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post #5851 of 6444
Just had a chance to watch the full episode last night. Couldn't help but notice the patches of red and blue on the floor of the pocket universe apartment complex.
post #5852 of 6444
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Also regarding the pocket universe...
It is entirely possible that you exit back to the timeframe where you entered.. So, the guy in there for 5 days... if he exited, he might exit 5 days from when he originally entered... except of course he is dead.
So... time passes differently there... and you can go in and be there a day... but during that day people from the future could come in and talk to you... and when each of you exit, you go back to your respective timeframes.
As a pocket universe, it could exist outside of conventional time.
That's the cleanest explanation I think.

Like that explaination. Makes sense.
post #5853 of 6444
Guys,
I never post here because I bow to your superior intellect, but I must say that the past several episodes have been some of the best sci-fi moments ever committed to tv or film and tonight's was perhaps the greatest of them all. I cannot wait to find out where this is going.
post #5854 of 6444
Yup here comes old baldy!!!
post #5855 of 6444
Before I watch tonight's episode, which I recorded earlier, I wanted to admit that like bpeacock, I, too, don't always have a totally clear memory of every episode (and certainly not a linear memory of how each episode has played out), of the entire series -- but this one has been SOOOOO GREAT -- i THINK IN MANY WAYS EVEN BETTER THAN LOST, THAT I MAY BUY THE WHOLE SERIES ONCE IT'S ALL AVAILABLE IN A BOX SET ON BLU-RAY... have yet to do that for ANY series).

Sooooo, when I suggested that Peter may be "morphing" into September, I didn't remember that it was September that had distracted his REAL father (Walternate) from finding the cure for his illness in the alternate universe. But even if it WAS, September was only OBSERVING at the time, not trying to deliberately distracte "Walternate" from finding the cure, so the fact that he did -- doubled with the fact that he then made a "cocksure" effort to ensure Walter was able to save Peter when he brought him across to OUR universe, COULD still hold up to my supposition that September could be Peter -- particularly if September, as with most Observerers, was doing things not so much for emotional reasons as for practical reasons -- in this case the practical reason being the saving of the human race, even though he knew that by saving "Peter" he'd end up creating the race of "Observers" who would eventually attempt to destroy it.

And thereby (if this turns out to be true) lies a real paradox, as he was not only saving a version of "himself," in a different form, much younger, but also possibly creating the very thing he was attempting to save his younger self and the human race from.

I also agree, however, that some sort of "bittersweet" ending with a different twist is equally as likely, although I can see dozens of differnt ways this scenario can end with bittersweet twists, as well.

Now, once more unto the breach...
Jeff

P.S. Thanks for the welcome back, Joe.
post #5856 of 6444
Three weeks? What the hell? What are they replacing it with after Thanksgiving? Is the Friday death slot in big demand all of a sudden?

Fairly low key episode, but with plenty of intrigue, gadgets and mystery to keep it going and once again, just amazing work from John Noble.

The irony now is that Walter is probably going to have to be the one to rescue Peter from the Observer tech and the same sense of hubris and misplaced faith in the path to victory that he is now afraid to return to. I expect pulling Peter off the same ledge of self-destruction will be the moment that keeps Walter grounded, just as Peter has done for him in years previous.

Like father, like son.
post #5857 of 6444
Fire up the laser, Agnes! Let's get that hand out of amber. (Gotta love it! After 5 seasons, Walter STILL can't get Astrid's name right -- and oh, YEAH, I concur with the folks at Entertainment Weekly, who keep bemoaning the fact that John Noble doesn't even get NOMINATED for an Emmy for his role.. he should have won at least one or two for it by now!)

Bellie you monster! It's not enough to be institutionalized, but he stole my record collection, as well!biggrin.gif
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Fire up the laser, Agnes! Let's get that hand out of amber. (Gotta love it! After 5 seasons, Walter STILL can't get Astrid's name right -- and oh, YEAH, I concur with the folks at Entertainment Weekly, who keep bemoaning the fact that John Noble doesn't even get NOMINATED for an Emmy for his role.. he should have won at least one or two for it by now!)
Bellie you monster! It's not enough to be institutionalized, but he stole my record collection, as well!biggrin.gif

Monster indeed!! Nabbing Walter's copy of The Man Who Sold the World, is without any doubt, grounds for termination with extreme prejudice... the nerve of the guy!
post #5859 of 6444
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Three weeks? What the hell? What are they replacing it with after Thanksgiving? Is the Friday death slot in big demand all of a sudden?
Fairly low key episode, but with plenty of intrigue, gadgets and mystery to keep it going and once again, just amazing work from John Noble.
The irony now is that Walter is probably going to have to be the one to rescue Peter from the Observer tech and the same sense of hubris and misplaced faith in the path to victory that he is now afraid to return to. I expect pulling Peter off the same ledge of self-destruction will be the moment that keeps Walter grounded, just as Peter has done for him in years previous.
Like father, like son.

I know thanksgiving\black Friday is next week which is a good one to "take off" as for the other two, I have no idea since theyll probably take a break the week of Christmas as thier "Winter Hiatus"...With only single digit episodes left, its saddens me that they are still doing this to the show......Even though I loved the tease of the battle between him and Widmark.


I agree that while it was all "low key" I was kept interested the entire epsiode. I though Josh did a great job of the transformation this week that occured. Not only is he gaining abilities, but his mannerisms and speach patterns are becoming more like them as well.Boble continues to be great at Walter, showing the conflict that is going on within with superb talent. One second he is caring walter, the next he is the cold calculating scientist of old. Was also nice to see the show call back with the flsh eating virus epsiode, whcih I have a feeling well seee more of since they opened Walters vault. What I am surprised (and I thought they mentioned this in passing, but that evades me at the moment) at is that they had the tech form season 1 to walk through matter, but alas since that was a different timeline it didnt happen here ;-)........
post #5860 of 6444
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Three weeks? What the hell? What are they replacing it with after Thanksgiving? Is the Friday death slot in big demand all of a sudden?.


If I had a dime for everytime you made me chuckle...smile.gif
post #5861 of 6444
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What I am surprised (and I thought they mentioned this in passing, but that evades me at the moment) at is that they had the tech form season 1 to walk through matter, but alas since that was a different timeline it didnt happen here ;-)........
It quite possibly did happen in this time line. The men using it were stealing pieces of Walter's teleportation device, which had been hidden in safe deposit boxes ( with which to spring David Robert Jones from a German prison), but that tech exposed those men to high levels of radiation.
post #5862 of 6444
OK The break is becasue of Thanksgiving and College Footbal, once it comes back we get 2 or 3 (cant find confirmation of either) then anotehr break for the final espiosdes wit the Finale on Feb 1.......
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Wiki has the remaining schedule.  December 7, 14, 21 then Jan 11, and apparently a two hour ending (episodes 12-13) on Jan 18.  So where did the Feb 1 finale come from?  Wiki has been known to be wrong, but it's usually pretty good for episode schedules.

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OK The break is becasue of Thanksgiving and College Footbal, once it comes back we get 2 or 3 (cant find confirmation of either) then anotehr break for the final espiosdes wit the Finale on Feb 1.......

11/23 - Christmas specials
11/30 - PAC-12 football championship
12/28 - repeat programming
01/04 - college football (Cotton Bowl)

1/18/13 (Fr.) 8:00 PM FOX (FR-512/513) Episode #12/13
1/11/13 (Fr.) 9:00 PM FOX (FR-511) Episode #11
12/21/12 (Fr.) 9:00 PM FOX (FR-510) Episode #10
12/14/12 (Fr.) 9:00 PM FOX (FR-509) Black Blotter
12/7/12 (Fr.) 9:00 PM FOX (FR-508) The Human Kind
post #5865 of 6444
At least they are airing a two hour finale block.
post #5866 of 6444
Spoilered in case I hit on some things... but the more I think this out... the more I think we are eventually headed to:
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The "ultimate solution" seems to me to be... The machine was first incorrectly used to destroy the redverse, which was revealed to be bad for the blueverse... they need each other... so then the machine was used to bridge them to heal the damage... but I believe the original intent of the machine was meant to prevent crossovers between the two universes in the first place. Not only because of the damage, but because I believe the Observers come from the Redverse future... without crossover capability, they could only invade their own past, not the Blueverse... and with the machine only intended to be used by Peter it would be assembled and used by Peter to block the crossovers.

Also... to prevent the other war between the universes... the ideal scenario is to also cure BOTH Peters... so there is a living Peter on both sides to operate the machine simultaneously and correctly as originally intended.

I may be way off base... but that seems to me the only way to really tie everything up and give a happy ending.

I have other theories, but that is the bird's eye view to me.
post #5867 of 6444
That's a legit theory, and I would love to see them tie the whole blue/red universe storylines together with this final season somehow...but I just get the feeling that that whole storyline has been "wrapped up" and we won't be revisiting it.

Which is a shame, b/c it was x10 more interesting than this Observer-centric season.
post #5868 of 6444
So how does Bellie and his Noah's ark of freaks fit in? Or was that just to kill time?
post #5869 of 6444
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So how does Bellie and his Noah's ark of freaks fit in? Or was that just to kill time?

Might have been brought out more, if they ahd more time, but since they only had one season, its probably dropped (much like the Red\Blu universe angle.....The Redverse itself was "taken apart" as was posted a few pages ago? The Red\Blu was closed whent he portal was closed and the Machine shut down....From all the interviews I have heard, they are purly focused on wrapping it up....
post #5870 of 6444
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Originally Posted by HDMe2 View Post

Spoilered in case I hit on some things... but the more I think this out... the more I think we are eventually headed to: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
The "ultimate solution" seems to me to be... The machine was first incorrectly used to destroy the redverse, which was revealed to be bad for the blueverse... they need each other... so then the machine was used to bridge them to heal the damage... but I believe the original intent of the machine was meant to prevent crossovers between the two universes in the first place. Not only because of the damage, but because I believe the Observers come from the Redverse future... without crossover capability, they could only invade their own past, not the Blueverse... and with the machine only intended to be used by Peter it would be assembled and used by Peter to block the crossovers.
Also... to prevent the other war between the universes... the ideal scenario is to also cure BOTH Peters... so there is a living Peter on both sides to operate the machine simultaneously and correctly as originally intended.
I may be way off base... but that seems to me the only way to really tie everything up and give a happy ending.
I have other theories, but that is the bird's eye view to me.


Even though I dont see that happening (I think that line is dead) its not a bad theory......The Machine creation was touched on in the comics, which counted as "canon" for the show. They are worth a read if you havent read them yet.....
post #5871 of 6444
HDMe2 you don't need to wrap your personal speculations in [SPOILER] tags--spoilers are facts about what's going to happen as revealed elsewhere by people closely involved in the show. What is this discussion about other than our observations and speculations?

I strongly doubt that the end has anything to do with the machine or blueverse/redverse stuff. I'll personally be disappointed if it does.
post #5872 of 6444
This is one of the few shows on television that I cannot see how it will unfold. Especially since every recent season has remade the world, been mostly a self-contained arc and produced on borrowed time.

As for Bell, the fourth season was the story of Redverse Bell and presented just one way his life could go. That was the end of his story.

Blueverse Bell is very handy this season, but we haven't seen how his story ends yet. Maybe he too has an army of evolutionary flying monkeys in storage that he thought too dangerous to use. They could be used to attack the Observers, thereby indirectly linking last season Bell with this season.
post #5873 of 6444
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As for Bell, the fourth season was the story of Redverse Bell and presented just one way his life could go. That was the end of his story.

Redverse Bell died when he was a very young man (like Blueverse Peter); he and Walternate never met or worked together at Harvard. Blueverse Bell crossed over and was living in the Redverse, unable to return because every crossing was weakening his physical body on a molecular level (or something like that).

I've been watching these over as Amazon Prime Instant Video since the beginning of the season; I'm about half way through season 4 and re-watched that stuff (the end of season 3) a couple of weeks ago.
post #5874 of 6444
Someone help me out. If Bell helped Walter develop his plan to defeat the Observers, where does that fall into the timeline for the last time we saw him on the boat in the season finale? Olivia was shot, Bell rang the...bell, and disappeared. Then comes back to help Walter and they end up in amber? And Walter cut off his hand? I've lost these events in my mind....

Secondly, several have the sentiment that this season is almost an epilogue or tagged on storyline just to have a 5th season. I'm not inclined to thing everything else has been wrapped up from the previous season, although they were told in such a way, they could have been, had the renewal not happened. I think they'll tie things back in ere the end.
post #5875 of 6444
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Redverse Bell died when he was a very young man (like Blueverse Peter); he and Walternate never met or worked together at Harvard. Blueverse Bell crossed over and was living in the Redverse, unable to return because every crossing was weakening his physical body on a molecular level (or something like that).

I thought that all changed with the timeline reset. Red Bell never died and Blue Bell faked his own death (car crash?) to reappear later in this story to be trapped in Amber.

Didn't Bell vaporize in the Redverse on the ship at the end of S4? If that's the case how can he still be alive as Bpeacock mentions?
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Someone help me out. If Bell helped Walter develop his plan to defeat the Observers, where does that fall into the timeline for the last time we saw him on the boat in the season finale? Olivia was shot, Bell rang the...bell, and disappeared. Then comes back to help Walter and they end up in amber? And Walter cut off his hand? I've lost these events in my mind....
Secondly, several have the sentiment that this season is almost an epilogue or tagged on storyline just to have a 5th season. I'm not inclined to thing everything else has been wrapped up from the previous season, although they were told in such a way, they could have been, had the renewal not happened. I think they'll tie things back in ere the end.

That was years after the vent we saw in the finale. They dont explain how Bell got back or where he went. As it was explained inthe past episode Bell turned on everyone and decided to join the Observers, he then played double agent and pretended to help the Fringe team and Walter all the while leading to the Observers surrounding them, to prevent capture, Walter Ambered everyone.


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I thought that all changed with the timeline reset. Red Bell never died and Blue Bell faked his own death (car crash?) to reappear later in this story to be trapped in Amber.
Didn't Bell vaporize in the Redverse on the ship at the end of S4? If that's the case how can he still be alive as Bpeacock mentions?

Nothing reset as far as Bell goes, he still died in the Redverse as that happenbed independent of any other storyline......Your getting your verses mixed up wink.gif The only storyline to really get effected by the "reset" were those in touch with Peter, it would be as they never met him, in the case of Red Bell, he died before knowing Peter, so he would still be dead
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I thought that all changed with the timeline reset. Red Bell never died and Blue Bell faked his own death (car crash?) to reappear later in this story to be trapped in Amber.

I don't think that's true. When is it that we learn that Red Bell lived in the new timeline?

Blue Bell didn't die in the changed timeline as he did before, helping them escape from their mission to rescue Peter at the end of season 2. (Apparently they still made that trip for some reason, unknowingly bringing Red Olivia back with them as a spy; Walter is still pissed at her for that and grumbles about it when they end up working with her in season 4. Of course it's possible that they abducted Blue Olivia and substituted the Red one some other way).
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Didn't Bell vaporize in the Redverse on the ship at the end of S4? If that's the case how can he still be alive as Bpeacock mentions?

He didn't vaporize; he compliments Walter on his cleverness in killing Olivia to stop his plan to destroy both universes to create a new one, then calmly rings a little desktop nautical bell that was in the room and vanishes (visually seeming to rapidly vibrate as it happens). I saw that as an escape and not some sort of suicide. The ship that he was operating from had crossed from the Blueverse to the Redverse because it was at the epicenter of the storm that was tearing the universes apart; Peter, native of the Redverse, can see it but no one else can (the ship transitions to the Blueverse when Olivia falls dead).
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So Bell left the boat in much the same way The Observers travel through time?
post #5879 of 6444
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So Bell left the boat in much the same way The Observers travel through time?

I think you might have hit on something there.

One of the unresolved season four plot points is who brought the anti-observer guns and glyphs back from the future which surprised September at their presence.

If Bell was working for the Observers as Walter suggested this week he could very well have been either aided by Windmark or used their technology to jump to the future and back.
post #5880 of 6444
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He didn't vaporize; he compliments Walter on his cleverness in killing Olivia to stop his plan to destroy both universes to create a new one, then calmly rings a little desktop nautical bell that was in the room and vanishes (visually seeming to rapidly vibrate as it happens). I saw that as an escape and not some sort of suicide.

I remember the bell now. If he was too weak to cross universes again then it must have had another effect. Didn't the bell store his soul or something in a previous season?

Honestly, now that you've explained the mistake I made I am really confused now. It was much more clear when I was wrong!

Nimoy has to make a guest appearance now just for some exposition.
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