more.

"Captain Windmark" (the lead observer) notices the just-about-to-detonate-antimatter-baton and is shown to have teleported to a spot some distance from the explosion, but he's by himself, apparently the sole survivor of those who were gathered around Etta's body. Etta's body wasn't with him, so how's he going to bring her back?

Had they shown him with her body, everybody would have known she was going to return, instead of just me. And we've seen that they don't teleport. They simply move at super-human speed. He had two whole seconds - plenty of time to ditch Etta and move to a spot where he could look mysteriously off into the distance. Remember, "It's Fringe. Anything can happen." (I'm quoting Georgina Haig.)

How have we seen that they don't teleport? In the scene where they collect September from Walter's lab, the slowed down video playback doesn't show them running into the room and running out of it--they just appear, pick him up and disappear. September's bleeding and near death in a scene in a theater where he tells Olivia that in all the possible futures he can see she dies and he disappears. Difficult to believe that in his shape he just runs away. Personally, I think that they can move themselves to anywhere in time and space which won't create a paradox.

EDIT: I just watched that magically slowed down sequence again (there is no more information in 12 or 30 fps nanny-cam video than can be discerned in the individual frames ). Two observers appear side by side across from the tables where Peter and September are, walk over to the table with September (they kind of disappear from where they started and end up there) "gradually" stand September up then seem to exit with him from the back of the room. Inasmuch as it doesn't show them actually entering the room whether they teleported or not is inconclusive. But if you're coming to apprehend people and they did in this episode, why super-speed into their presence only to stop, appear and let them shoot you down? Why not approach and disarm them at super-speed?
Edited by michaeltscott - 10/27/12 at 6:42pm

Such as it answers questions being asked here I think it qualifies as spoiler material. It does cover future episodes to a minor degree...

You and I apparently read very different interviews. Other than whatsherface being asked at the end whether her character would return in some fashion and basically neither confirming or denying it no specifics of future episodes are discussed.

I just watched the episode again. Here's a key line from the second of Walter's tapes about defeating the Observers: "First and foremost, you must accept the reversibility of all phenomena." Peter's going to latch onto that concept. OK, I'm done for a while.

I guess so. Based on this thread it answers a few questions such as...

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Whatever. I don't think that it's terribly spoilery but I may not be the most sensitive to such things.

I agree. Since it defines what (actually) happened I thought it might spoil some guessing.

Sorry, missed this edit.

I'll give you that their ability to teleport is inconclusive. Their ability to function at super-human speed has been shown several times over the seasons, usually by catching bullets in mid-air. They can also "walk through walls," probably like Superman, by vibrating so fast that they simply pass through solid matter. As to why they don't disarm people at super speed, that's an easy one. It's dull and leaves our heroes with no escape. It's the same reason Arnold Schwarzennegger can run through a courtyard and elude bullets from two dozen men wielding machine guns, as he neatly picks them off one at a time. The bad guys can't shoot straight, and the good guys can't miss, until the storyline dictates that it's time. If I weren't so willing to forgive such logical inconsistencies, I wouldn't be able to watch Fringe, or most action films for that matter. The Mythbusters would have a field day tearing Fringe apart. Not that they would, of course. I bet they're just as much fans as we are, and quite willing to suspend their disbelief, too.

I don't remember this scene ,,, which season/episode was it?
I know September was in Walter's lab once when he was shot. But I thought he put something in Peter's eye and walked out on his own.

About 22 minutes into Season 4, Episode 14 ("The End of All Things") Walter is attempting to treat a comatose September in his lab; he's dying from a gunshot wound and Walter can't stop it. Olivia's been abducted by David Robert Jones who's had a shapeshifter posing as Nina Sharp stealing Cortexiphan from storage at Massive Dynamic and dosing Olivia with it; he's trying to get her to use her power and turn on his little box of lights with her mind to determine whether he's succeeded in "activating" her. The other members of Fringe Division don't know how to find her, but they think that September might, so Walter works his magic to merge Peter's conscious with September's so he can ask him. At around 25 minutes Peter begins a meeting with September in his mind. September takes the opportunity to explain all the things he's done and their consequences; Peter just wants to know how to find Olivia. At around 31 minutes things start to fall apart in September's mind and Peter gets bounced out. He opens his eyes and is back in the lab with September having a seizure on the table next to him; Walter asks Astrid to prepare an injection but before he can administer it September appears to vanish and a little table full of medical instruments gets knocked over.

In the next episode ("A Short Story About Love") Walter reveals that he had a nanny-cam concealed in a teddy bear on a shelf which caught the action (he'd put it there to snoop on the maintenance staff). He gets some highly classified equipment from the government which can magically analyze the video and slow everything down, which shows two Observers blinking into the lab and removing September so quickly that no one can see them. He shows this to Peter at around 10 minutes into the episode; he's also seen something inserted into Peter's eye in the footage (though I can't see where that happens); Walter removes it to discover that it's a little lens with an address written on it.

All 4 completed seasons of Fringe are available as Amazon Prime Instant Video (in 720p w/DD 5.1 sound) which Amazon Prime members can view at no additional charge. (Episodes from this season are also available after they air, but only for purchase). I used these to review that. (I've been watching Fringe over from the beginning and have watched through to the 6th episode of the second season).

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Thank you Mike!

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That's not a spoiler, is it?

There are those who like to work them out for themselves who may not have gotten around to it yet.

That seems self-evident because as you said, we've seen numerous examples of their ability to jump from place and time. They even do it en masse in the park during the initial invasion.

Since they are not supernatural beings and everything they have is a product of their far future technology it's easy to explain why they don't just Flash around everywhere or blink into existence on top of their enemies. Their technology and energy is fallible. In order to appear they need a zone of non-interference so they don't accidentally merge with someone or something else and using acceleration drains them in some way.

I wouldn't be surprised if neutralizing their source of energy is the way to win. Maybe the beacons are transferring power from the source in the future to each of them until they have the capability to build something similar in the current year.

Bold move killing Etta. If we see her again I expect it will be by altering history or a glimpse of her in another universe. A finale in which Walter dies transferring Liv and Peter to be with her.

Spoilers are straightforward. I found out when I wrote one. Once the episode has aired, you're free to talk about anything that happened in it or the trailer for upcoming episodes at the end. It's always wise not to read a thread until it's aired in your time zone. Posting information from other sources (print, etc.) that reveal upcoming events is not allowed. The glyphs are in the episode, so I don't see that "translating" them constitutes a spoiler. Technically, I don't think you're supposed to reveal special guests who will appear in future eps, either, although it's a gray area. Personally, I love to find out those kinds of things. Another no-no is revealing what happened in a different thread than the one you're posting to, even if that episode has already aired. There's seems to be some sort of unwritten statute of limitations on that, but it's another gray area.

We can conjecture all we want, and that's what makes it fun for me. I guess a lot, and often wrongly. I love reading other people's thoughts, and they frequently help me see things more clearly (sometimes when I agree and sometimes when I don't).

Not sure how I feel about Etta being bumped off. I know it's hard to get invested in character that has only been around for a few episodes, but she was definitely the most interesting one in the group.

And what was the big deal about Olivia and Peter having the "correct" baby (i.e. getting rid of Henry) if you're just gonna write the kid out after like 5 episodes? Why was that such a driving force in the story if it comes to this end already?

Bingo. I think the plan has to do with reversing events and finding themselves back in the present.

Perhaps without Etta's contributions the revolution was bound to fail. After all, she's the one who got her parents, Walter and Astrid released from Amber.

+1. That's got to be the endgame. And it will involve sacrifice, probably Walter and/or Peter.

I think it is fairly obvious that the Observers can teleport.

Walter has a teleporter... it was used by the bad guy (forgot his name already) a couple of times in previous seasons, the first time was escaping from his jail cell!

No reason why guys from the future with advanced future-tech wouldn't have an even better teleporter.

Also, they are transporting through time and space to get to the past from their future anyway... so further evidence of being able to teleport exists.

Seems to me like they teleport into a place, then take a second or two to adjust and then they could zoom around fast... so if you can shoot them when they first arrive, you can take them out.

Why stop there? Reverse it all back, save the original Blue Peter and let Red Peter live as well... It would also have to do something to prevent the conditions for forming the Observers. And maybe stop Walter from playing God like Bell did...

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